UK Politics Thread V: Upon This Blasted Heath

[Angleter]

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COOKIE MONSTER SUPPORT TROOPS

All the Strictly contestants have to wear poppies for the training VTs too. Presumably to experience some of the peril faced by our troops.

[The Nihilistic view]

Did they hold a referendum on it beforehand with the government promising to carry out what people decided?

As a genuine question, when did the government ever made an explicit promise to carry out the #willofthepeople™?

You mean you did not read the £9 million pound leaflet?

[The Nihilistic view]

Did they hold a referendum on it beforehand with the government promising to carry out what people decided?

i don't know, do you have an opinion on ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE?

e: i was 100% sure i asked you this before but it seems like i might not have, either way i'm really curious as to what you think about our responsible media's latest funtimes

The free press is free. I don't have to agree with their headlines.

[Souseiseki]

i occasionally forget that UK government was officially against brexit as well and it brings me great joy to remember it

[Souseiseki]

i don't know, do you have an opinion on ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE?

e: i was 100% sure i asked you this before but it seems like i might not have, either way i'm really curious as to what you think about our responsible media's latest funtimes

The free press is free. I don't have to agree with their headlines.

do you not see how this is the kind of thing that might actually get someone hurt just like the news of the world witchhunts of old and maybe there is a limit to how far "but the free press!" can go in defending out "one of the worst in europe" press?

[Imperializt Russia]

As a genuine question, when did the government ever made an explicit promise to carry out the #willofthepeople™?

You mean you did not read the £9 million pound leaflet?

Well that's a bugger, isn't it.

I doubt that would have been worded the same way had there been more doubt over Leave's ability to win.
There is also the possibility that, of course, the leaflet wasn't written by the high annals of government and possibly someone not even familiar with the validity of referendums in the UK. It was a PR piece laying out the government case to remain.
While certainly damning, it doesn't hold any legal weight.

[The Nihilistic view]

The free press is free. I don't have to agree with their headlines.

do you not see how this is the kind of thing that might actually get someone hurt just like the news of the world witchhunts of old and maybe there is a limit to how far "but the free press!" can go in defending out "one of the worst in europe" press?

People get hurt in protests, so let's ban the gathering of more than two people in one place to stop it.

[Imperializt Russia]

i don't know, do you have an opinion on ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE?

e: i was 100% sure i asked you this before but it seems like i might not have, either way i'm really curious as to what you think about our responsible media's latest funtimes

The free press is free. I don't have to agree with their headlines.

As a purely personal aside, why the hell are you always up this late?

Me and Sous are both unemployed layabouts terrified at the world, what's your excuse?

[Marcurix]

Have we had our daily dose of bad news yet? Well, here's some.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37902922

[Imperializt Russia]

Have we had our daily dose of bad news yet? Well, here's some.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37902922

Well, it's US voting day today, I'd say that's daily dose enough.

[The Nihilistic view]

You mean you did not read the £9 million pound leaflet?

Well that's a bugger, isn't it.

I doubt that would have been worded the same way had there been more doubt over Leave's ability to win.
There is also the possibility that, of course, the leaflet wasn't written by the high annals of government and possibly someone not even familiar with the validity of referendums in the UK. It was a PR piece laying out the government case to remain.
While certainly damning, it doesn't hold any legal weight.

That was not in dispute or the original question. It is perfectly consistent with UK referendums, the Government has a majority to carry something out it has depending on the issue the option of either Prerogative or parliment. No differnet to any other govrrnment pledge really. The leaflet is not promising anything unconstitutional, just they will act. And by act the reasonable view on that promise is that it's done within the usual channels.

I have to say though maybe the leaflet was worth the cost to put it through every door in the land after all.

[Imperializt Russia]

This is where your idea and my idea of reasonable depart from one another.

Because if people voted for someone to stick their hand in a big fire, the reasonable course of action to me would be to not put the hand in the big fire.
I lost that game once before.

[Souseiseki]

the one that always gets me is

THE MAIL ACCUSES THESE MEN OF MURDER, LET THEM SUE US IF WE ARE WRONG

uh... why would they sue you? are you doing something sue worthy? are you doing something that you know is wrong or at least dodgy?

and isn't that kinda fucking up the trial? just a little bit? isn't that the kind of thing judges tell you explicitly not to do? especially on national news media?

and why "LET THEM SUE US"? why are you so gung-ho about accusing people to murder? shouldn't you as a responsible organ of the media do the exact opposite of this? really we're re-hashing the previous point about how innocent until proven guilty is a thing, the reason why everyone always adds "accused" every two lines and how they're dancing around a mistrial.

could it be the reason you're so happy to say "LET THEM SUE US" is because you know it's very very unlikely some random people have the financial capital to fight against a national media conglomerate and win and even if they do you have so much money you'll weather it easily? so you're, uh, basically using your size to bully people and almost above the law. that's... not really a good thing, is it?

but of course to tell them they can't do this would be a fascist repression of the free press, so enjoy occasionally being accused of being a paedophile or ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE in the national news media. or being mistaken for someone that has. try not to get your teeth kicked in! it's all for the free press, you see. your sacrifice will be remembered.]

e: also enjoy everyone being told you piss on kids corpses because why not? the media is free to just make shit up and slander you with no consequences, lol. free press!!!

Well that's a bugger, isn't it.

I doubt that would have been worded the same way had there been more doubt over Leave's ability to win.
There is also the possibility that, of course, the leaflet wasn't written by the high annals of government and possibly someone not even familiar with the validity of referendums in the UK. It was a PR piece laying out the government case to remain.
While certainly damning, it doesn't hold any legal weight.

That was not in dispute or the original question. It is perfectly consistent with UK referendums, the Government has a majority to carry something out it has depending on the issue the option of either Prerogative or parliment. No differnet to any other govrrnment pledge really. The leaflet is not promising anything unconstitutional, just they will act. And by act the reasonable view on that promise is that it's done within the usual channels.

I have to say though maybe the leaflet was worth the cost to put it through every door in the land after all.

the government that promised it was dissolved. :-)

[The Nihilistic view]

The free press is free. I don't have to agree with their headlines.

As a purely personal aside, why the hell are you always up this late?

Me and Sous are both unemployed layabouts terrified at the world, what's your excuse?

Being partly in charge has its perks..... Though it also has something to do with me only needing about 5-6 hours sleep to function. So when I am not due to work until 3pm, basically work at home what with my place of work basically next door then bed time is at the latest about 7am. Though last few days have been pretty long, hence not being around here since before the weekend. Tomorrow is just a short afternoon shift. Also about half my current job and also most of what I am working towards for my own buisness is basically different sorts of paperwork I do at a time in the day when I fancy as long as it's done on time for the particular task. So little need to be up by 8am much of the week.

[Imperializt Russia]

Neat.

[The Nihilistic view]

This is where your idea and my idea of reasonable depart from one another.

Because if people voted for someone to stick their hand in a big fire, the reasonable course of action to me would be to not put the hand in the big fire.
I lost that game once before.

Lucky the referendum question was not "Should everybody have one hand stuck in a fire?" then.

[Souseiseki]

Have we had our daily dose of bad news yet? Well, here's some.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37902922

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-ah5xJz6ZU

Neat.

am i bad person if i'm secretly hoping brexit hits his business hard

[Imperializt Russia]

Makes you a worse person than me, not sure how much solace you want to take from that.

[Souseiseki]

This is where your idea and my idea of reasonable depart from one another.

Because if people voted for someone to stick their hand in a big fire, the reasonable course of action to me would be to not put the hand in the big fire.
I lost that game once before.

Lucky the referendum question was not "Should everybody have one hand stuck in a fire?" then.

i prefer the analogy of putting your hand in boiling water because it takes you a while for your body to realize you just fucked up.

i'm sick of scaremongering experts telling me not to stick my hand in the water. it's my sovereign right to put my hand in the water. it might hurt a little/a lot in the short term but i am confident i will be better off for it. see, my hand is fine. i told you it was just scaremongering. oh. oh. oh. my hand was too skinny anyway, this will be good for exports.

[The Nihilistic view]

the one that always gets me is

THE MAIL ACCUSES THESE MEN OF MURDER, LET THEM SUE US IF WE ARE WRONG

uh... why would they sue you? are you doing something sue worthy? are you doing something that you know is wrong or at least dodgy?

and isn't that kinda fucking up the trial? just a little bit? isn't that the kind of thing judges tell you explicitly not to do? especially on national news media?

and why "LET THEM SUE US"? why are you so gung-ho about accusing people to murder? shouldn't you as a responsible organ of the media do the exact opposite of this? really we're re-hashing the previous point about how innocent until proven guilty is a thing, the reason why everyone always adds "accused" every two lines and how they're dancing around a mistrial.

could it be the reason you're so happy to say "LET THEM SUE US" is because you know it's very very unlikely some random people have the financial capital to fight against a national media conglomerate and win and even if they do you have so much money you'll weather it easily? so you're, uh, basically using your size to bully people and almost above the law. that's... not really a good thing, is it?

but of course to tell them they can't do this would be a fascist repression of the free press, so enjoy occasionally being accused of being a paedophile or ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE in the national news media. or being mistaken for someone that has. try not to get your teeth kicked in! it's all for the free press, you see. your sacrifice will be remembered.]

e: also enjoy everyone being told you piss on kids corpses because why not? the media is free to just make shit up and slander you with no consequences, lol. free press!!!

That was not in dispute or the original question. It is perfectly consistent with UK referendums, the Government has a majority to carry something out it has depending on the issue the option of either Prerogative or parliment. No differnet to any other govrrnment pledge really. The leaflet is not promising anything unconstitutional, just they will act. And by act the reasonable view on that promise is that it's done within the usual channels.

I have to say though maybe the leaflet was worth the cost to put it through every door in the land after all.

the government that promised it was dissolved. :-)

Well if there is a trial involved if such people are not found guilty then they could find a reason to sue probably. If they are found guilty then the paper was right. I would imagine you could find a no win no fee lawyer if you wanted, they seem to do just about anything these days.

You do sound on the money point rather like the Mail over the article 50 case.

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May has already committed to following the result so old or new before or after both have said they will act on following the result. Though in people's minds I don't think such technicalies would intrest them in their anger were something different tried.

[The Nihilistic view]

Lucky the referendum question was not "Should everybody have one hand stuck in a fire?" then.

i prefer the analogy of putting your hand in boiling water because it takes you a while for your body to realize you just fucked up.

i'm sick of scaremongering experts telling me not to stick my hand in the water. it's my sovereign right to put my hand in the water. it might hurt a little/a lot in the short term but i am confident i will be better off for it. see, my hand is fine. i told you it was just scaremongering. oh. oh. oh. my hand was too skinny anyway, this will be good for exports.

How do you personally know one is noticeably longer to register than the other, I won't accept expert evidence. Personal experiments only.

[Souseiseki]

i prefer the analogy of putting your hand in boiling water because it takes you a while for your body to realize you just fucked up.

i'm sick of scaremongering experts telling me not to stick my hand in the water. it's my sovereign right to put my hand in the water. it might hurt a little/a lot in the short term but i am confident i will be better off for it. see, my hand is fine. i told you it was just scaremongering. oh. oh. oh. my hand was too skinny anyway, this will be good for exports.

How do you personally know one is noticeably longer to register than the other, I won't accept expert evidence. Personal experiments only.

it gets tested every time i take a bath, make tea or wash the dishes. that said it's cute you're trying to get me to boil my hand.

[Souseiseki]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... ium=social

may's visit to india has been a failure in pretty much every way and it's kinda amazing

is it starting to sink in yet

[Imperializt Russia]

How do you personally know one is noticeably longer to register than the other, I won't accept expert evidence. Personal experiments only.

it gets tested every time i take a bath, make tea or wash the dishes. that said it's cute you're trying to get me to boil my hand.

Well, it's healthier than fried hand.

[The Nihilistic view]

Have we had our daily dose of bad news yet? Well, here's some.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37902922

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-ah5xJz6ZU

Neat.

am i bad person if i'm secretly hoping brexit hits his business hard

I don't want to disappoint you, but orders are up in my day job. When one is a domestic producer of something that requires no imports foreign competitors look rather more expensive these days. So far the Brexit vote has been good to me. It would have to be the mother of all recessions if there is one before overall things were worse.

Incedentally this post referendum bounce was not something I really expected before the vote. Maybe I was listening to the experts more than I should have done over the consequences.