UK Politics Thread V: Upon This Blasted Heath

[Alvecia]

So how would immigration restrictions prevent 7/7?

Or anything that the IRA did?

Well, if immigration were curbed, the parents of the bombers would not have gotten into the UK.

Impossible to know. Seems likely they would've passed the immigration checks anyway.
We don't tend to check if your offspring will commit crimes in the future when considering entry.

[Vassenor]

And how would it have prevented the IRA from doing what it did?

[Anywhere Else But Here]

I've been saying the same thing about the Angle and Saxon ancestors of many of our modern day criminals for years.

We should have just altered concentration of Hydrogen in the early universe to prevent all modern criminality. Do I win?

No. You didn't suggest tweaking fundamental physical constants so that expansion could never happen in the first place.

[Great Nepal]

We should have just altered concentration of Hydrogen in the early universe to prevent all modern criminality. Do I win?

No. You didn't suggest tweaking fundamental physical constants so that expansion could never happen in the first place.

Damn! Clearly being corrupted by experts here

And how would it have prevented the IRA from doing what it did?

If we were more in control of our immigration policies back in 18th century we'd have been able to deport the Irish illegal residents, thus their offspring would not be able to form IRA.

[Greater Pareidolia]

Well, if immigration were curbed, the parents of the bombers would not have gotten into the UK.

Impossible to know. Seems likely they would've passed the immigration checks anyway.
We don't tend to check if your offspring will commit crimes in the future when considering entry.

THEN WHAT THE HELL ARE WE PAYING TOM CRUISE FOR?!

[Alvecia]

Impossible to know. Seems likely they would've passed the immigration checks anyway.
We don't tend to check if your offspring will commit crimes in the future when considering entry.

THEN WHAT THE HELL ARE WE PAYING TOM CRUISE FOR?!

Shall I take this as you waving the white flag?

[Greater Pareidolia]

THEN WHAT THE HELL ARE WE PAYING TOM CRUISE FOR?!

Shall I take this as you waving the white flag?

Not me. I don't even know the colour white.

[Alvecia]

Shall I take this as you waving the white flag?

Not me. I don't even know the colour white.

Given you're clearly no longer interested in serious discussion I'll take that as a yes.

[Greater Pareidolia]

Not me. I don't even know the colour white.

Given you're clearly no longer interested in serious discussion I'll take that as a yes.

Well maybe immigration should be screened on possibility of criminal behaviour. There are certain groups that are more likely to be criminal. Let's take a look at this:

https://evonews.com/world-news/2016/nov/03/moroccans-and-romanians-the-nationalities-youre-more-likely-to-meet-in-eu-prisons/

[Imperializt Russia]

So how would immigration restrictions prevent 7/7?

Or anything that the IRA did?

Well, if immigration were curbed, the parents of the bombers would not have gotten into the UK.

Demonstrate this.

The youngest bomber, 18 at the time of his death, was born in 1986. His mother was an interpreter working for the NHS.
It stands to reason that, under most "restricted" forms of immigration, she would have been permitted to enter the country with her husband.
It also stands to reason that you would have to demonstrate that Hussain's parents were not themselves born in the UK.

It fundamentally requires the premise that the UK had twenty to forty years of foresight in preventing immigration for no reason except to prevent the 7/7 attacks.

[Alvecia]

Given you're clearly no longer interested in serious discussion I'll take that as a yes.

Well maybe immigration should be screened on possibility of criminal behaviour. There are certain groups that are more likely to be criminal. Let's take a look at this:

https://evonews.com/world-news/2016/nov/03/moroccans-and-romanians-the-nationalities-youre-more-likely-to-meet-in-eu-prisons/

Going purely off numbers is highly suspect.
Using the same reasoning blacks in America should be removed and/or refused entry from the country because the incarcerated population is disproportionately black.

There's also nothing there that mentions the proportions, so we don't know if there are more expats imprisoned simply because they have more overall expats.

[Imperializt Russia]

Given you're clearly no longer interested in serious discussion I'll take that as a yes.

Well maybe immigration should be screened on possibility of criminal behaviour. There are certain groups that are more likely to be criminal. Let's take a look at this:

https://evonews.com/world-news/2016/nov/03/moroccans-and-romanians-the-nationalities-youre-more-likely-to-meet-in-eu-prisons/

Are you suggesting criminality is genetic?

[Vassenor]

Well maybe immigration should be screened on possibility of criminal behaviour. There are certain groups that are more likely to be criminal. Let's take a look at this:

https://evonews.com/world-news/2016/nov/03/moroccans-and-romanians-the-nationalities-youre-more-likely-to-meet-in-eu-prisons/

Are you suggesting criminality is genetic?

Oh Christ it's Lombroso all over again.

[Greater Pareidolia]

Well maybe immigration should be screened on possibility of criminal behaviour. There are certain groups that are more likely to be criminal. Let's take a look at this:

https://evonews.com/world-news/2016/nov/03/moroccans-and-romanians-the-nationalities-youre-more-likely-to-meet-in-eu-prisons/

Are you suggesting criminality is genetic?

Did you read what I typed?

If so, click spoiler 1.

If not, click spoiler 2.

Spoiler 1:

I did not.

Spoiler 2:

Read it.

[Imperializt Russia]

Well, you say that "certain groups" are "more likely to be criminal". A phrase which would be better stated as "disproportionately incarcerated".

You then give a link talking about two nationalities, Moroccan and Romanian.

Since nationality is more or less meaningless in this context, then you're either suggesting that it's somehow a genetic race trait, or you're boiling down a very complex issue into meaninglessness.

[Ostroeuropa]

Well, you say that "certain groups" are "more likely to be criminal". A phrase which would be better stated as "disproportionately incarcerated".

You then give a link talking about two nationalities, Moroccan and Romanian.

Since nationality is more or less meaningless in this context, then you're either suggesting that it's somehow a genetic race trait, or you're boiling down a very complex issue into meaninglessness.

Culture?

[Philjia]

Well, you say that "certain groups" are "more likely to be criminal". A phrase which would be better stated as "disproportionately incarcerated".

You then give a link talking about two nationalities, Moroccan and Romanian.

Since nationality is more or less meaningless in this context, then you're either suggesting that it's somehow a genetic race trait, or you're boiling down a very complex issue into meaninglessness.

Culture?

C'est l'économie stupide.

[Imperializt Russia]

Well, you say that "certain groups" are "more likely to be criminal". A phrase which would be better stated as "disproportionately incarcerated".

You then give a link talking about two nationalities, Moroccan and Romanian.

Since nationality is more or less meaningless in this context, then you're either suggesting that it's somehow a genetic race trait, or you're boiling down a very complex issue into meaninglessness.

Culture?

Boiling down a very complex issue into meaninglessness, yes, that's what I said.

[Greater Pareidolia]

Well, you say that "certain groups" are "more likely to be criminal". A phrase which would be better stated as "disproportionately incarcerated".

You then give a link talking about two nationalities, Moroccan and Romanian.

Since nationality is more or less meaningless in this context, then you're either suggesting that it's somehow a genetic race trait, or you're boiling down a very complex issue into meaninglessness.

You turn it into a binary issue. Not me.

[Alvecia]

And my response?

[Greater Pareidolia]

Well there has to be a reason those two are leading contenders in incarceration rates, doesn't there?

[Imperializt Russia]

Well there has to be a reason those two are leading contenders in incarceration rates, doesn't there?

No.

There are a slew of interconnecting reasons. There is not one magical reason.

[Philjia]

Well there has to be a reason those two are leading contenders in incarceration rates, doesn't there?

Economic factors, jury bias, judge bias, who knows?

[Alvecia]

Well there has to be a reason those two are leading contenders in incarceration rates, doesn't there?

See that's misleading, because the article doesn't really specify rates, it rather specifically only states actual figures, so we don't actually know if the numbers are proportional to the expat population as a whole.

Also, as in my previous example, the reasons for higher incarceration rates are more complex than simply "they commit more crimes because."

[Alvecia]

You know if you actually look at the report that your article is referencing it notes that Romanians have the second largest number of expats. With that in mind, that they have the largest number of incarcerated citizens actually seems rather reasonable.