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Which of the following do you want to keep post-Brexit

Freedom of Movement
31
13%
Single Market Access
62
25%
Both of the Above
102
41%
Neither of the Above
53
21%
 
Total votes : 248

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:28 am

Salandriagado wrote:So, the EU is inexplicably proposing unilaterally giving us pretty much the best deal possible and then some. Jayne Adye, to the surprise of nobody who's ever heard of her, has decided that this is somehow discrimination. A particularly hilarious quote:

It is totally unacceptable for certain citizens in the UK to subject themselves to laws which are created by politicians who are not accountable the British people as a whole.


Yeah, no. People can subject themselves to whatever the hell laws they like (not that there actually are any EU laws that would actually directly effect most individuals living in the UK). In particular, many millions of people happily subject themselves to various religious laws, and I've signed legally binding documents subjecting myself to laws made by an international body a few dozen times this year.

Looks like certain pro-Brexit entities only believe in individual freedom when it suits their nefarious schemes.


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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:31 am

I would be surprised if it passed. But such a move is fine as it looks like a unilateral commitment at first glance if that really is all there is to it.
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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:33 am

Who is in favour of nuking Switzerland for the Toblerone travesty? I know I am.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:33 am

Napkiraly wrote:Who is in favour of nuking Switzerland for the Toblerone travesty? I know I am.

Damned Swiss and their grey hearts of neutrality!

Wait what travesty?
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Postby Even Less of Mackonia » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:37 am

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You don't actually have any points against Farage, do you? You just dislike him.


He's a racism promoting, vacuous, anti-intellectual, socially regressive windbag who wants to take Britain back to the 1930s. That enough for you?


Said the believer in human rights and democracy.

I swear I get banned for this sort of bants but whatever.
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Postby Freefall11111 » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:38 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Who is in favour of nuking Switzerland for the Toblerone travesty? I know I am.

Damned Swiss and their grey hearts of neutrality!

Wait what travesty?

This.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:40 am

Freefall11111 wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Damned Swiss and their grey hearts of neutrality!

Wait what travesty?

This.

Damn them the bastards, hang them for dissension!
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:44 am

Salandriagado wrote:So, the EU is inexplicably proposing unilaterally giving us pretty much the best deal possible and then some. Jayne Adye, to the surprise of nobody who's ever heard of her, has decided that this is somehow discrimination. A particularly hilarious quote:

It is totally unacceptable for certain citizens in the UK to subject themselves to laws which are created by politicians who are not accountable the British people as a whole.


Yeah, no. People can subject themselves to whatever the hell laws they like (not that there actually are any EU laws that would actually directly effect most individuals living in the UK). In particular, many millions of people happily subject themselves to various religious laws, and I've signed legally binding documents subjecting myself to laws made by an international body a few dozen times this year.


I am genuinely lost for words. Well, for the EU bit, the Brexit team reaction can eff off with a mega sizes Toblerone. :)
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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:44 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:This.

Damn them the bastards, hang them for dissension!

Make Stalin look like a pussy, Husk!

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Postby Mad hatters in jeans » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:53 am

Freefall11111 wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Damned Swiss and their grey hearts of neutrality!

Wait what travesty?

This.

What is this heresy.

Napkiraly wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Damn them the bastards, hang them for dissension!

Make Stalin look like a pussy, Husk!

Grab em by the Stalin.

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:57 am

Mad hatters in jeans wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:This.

What is this heresy.

The Brexit vote at work. It's the perfect visualization of the true meaning of "Brexit means Brexit".

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Napkiraly wrote:Make Stalin look like a pussy, Husk!

Grab em by the Stalin.

Purge, incinerate and cleanse until you're forced to ask the Dutch for a new royal house, because history tends to repeat itself.


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Postby Ifreann » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:26 pm

Napkiraly wrote:Who is in favour of nuking Switzerland for the Toblerone travesty? I know I am.

You can't fool us, Goldfinger, this is just a plan to make your own gold more valuable by irradiating the deposits in Switzerland.

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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:30 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Who is in favour of nuking Switzerland for the Toblerone travesty? I know I am.

You can't fool us, Goldfinger, this is just a plan to make your own gold more valuable by irradiating the deposits in Switzerland.

Image


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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:04 pm

Salandriagado wrote:So, the EU is inexplicably proposing unilaterally giving us pretty much the best deal possible and then some. Jayne Adye, to the surprise of nobody who's ever heard of her, has decided that this is somehow discrimination. A particularly hilarious quote:

It is totally unacceptable for certain citizens in the UK to subject themselves to laws which are created by politicians who are not accountable the British people as a whole.


Yeah, no. People can subject themselves to whatever the hell laws they like (not that there actually are any EU laws that would actually directly effect most individuals living in the UK). In particular, many millions of people happily subject themselves to various religious laws, and I've signed legally binding documents subjecting myself to laws made by an international body a few dozen times this year.

...Probably wont pass but definitely serves to boost opinion of EU vs UK; while one's sufficiently outwards looking and inclusive to seriously consider extending citizenship rights, the other actively takes steps to pull the drawbridge to create an insular nation unable or unwilling to provide assurance for even current migrants already here with an opposition who's too chicken and incompetent to even make a coherent statement to press.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:14 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:So, the EU is inexplicably proposing unilaterally giving us pretty much the best deal possible and then some. Jayne Adye, to the surprise of nobody who's ever heard of her, has decided that this is somehow discrimination. A particularly hilarious quote:



Yeah, no. People can subject themselves to whatever the hell laws they like (not that there actually are any EU laws that would actually directly effect most individuals living in the UK). In particular, many millions of people happily subject themselves to various religious laws, and I've signed legally binding documents subjecting myself to laws made by an international body a few dozen times this year.

...Probably wont pass but definitely serves to boost opinion of EU vs UK; while one's sufficiently outwards looking and inclusive to seriously consider extending citizenship rights, the other actively takes steps to pull the drawbridge to create an insular nation unable or unwilling to provide assurance for even current migrants already here with an opposition who's too chicken and incompetent to even make a coherent statement to press.


Yeah, a president who said no negotiation until article 50, a head trade deal official saying a deal is unlikely. While appointing a hardcore euro federalist to lead the exit negotiations. That last one would be like making Farrage our lead negotiator, or appointing Borris as foreign secretary.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:17 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:So, the EU is inexplicably proposing unilaterally giving us pretty much the best deal possible and then some. Jayne Adye, to the surprise of nobody who's ever heard of her, has decided that this is somehow discrimination. A particularly hilarious quote:



Yeah, no. People can subject themselves to whatever the hell laws they like (not that there actually are any EU laws that would actually directly effect most individuals living in the UK). In particular, many millions of people happily subject themselves to various religious laws, and I've signed legally binding documents subjecting myself to laws made by an international body a few dozen times this year.

...Probably wont pass but definitely serves to boost opinion of EU vs UK; while one's sufficiently outwards looking and inclusive to seriously consider extending citizenship rights, the other actively takes steps to pull the drawbridge to create an insular nation unable or unwilling to provide assurance for even current migrants already here with an opposition who's too chicken and incompetent to even make a coherent statement to press.


I must have missed the part where the EU promised to give all UK nationals in the rest of the EU such a guarantee unilaterally. :roll:
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:32 pm

Salandriagado wrote:So, the EU is inexplicably proposing unilaterally giving us pretty much the best deal possible and then some. Jayne Adye, to the surprise of nobody who's ever heard of her, has decided that this is somehow discrimination. A particularly hilarious quote:

It is totally unacceptable for certain citizens in the UK to subject themselves to laws which are created by politicians who are not accountable the British people as a whole.

Ejaculating so hard right now.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:36 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:So, the EU is inexplicably proposing unilaterally giving us pretty much the best deal possible and then some. Jayne Adye, to the surprise of nobody who's ever heard of her, has decided that this is somehow discrimination. A particularly hilarious quote:



Yeah, no. People can subject themselves to whatever the hell laws they like (not that there actually are any EU laws that would actually directly effect most individuals living in the UK). In particular, many millions of people happily subject themselves to various religious laws, and I've signed legally binding documents subjecting myself to laws made by an international body a few dozen times this year.

Looks like certain pro-Brexit entities only believe in individual freedom when it suits their nefarious schemes.

Yeah, like I could choose to subject myself to Jewish law. For no reason, except because I can, which would run contrary to certain articles and entitlements of UK law if I chose to follow such to the exclusion of them.

Members of the military, especially deployed overseas, are subject to additional laws that do not apply to regular citizens.

I can choose to subject myself to whatever laws I so wish. Should that include whatever possible """individual laws""" I would have to follow to be an EU citizen, so be it.
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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:36 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:I must have missed the part where the EU promised to give all UK nationals in the rest of the EU such a guarantee unilaterally. :roll:

A parliament committee debating unilaterally granting EU citizenship vs "ohhh no I cant talk about it; super duper secret" + "I tots said that, ohh no, I've no idea what I'm doing" + "lets tots raise the drawbridge because otherwise there'll be evil immigrants"
Yes I'm super confused which one's more inclusive too. :roll:

Dooom35796821595 wrote:Yeah, a president who said no negotiation until article 50, a head trade deal official saying a deal is unlikely. While appointing a hardcore euro federalist to lead the exit negotiations. That last one would be like making Farrage our lead negotiator, or appointing Borris as foreign secretary.

That makes perfect sense why'd you negotiate if you don't know other side isn't committed, that trends to happen when other side is putting fingers in ears and going "they'll give us everything we want even though they're saying exact opposite". Or appointing an entirely incompetent government.
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:36 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:So, the EU is inexplicably proposing unilaterally giving us pretty much the best deal possible and then some. Jayne Adye, to the surprise of nobody who's ever heard of her, has decided that this is somehow discrimination. A particularly hilarious quote:


Ejaculating so hard right now.


oh my sweet lord in heaven fucking do it please do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:45 pm

Freefall11111 wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Damned Swiss and their grey hearts of neutrality!

Wait what travesty?

This.


you can still buy the old one as far as i know it's just more expensive
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:45 pm

Brexit campaigners in Britain reacted with anger to the idea, arguing that it would discriminate against Leave voters and that it was “an outrage”.

oh my god this is too fucking funny

this is what they actually believe

holy shit
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:46 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:Yeah, a president who said no negotiation until article 50, a head trade deal official saying a deal is unlikely. While appointing a hardcore euro federalist to lead the exit negotiations. That last one would be like making Farrage our lead negotiator, or appointing Borris as foreign secretary.

That makes perfect sense why'd you negotiate if you don't know other side isn't committed, that trends to happen when other side is putting fingers in ears and going "they'll give us everything we want even though they're saying exact opposite". Or appointing an entirely incompetent government.


No, he did that because it would give the EU the advantage. No fuzzy and warm ideology of being nice, just a cold calculated decision, since he announced it after the result, but before the leadership issue was sorted.

Who appointed this government? A PM with less of a mandate then Brown? Such democracy. :roll:
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Postby Alvecia » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:46 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:This.


you can still buy the old one as far as i know it's just more expensive

IIRC the price of chocolate has been rising as of late. It's why you find a lot of brands are "redesigning" their bars. To saves on costs rather than raise prices.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:48 pm

Souseiseki wrote:Brexit campaigners in Britain reacted with anger to the idea, arguing that it would discriminate against Leave voters and that it was “an outrage”.

oh my god this is too fucking funny

this is what they actually believe

holy shit


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