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Which of the following do you want to keep post-Brexit

Freedom of Movement
31
13%
Single Market Access
62
25%
Both of the Above
102
41%
Neither of the Above
53
21%
 
Total votes : 248

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:08 am

Souseiseki wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/06/uk-will-not-offer-more-work-visas-to-indian-nationals-says-may

Theresa May has dashed Indian hopes for a more liberal visa system for its nationals wanting to work in the UK by arguing that the current offer is generous enough.

Speaking on the way to her first bilateral meeting in Delhi, the prime minister argued that Britain was already able to attract the “brightest and best” from outside the EU. “The figures show that we issue more work visas to India than I think US, Australia and China put together. Nine out of 10 visa applications from India are already accepted. We have, I believe, a good system,” she said.

The comments will prove disappointing for some in the Indian government and business community who have argued for more of their highly skilled professional workers to be able to get six-month visas for the UK and other European countries. Will not raise visa quota for Indian nationals, says May

Prime minister says current system is ‘generous enough’ in a move which could hamper Delhi trade talks

The demand for more freedoms for Indian workers moving abroad was a part of trade negotiations with the EU, which stalled because of failure to agree on it and other issues.

Vince Cable, the former Lib Dem business secretary, said May’s refusal to agree to any such liberalisation in the past was a key stumbling block to trade talks between the EU and India. Although he admitted they were complex negotiations, he claimed that her unwillingness to budge was down to an obsession over getting the net migration numbers down as home secretary.


we're going to fucking tank UK-india and UK-EU talks over immigration and people are still going to complain about muh immigration endlessly


So why ones India, a nation of over a billion people want more of their people to be allowed to work in the UK? Wouldn't they want to keep such educated individuals in their own system?
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:15 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/06/uk-will-not-offer-more-work-visas-to-indian-nationals-says-may



we're going to fucking tank UK-india and UK-EU talks over immigration and people are still going to complain about muh immigration endlessly


So why ones India, a nation of over a billion people want more of their people to be allowed to work in the UK? Wouldn't they want to keep such educated individuals in their own system?

Maybe the Indian government wants their people to be able to find success and happiness in their lives, even if that means facilitating their emigration.

I mean, I know it sounds crazy, but sometimes governments do act in the interests of their people.

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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:22 am

Ifreann wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
So why ones India, a nation of over a billion people want more of their people to be allowed to work in the UK? Wouldn't they want to keep such educated individuals in their own system?

Maybe the Indian government wants their people to be able to find success and happiness in their lives, even if that means facilitating their emigration.

I mean, I know it sounds crazy, but sometimes governments do act in the interests of their people.

No, India just wants to exploit British taxpayers money that will inevitably be sent by these double agents back to India. Or something.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:25 am

Ifreann wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
So why ones India, a nation of over a billion people want more of their people to be allowed to work in the UK? Wouldn't they want to keep such educated individuals in their own system?

Maybe the Indian government wants their people to be able to find success and happiness in their lives, even if that means facilitating their emigration.

I mean, I know it sounds crazy, but sometimes governments do act in the interests of their people.


How dare you tell such vicious lies, everybody knows the government exist only to further its own goals and cement its own power base! Brexit means Brexit! :p

I'm also thinking we need a new PM, someone who isn't so obsessed over immigration figures. Too bad everyone else is either worse or more evil.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:53 am

Ifreann wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
So why ones India, a nation of over a billion people want more of their people to be allowed to work in the UK? Wouldn't they want to keep such educated individuals in their own system?

Maybe the Indian government wants their people to be able to find success and happiness in their lives, even if that means facilitating their emigration.

I mean, I know it sounds crazy, but sometimes governments do act in the interests of their people.

They are talking specifically about 6-month visas, not permanent emigration.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:54 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Maybe the Indian government wants their people to be able to find success and happiness in their lives, even if that means facilitating their emigration.

I mean, I know it sounds crazy, but sometimes governments do act in the interests of their people.


How dare you tell such vicious lies, everybody knows the government exist only to further its own goals and cement its own power base! Brexit means Brexit! :p

I'm also thinking we need a new PM, someone who isn't so obsessed over immigration figures. Too bad everyone else is either worse or more evil.

There's always Kommisar Korbyn :roll:
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:59 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Maybe the Indian government wants their people to be able to find success and happiness in their lives, even if that means facilitating their emigration.

I mean, I know it sounds crazy, but sometimes governments do act in the interests of their people.

They are talking specifically about 6-month visas, not permanent emigration.

Okay.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:22 am

Ifreann wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:They are talking specifically about 6-month visas, not permanent emigration.

Okay.

Presumably, 6-month visas benefit both India and the UK (since the headlines are all talking about the curry industry - stereotypes? Or is it that big?) - with UK restaurants able to get licensed, legitimate Indian chefs and the prestige that brings them, and India gets people with the prestige of having served Indian to English customers - and presumably money above the local cost of living coming in as disposable income, then spent in India. Or sent home to families to spend.
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Postby Frank Zipper » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:30 am

The government can't say they weren't warned about staffing problems at Pentonville prison.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:40 am

Frank Zipper wrote:The government can't say they weren't warned about staffing problems at Pentonville prison.

Care to expand?
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Postby Frank Zipper » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:47 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Frank Zipper wrote:The government can't say they weren't warned about staffing problems at Pentonville prison.

Care to expand?


There have been a couple of reports saying it was in crisis, before these escapes today. Wiki says:

"In February 2014, a report by Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of Prisons Nick Hardwick said there are "huge challenges" at Pentonville and that it will not have a "viable future" without a major refurbishment and extra staff.

A further report released in June 2015 indicated that Pentonville had "deteriorated even further" since the previous inspection. The report highlighted that many inmates were left without basic provisions, including pillows and utensils, that there were "mounds of rubbish" on the floors and cockroach infestations. Frances Cook, chief executive for the Howard League for Penal Reform, commented "when a prison is asked to hold 350 more prisoners than it is designed for, we should not be surprised when it fails"."
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:19 am

There were prison escapes today?

Isn't Pentonville in London as well?
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Postby Frank Zipper » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:27 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:There were prison escapes today?

Isn't Pentonville in London as well?


Riots in Bedford Prison last night, also Lewes Prison last month, escapes today from Pentonville.

Our prison system is in a dire state, understaffed and overcrowded.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:30 am

Frank Zipper wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:There were prison escapes today?

Isn't Pentonville in London as well?


Riots in Bedford Prison last night, also Lewes Prison last month, escapes today from Pentonville.

Our prison system is in a dire state, understaffed and overcrowded.


We could just release all low level offenders. :)
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:34 am

Frank Zipper wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:There were prison escapes today?

Isn't Pentonville in London as well?


Riots in Bedford Prison last night, also Lewes Prison last month, escapes today from Pentonville.

Our prison system is in a dire state, understaffed and overcrowded.

These sound like events that should be big news stories.

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Postby Frank Zipper » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:37 am

Ifreann wrote:
Frank Zipper wrote:
Riots in Bedford Prison last night, also Lewes Prison last month, escapes today from Pentonville.

Our prison system is in a dire state, understaffed and overcrowded.

These sound like events that should be big news stories.


Brexit is allowing all manner of problems to be swept under the carpet.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:38 am

Frank Zipper wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:There were prison escapes today?

Isn't Pentonville in London as well?


Riots in Bedford Prison last night, also Lewes Prison last month, escapes today from Pentonville.

Our prison system is in a dire state, understaffed and overcrowded.

From the BBC's Pentonville coverage:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37899401

"Police were called at 11:44am"
... THAT LATE

Following the murder of an inmate on the same wing (G-wing), half the prison officers passed a vote of no-confidence in the prison governor. They claimed that it was not possible to prevent contraband and weapons being thrown into the prison and collected by inmates. Partly due to being in the middle of a residential area probably, but Jesus shitting Christ, this is the evidence of "the prison service can't work under the conditions they're in".

Apparently, diamond-tipped cutting equipment can't be prevented from being passed inside to prisoners either. Somehow.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:39 am

Ifreann wrote:
Frank Zipper wrote:
Riots in Bedford Prison last night, also Lewes Prison last month, escapes today from Pentonville.

Our prison system is in a dire state, understaffed and overcrowded.

These sound like events that should be big news stories.


Well they're front page on the BBC...

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:41 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Frank Zipper wrote:
Riots in Bedford Prison last night, also Lewes Prison last month, escapes today from Pentonville.

Our prison system is in a dire state, understaffed and overcrowded.


We could just release all low level offenders. :)


Clearly the solution is to cut welfare and corporation tax. That solves every problem, doesn't it? :roll:
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:42 am

56 British defence sites to close as part of defence review:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37902141
8 in Scotland, 3 in Wales, 3 in Northern Ireland. Article uses the word "release" which I don't understand the meaning of in context.

Very little information. I assume several are nuclear or ex-nuclear sites or otherwise, possibly bunker networks.

Because civil defence is something that looks really bad on a balance sheet if you're a fucking cretin.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:42 am

Vassenor wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
We could just release all low level offenders. :)


Clearly the solution is to cut welfare and corporation tax. That solves every problem, doesn't it? :roll:


I'm sorry, but you have the wrong poster. Please hang up and try again.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:44 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ifreann wrote:These sound like events that should be big news stories.


Well they're front page on the BBC...

Know what else I found on the front page of the Beeb?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37894965
"Feet up - why Spanish schoolchildren have downed pens in homework strike"

Just saying.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:46 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Clearly the solution is to cut welfare and corporation tax. That solves every problem, doesn't it? :roll:


I'm sorry, but you have the wrong poster. Please hang up and try again.

I think that is referencing the poster you're thinking of.

I don't think it's strictly directed at you.
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Postby Frank Zipper » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:49 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Well they're front page on the BBC...

Know what else I found on the front page of the Beeb?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37894965
"Feet up - why Spanish schoolchildren have downed pens in homework strike"

Just saying.



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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:50 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
I'm sorry, but you have the wrong poster. Please hang up and try again.

I think that is referencing the poster you're thinking of.

I don't think it's strictly directed at you.


I thought she got banned?

Besides, it's like saying "Biggie Smalls" infront of a mirror three times, it may not work but why tempt fate?
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