UK Politics Thread V: Upon This Blasted Heath

[The Huskar Social Union]

guyz world ain't the same as 30 years ago, we don't need Trident.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ic-9280747

Ok, they didn't have stuff they could fire and hit us in 13 minutes.

The super weapon is being designed specifically to sit atop Russia's new nation killer nuke Satan 2, which was unveiled last month.

Who names these things?

Some 12 year old in Vladivostok.

[Imperializt Russia]

guyz world ain't the same as 30 years ago, we don't need Trident.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ic-9280747

Ok, they didn't have stuff they could fire and hit us in 13 minutes.

The super weapon is being designed specifically to sit atop Russia's new nation killer nuke Satan 2, which was unveiled last month.

Who names these things?

I was pretty confident this was just the Mirror being shit and quoting shitty defence journals or something.

But wiki says it's the new NATO reporting name. I am deeply saddened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-28_Sarmat

[Ifreann]

Who names these things?

Also, I'm pretty sure that the nuke is not supposed to go underneath the rocket.

It's more likely that you think.

[Imperializt Russia]

Who names these things?

Also, I'm pretty sure that the nuke is not supposed to go underneath the rocket.

This is just their shitty writing being confusing.

They're calling the missile itself "the nuke" and the warhead (surely itself the "nuke") "super weapon".

Also NATO reporting names have apparently changed, and I don't like it.
It used to be that Fighter aircraft were all F, bombers were all B and if they were jet aircraft they got two-syllable words (hence why the prop-driven Tu-95 is known to the west as the Bear), and surface-surface missiles were S.
With Russia's new generation of ICBMs (SS-X-30 Satan 2, SS-X-31 Rubehz and SS-X-32Zh Barguzin), this has apparently broken down.
I assume they just stopped issuing the names for some reason, since SS-29, SS-X-31 and SS-X-32 are given this Russian names by wiki.

[Great Nepal]

I imagine so is the Welsh government.

You're leaping to "will prevent Brexit by any and all means", which I'm sure some Welsh MPs (and Scottish and English and Irish) honestly believe.
Most of them will probably be using this as leverage against the government to guarantee lost EU funding.

The general line throughout Labour is that we want Britain to remain in the single market whilst ending freedom of movement (impossible basically, though most of the public wants this fantasy too). Though there is a lot of squabbling about how exactly we should articulate this stance and also whether we keep freedom of movement (Corbyn and Abbott are for this, Lewis and Starmer against, McDonnell I'm not too sure).

Quite frankly given how entirely incompetent they've been since Brexit refendum, and have now literally resorted to copying what Tories want "just a bit lighter", and have entirely conceded the ground on immigration - labor can get fucked. Hopefully LibDem (despite Farron's willful pretend ignorance about second refendum unless Lib dem have got assurances from ECJ that A50 can be revoked half way through) can make strong showing in England, sufficient to unseat Labour as opposition and work with SNP and NI parties to frustrate the Tories.

[Salandriagado]

Also, I'm pretty sure that the nuke is not supposed to go underneath the rocket.

This is just their shitty writing being confusing.

They're calling the missile itself "the nuke" and the warhead (surely itself the "nuke") "super weapon".

But it's also referring to the missile as "super weapon", which is really confusing.

[Imperializt Russia]

This is just their shitty writing being confusing.

They're calling the missile itself "the nuke" and the warhead (surely itself the "nuke") "super weapon".

But it's also referring to the missile as "super weapon", which is really confusing.

It's bad defence journalism, but it'll never be "naval gun the size of a toothbrush wow lol the mod must be shit" tier bad defence journalism.

[Dooom35796821595]

But it's also referring to the missile as "super weapon", which is really confusing.

It's bad defence journalism, but it'll never be "naval gun the size of a toothbrush wow lol the mod must be shit" tier bad defence journalism.

A naval gun the size of a toothbrush? What was the editor doing, playing mass effect?

[Salandriagado]

It's bad defence journalism, but it'll never be "naval gun the size of a toothbrush wow lol the mod must be shit" tier bad defence journalism.

A naval gun the size of a toothbrush? What was the editor doing, playing mass effect?

No, they just got slightly confused by the exact meaning of the term "five inch gun".

[Philjia]

Who names these things?

I was pretty confident this was just the Mirror being shit and quoting shitty defence journals or something.

But wiki says it's the new NATO reporting name. I am deeply saddened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-28_Sarmat

What's next? LANDFUCKER? DEATH FROM ABOVE? APOCALYPTO? HOLY SHIT?

[Imperializt Russia]

I was pretty confident this was just the Mirror being shit and quoting shitty defence journals or something.

But wiki says it's the new NATO reporting name. I am deeply saddened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-28_Sarmat

What's next? LANDFUCKER? DEATH FROM ABOVE? APOCALYPTO? HOLY SHIT?

Like I said, if you scroll down to the "Russian missiles by NATO reporting name" list at the very bottom of the page, then the last four SS-class ballistic missiles seem to have no actual reporting name issued, just the code, and it lists either the Russian common name or in this case, "Satan 2" which I guess is there because it's popular.
Other missile types such as naval missile, ABM and air-to-surface missile also have the most recent entries without NATO names.

Satan was a scary name when SS-18 first came onto the scene (Clarkson made an SS-18 joke when they did the "best of communism" skit of Top Gear against May in the abandoned bunker), and because it's more or less one of SS-18's several direct replacements that supplement each other.

So I rest assured that NATO probably does not officially term it, "Satan 2".

[Great Nepal]

Not entirely related to UK politics, but since its sort of BBC; funded by UK government so totally going to count Calson in and therefore top gear is totally related here... We are watching the amazon's new series, and I have to say if this is what the team were capable of, BBC needs to loosen its editorial control wrt to comedy - in the first 15 mins they've spent like three teaching American audience about difference between gear and stick, bonnet and hood, and 4 by 4 and rubbish.

[MERIZoC]

guyz world ain't the same as 30 years ago, we don't need Trident.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ic-9280747

Ok, they didn't have stuff they could fire and hit us in 13 minutes.

The super weapon is being designed specifically to sit atop Russia's new nation killer nuke Satan 2, which was unveiled last month.

Who names these things?

Better question, are there any other kinds of nukes other than "killer nukes"?

[Imperializt Russia]

Not entirely related to UK politics, but since its sort of BBC; funded by UK government so totally going to count Calson in and therefore top gear is totally related here... We are watching the amazon's new series, and I have to say if this is what the team were capable of, BBC needs to loosen its editorial control wrt to comedy - in the first 15 mins they've spent like three teaching American audience about difference between gear and stick, bonnet and hood, and 4 by 4 and rubbish.

I wouldn't say the BBC necessarily had tight editorial control - by the late seasons it had clearly turned into "mucking about with cars in ridiculous ways - the TV show", such as when a Bentley Mulsanne was represented in an Albanian road trip by some ridiculous clunker.

What's more likely is that now they have a lot to live up to with a new show, they're making the most of a new starting point.

[Imperializt Russia]

Who names these things?

Better question, are there any other kinds of nukes other than "killer nukes"?

That's not anyone's point of contention, it's the use of ridiculous terms like "nation killer" (and I thought I was tired of "city killer") and somehow even more bizarrely, "Texas killer".

[Dooom35796821595]

Who names these things?

Better question, are there any other kinds of nukes other than "killer nukes"?

Broken nukes?

[Imperializt Russia]

We have/had sixty of those, allegedly.

Diversity!

[Souseiseki]

What's next? LANDFUCKER? DEATH FROM ABOVE? APOCALYPTO? HOLY SHIT?

Like I said, if you scroll down to the "Russian missiles by NATO reporting name" list at the very bottom of the page, then the last four SS-class ballistic missiles seem to have no actual reporting name issued, just the code, and it lists either the Russian common name or in this case, "Satan 2" which I guess is there because it's popular.
Other missile types such as naval missile, ABM and air-to-surface missile also have the most recent entries without NATO names.

Satan was a scary name when SS-18 first came onto the scene (Clarkson made an SS-18 joke when they did the "best of communism" skit of Top Gear against May in the abandoned bunker), and because it's more or less one of SS-18's several direct replacements that supplement each other.

So I rest assured that NATO probably does not officially term it, "Satan 2".

on the other hand brimstone and hellfire are totally official names for our own smaller missiles

[Imperializt Russia]

Those are technically marketing names from the manufacturers that obvious pass into common parlance amongst soldiers.

That said, I think the UK military may officially term Brimstone Brimstone - it also uses the designation, for various mods, SPEAR (acronym) and relating to that, Sea Spear.
I believe we use the American designation for Hellfire, which is AGM-114.

[Ifreann]

There needs to be a missile called a strongly worded letter.

[Dooom35796821595]

There needs to be a missile called a strongly worded letter.

I think those are manufactured and use don't solely by the UN.

[MERIZoC]

Better question, are there any other kinds of nukes other than "killer nukes"?

Broken nukes?

They're pretty big, one would probably kill someone if dropped on a building.

[Fartsniffage]

Those are technically marketing names from the manufacturers that obvious pass into common parlance amongst soldiers.

That said, I think the UK military may officially term Brimstone Brimstone - it also uses the designation, for various mods, SPEAR (acronym) and relating to that, Sea Spear.
I believe we use the American designation for Hellfire, which is AGM-114.

Fucking up someone's day; For the use of

[Hurdergaryp]

There needs to be a missile called a strongly worded letter.

Personally I think that Penetrator would be a swell name for a cruise missile.

[Lamadia 2016]

British ISIS member wants to come home; feels ‘homesick’.
Absolutely reasonable, of course. The man was depressed, unhappy, misses his family, misses his home. He doesn’t want to be a terrorist anymore; he doesn’t want to execute any more homosexuals, stone any more women, blow up any more hospitals. Which is why I absolutely advocate sending a jet to go an collect him, bring him back to the UK, set up a red carpet & a welcoming party on the runway- with a brass band, and maybe even balloons!
And then, of course, as he descends the steps to the ‘welcome home’ signs, police officers step out of the crowds and shoot him down with a sub-automatic weapon. An absolute tribute to the ‘poor, depressed English teacher’ who just wants to ‘come home’.
This is absolutely ridiculous. The very notion that we should accept and reintegrate these monsters back into society is a farce, and is something the British public will not swallow. Men, and women, who conduct criminal terrorist acts in the name of a twisted and misinterpreted faith, who condemn innocent people to death in the most barbaric means possible, and who pledge to wipe out own societies off the face of the earth, have no place in the West, and must be eradicated. My first action as Prime Minister would be to authorise the extrajudicial killings of UK-born terrorists operating abroad, and to establish a special intelligence committee responsible for tracking anybody with terror links and compiling the appropriate evidence to prosecute, or indeed terminate, them to minimise the risk to the British public.
No negotiation, no sympathy. We must smash terrorism.