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Which of the following do you want to keep post-Brexit

Freedom of Movement
31
13%
Single Market Access
62
25%
Both of the Above
102
41%
Neither of the Above
53
21%
 
Total votes : 248

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Postby South Park Labourite » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:30 pm

Sheesh, and I thought I had authoritarian tendencies.
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Postby The One True Benxboro Empire » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:32 pm

South Park Labourite wrote:Sheesh, and I thought I had authoritarian tendencies.

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Postby Lamadia 2016 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:34 pm

The One True Benxboro Empire wrote:
South Park Labourite wrote:Sheesh, and I thought I had authoritarian tendencies.

Like a colony of ants, the United Hivemind of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will seek out and destroy all traitors and foreigners.

You think my intention to destroy terrorist organisations operating abroad is a bad thing?
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Postby South Park Labourite » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:35 pm

The One True Benxboro Empire wrote:
South Park Labourite wrote:Sheesh, and I thought I had authoritarian tendencies.

Like a colony of ants, the United Hivemind of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will seek out and destroy all traitors and foreigners.

Aye, and with me as traitor-in-chief she is currently throwing a hissy fit about why she got a longer than time then me. I wonder if she went to the same school as Kim-Jong-Un.
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Postby The One True Benxboro Empire » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:35 pm

Lamadia 2016 wrote:
The One True Benxboro Empire wrote:Like a colony of ants, the United Hivemind of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will seek out and destroy all traitors and foreigners.

You think my intention to destroy terrorist organisations operating abroad is a bad thing?

No.
I find it remarkably similar to the behavior of eusocial insects, however.
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Karamiko wrote:They don't actually believe the things they say or do, they're just doing it to show how terrible theocracies are.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:36 pm

Lamadia 2016 wrote:British ISIS member wants to come home; feels ‘homesick’.
Absolutely reasonable, of course. The man was depressed, unhappy, misses his family, misses his home. He doesn’t want to be a terrorist anymore; he doesn’t want to execute any more homosexuals, stone any more women, blow up any more hospitals. Which is why I absolutely advocate sending a jet to go an collect him, bring him back to the UK, set up a red carpet & a welcoming party on the runway- with a brass band, and maybe even balloons!
And then, of course, as he descends the steps to the ‘welcome home’ signs, police officers step out of the crowds and shoot him down with a sub-automatic weapon. An absolute tribute to the ‘poor, depressed English teacher’ who just wants to ‘come home’.
This is absolutely ridiculous. The very notion that we should accept and reintegrate these monsters back into society is a farce, and is something the British public will not swallow. Men, and women, who conduct criminal terrorist acts in the name of a twisted and misinterpreted faith, who condemn innocent people to death in the most barbaric means possible, and who pledge to wipe out own societies off the face of the earth, have no place in the West, and must be eradicated. My first action as Prime Minister would be to authorise the extrajudicial killings of UK-born terrorists operating abroad, and to establish a special intelligence committee responsible for tracking anybody with terror links and compiling the appropriate evidence to prosecute, or indeed terminate, them to minimise the risk to the British public.
No negotiation, no sympathy. We must smash terrorism.


We tried that in NI. Didn't work.

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Postby Lamadia 2016 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:37 pm

South Park Labourite wrote:Sheesh, and I thought I had authoritarian tendencies.

No, you just use aggressive, rude, and arguably misogynistic terms to women.
Now hush, put me back on block like the moderators told you to.
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Postby South Park Labourite » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:38 pm

I can't read your posts if that's addressed to me Lamadia, you're on my block list.
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Postby The One True Benxboro Empire » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:39 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Lamadia 2016 wrote:British ISIS member wants to come home; feels ‘homesick’.
Absolutely reasonable, of course. The man was depressed, unhappy, misses his family, misses his home. He doesn’t want to be a terrorist anymore; he doesn’t want to execute any more homosexuals, stone any more women, blow up any more hospitals. Which is why I absolutely advocate sending a jet to go an collect him, bring him back to the UK, set up a red carpet & a welcoming party on the runway- with a brass band, and maybe even balloons!
And then, of course, as he descends the steps to the ‘welcome home’ signs, police officers step out of the crowds and shoot him down with a sub-automatic weapon. An absolute tribute to the ‘poor, depressed English teacher’ who just wants to ‘come home’.
This is absolutely ridiculous. The very notion that we should accept and reintegrate these monsters back into society is a farce, and is something the British public will not swallow. Men, and women, who conduct criminal terrorist acts in the name of a twisted and misinterpreted faith, who condemn innocent people to death in the most barbaric means possible, and who pledge to wipe out own societies off the face of the earth, have no place in the West, and must be eradicated. My first action as Prime Minister would be to authorise the extrajudicial killings of UK-born terrorists operating abroad, and to establish a special intelligence committee responsible for tracking anybody with terror links and compiling the appropriate evidence to prosecute, or indeed terminate, them to minimise the risk to the British public.
No negotiation, no sympathy. We must smash terrorism.


We tried that in NI. Didn't work.

Well, it's not part of the UK so it's not like her parents will have to pay taxes on its' securing for the rest of their lives.
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Karamiko wrote:They don't actually believe the things they say or do, they're just doing it to show how terrible theocracies are.

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Postby South Park Labourite » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:42 pm

The One True Benxboro Empire wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
We tried that in NI. Didn't work.

Well, it's not part of the UK so it's not like her parents will have to pay taxes on its' securing for the rest of their lives.

Don't mention taxes, you'll trigger her.
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Postby The One True Benxboro Empire » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:44 pm

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The One True Benxboro Empire wrote:Well, it's not part of the UK so it's not like her parents will have to pay taxes on its' securing for the rest of their lives.

Don't mention taxes, you'll trigger her.

I had no idea that first-world countries could still make mention of the word "tax" traumatizing.
I imagined that in places where taxation would be taken with direct and gruesome violence this would be more common.
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Skyhooked wrote:They are Owrellian already. Only thing, instead of screens there are preachers.

Karamiko wrote:They don't actually believe the things they say or do, they're just doing it to show how terrible theocracies are.

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Postby Lamadia 2016 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:44 pm

Absolutely no debate- it's laughable.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:45 pm

Lamadia 2016 wrote:
South Park Labourite wrote:Sheesh, and I thought I had authoritarian tendencies.

No, you just use aggressive, rude, and arguably misogynistic terms to women.
Now hush, put me back on block like the moderators told you to.


So what's your opinion on mens gender isssues Lamadia? Do you agree with me that the conservative party is our best bet for solving them?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:46 pm

Lamadia 2016 wrote:Absolutely no debate- it's laughable.


You think the military options in NI actually worked?

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Postby South Park Labourite » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:47 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Lamadia 2016 wrote:No, you just use aggressive, rude, and arguably misogynistic terms to women.
Now hush, put me back on block like the moderators told you to.


So what's your opinion on mens gender isssues Lamadia? Do you agree with me that the conservative party is our best bet for solving them?

No she doesn't believe in gender issues, but you have to respect her authority cause moneys. She's like gold dust and her entitlement means she can treat the rest of us like dirt.
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Postby Lamadia 2016 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:48 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Lamadia 2016 wrote:Absolutely no debate- it's laughable.


You think the military options in NI actually worked?

You think a domestic war against what is arguably a militia is comparable to a massive terrorist organisation with substantial land & resources in a large part of Iraq, Syria & other areas?
I don't. Neither does the Government, because we didn't conduct airstrikes on small terrace houses in Belfast- we do bomb targets, however, in the Mid. East.
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Postby South Park Labourite » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:48 pm

The One True Benxboro Empire wrote:
South Park Labourite wrote:Don't mention taxes, you'll trigger her.

I had no idea that first-world countries could still make mention of the word "tax" traumatizing.
I imagined that in places where taxation would be taken with direct and gruesome violence this would be more common.

According to her taxation is discrimination against the wealthy.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:49 pm

South Park Labourite wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
So what's your opinion on mens gender isssues Lamadia? Do you agree with me that the conservative party is our best bet for solving them?

No she doesn't believe in gender issues, but you have to respect her authority cause moneys. She's like gold dust and her entitlement means she can treat the rest of us like dirt.


She brought up misogyny, so i'm just curious. I'd rather have her response.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:49 pm

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The One True Benxboro Empire wrote:I had no idea that first-world countries could still make mention of the word "tax" traumatizing.
I imagined that in places where taxation would be taken with direct and gruesome violence this would be more common.

According to her taxation is discrimination against the wealthy.


I think she'd prefer tax over the French approach. :)
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Postby South Park Labourite » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:49 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
South Park Labourite wrote:No she doesn't believe in gender issues, but you have to respect her authority cause moneys. She's like gold dust and her entitlement means she can treat the rest of us like dirt.


She brought up misogyny, so i'm just curious. I'd rather have her response.

She's not a feminist, she's just appropriating the language of the movement for her self-benefit.
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Postby South Park Labourite » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:51 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
South Park Labourite wrote:According to her taxation is discrimination against the wealthy.


I think she'd prefer tax over the French approach. :)

I'm more partial to collectivising Virginia Waters, but that's just me.
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Postby The One True Benxboro Empire » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:51 pm

South Park Labourite wrote:
The One True Benxboro Empire wrote:I had no idea that first-world countries could still make mention of the word "tax" traumatizing.
I imagined that in places where taxation would be taken with direct and gruesome violence this would be more common.

According to her taxation is discrimination against the wealthy.

Progressive tax, maybe. They do pay more. Discrimination isn't always unjustified (or wrongly justified) in my opinion, but often has been so.
But taxes in general? Of course you treat someone with stuff to be taxed "worse" than someone with nothing at all, unless you think that the modern equivalent of the proletarius ought to be subject to a corvee or the enslaving of their children to be of use to the state.
Lamadia 2016 wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
You think the military options in NI actually worked?

You think a domestic war against what is arguably a militia is comparable to a massive terrorist organisation with substantial land & resources in a large part of Iraq, Syria & other areas?
I don't. Neither does the Government, because we didn't conduct airstrikes on small terrace houses in Belfast- we do bomb targets, however, in the Mid. East.

ISIS's natural state is similar to that of the IRA in NI. It just got lucky this time around with failing states.
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Skyhooked wrote:They are Owrellian already. Only thing, instead of screens there are preachers.

Karamiko wrote:They don't actually believe the things they say or do, they're just doing it to show how terrible theocracies are.

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Postby The One True Benxboro Empire » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:52 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Lamadia 2016 wrote:No, you just use aggressive, rude, and arguably misogynistic terms to women.
Now hush, put me back on block like the moderators told you to.


So what's your opinion on mens gender isssues Lamadia? Do you agree with me that the conservative party is our best bet for solving them?

Probably is, alas.
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Skyhooked wrote:They are Owrellian already. Only thing, instead of screens there are preachers.

Karamiko wrote:They don't actually believe the things they say or do, they're just doing it to show how terrible theocracies are.

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Postby Lamadia 2016 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:54 pm

South Park Labourite wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
She brought up misogyny, so i'm just curious. I'd rather have her response.

She's not a feminist, she's just appropriating the language of the movement for her self-benefit.

Absolutely 100% correct.
Or rather, I reported the use of 'bitch' as a slur held by some as a misogynistic term. Personally I see the modern western feminist movement as an entitlement group- something striving for better treatment, rather than equal. With substantial evidence against the wage gap, as well as statistics which show equal female success in areas where there is a heavy woman presence, I view the entire thing as a whiny farce.
The One True Benxboro Empire wrote:
South Park Labourite wrote:According to her taxation is discrimination against the wealthy.

Progressive tax, maybe. They do pay more. Discrimination isn't always unjustified (or wrongly justified) in my opinion, but often has been so.
But taxes in general? Of course you treat someone with stuff to be taxed "worse" than someone with nothing at all, unless you think that the modern equivalent of the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletariat#Usage_in_the_Constitution_of_the_Roman_Republic]
ISIS's natural state is similar to that of the IRA in NI. It just got lucky this time around with failing states.

And because they got 'lucky', we have a different situation on our hands. Totally different to the one in Northern Ireland.
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Postby Souseiseki » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:56 pm

The One True Benxboro Empire wrote:Progressive tax, maybe. They do pay more. Discrimination isn't always unjustified (or wrongly justified) in my opinion, but often has been so.


with a few exceptions not related to a progressive tax everyone pays the same taxes. that most of the population pay £0 on their income over £100,000 is mostly irrelevant.
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