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Which of the following do you want to keep post-Brexit

Freedom of Movement
31
13%
Single Market Access
62
25%
Both of the Above
102
41%
Neither of the Above
53
21%
 
Total votes : 248

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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:14 pm

Olivaero wrote:
Wolfmanne2 wrote:Political nickname rules sadly means I'm forbidden from calling him White Osama Bin Laden.

Damn we better go warn him abut possible incoming navy seal hit squads.

Don't worry, he'll have over a decade where the hit squads will be searching in caves in northern Scotland, whilst all the while he's near a military base in London.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:15 pm

Eastfield Lodge wrote:
Olivaero wrote:Damn we better go warn him abut possible incoming navy seal hit squads.

Don't worry, he'll have over a decade where the hit squads will be searching in caves in northern Scotland, whilst all the while he's near a military base in London.

He was in his allotment all along, growing berries.

Terror berries.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:19 pm

Wolfmanne2 wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
No he can't, he's not head of state.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07 ... ament-ove/


Well that's new to me. Although It hasn't been used in 200 years, so it needs updating. I take the fact he hasn't already been dragged before parliament in chains means it's unlikely to happen. It would also be interesting if people like David and Borris could be charged over their deceptive and misleading EU arguments. And Alex Salmond must surely be liable for high treason for threatening the United Kingdom. (Scottish independence through lies = high treason?)
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Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:20 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Eastfield Lodge wrote:Don't worry, he'll have over a decade where the hit squads will be searching in caves in northern Scotland, whilst all the while he's near a military base in London.

He was in his allotment all along, growing berries.

Terror berries.

Redcurrants, no doubt.

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:22 pm

Eastfield Lodge wrote:
Olivaero wrote:Damn we better go warn him abut possible incoming navy seal hit squads.

Don't worry, he'll have over a decade where the hit squads will be searching in caves in northern Scotland, whilst all the while he's near a military base in London.


You mean a city near Sandhurst?

(Probably spelt that wrong.)
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Postby Imperial Union of America » Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:35 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Eastfield Lodge wrote:Don't worry, he'll have over a decade where the hit squads will be searching in caves in northern Scotland, whilst all the while he's near a military base in London.

He was in his allotment all along, growing berries.

Terror berries.


If we can take out Osama next to Pakistani west point I think we can manage.

The united states makes its own rules, why does the UK care about these supposed war crimes?
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Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:36 pm

Imperial Union of America wrote:
Ifreann wrote:He was in his allotment all along, growing berries.

Terror berries.


If we can take out Osama next to Pakistani west point I think we can manage.

The united states makes its own rules, why does the UK care about these supposed war crimes?

Basic decency?

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:38 pm

Imperial Union of America wrote:
Ifreann wrote:He was in his allotment all along, growing berries.

Terror berries.


If we can take out Osama next to Pakistani west point I think we can manage.

The united states makes its own rules, why does the UK care about these supposed war crimes?

Justice, dear boy.
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Postby Imperial Union of America » Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:38 pm

Anywhere Else But Here wrote:
Imperial Union of America wrote:
If we can take out Osama next to Pakistani west point I think we can manage.

The united states makes its own rules, why does the UK care about these supposed war crimes?

Basic decency?


If we do something against basic decency we just hide it.
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Postby Imperial Union of America » Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:38 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Imperial Union of America wrote:
If we can take out Osama next to Pakistani west point I think we can manage.

The united states makes its own rules, why does the UK care about these supposed war crimes?

Justice, dear boy.


America never gave a shit out justice and it's not like the UK has a better track record either.
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Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:41 pm

Imperial Union of America wrote:
Anywhere Else But Here wrote:Basic decency?


If we do something against basic decency we just hide it.

Ohhhh! I just had that moment you get you realise you're arguing with a satire account.

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Postby TomKirk » Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:58 pm

from another board,
And....today at Labour conference:

9:46am: Corbyn tells Jewish peer who quit Labour over anti-Semitism to “reflect“.

9:56am: Corbyn says he backs war crimes investigations into British troops.

10:00am: Corbyn says he opposes giving more resources to MI6.

11:52am: Ken Livingstone talks about Hitler on the BBC.

1:42am: Delegate rants about “Jewish MPs” and “Jewish plot to oust Corbyn”.

1:50pm: Fringe speaker compares Tory welfare policy to Nazis’ Arbeit Macht Frei.

5:00pm: Momentum host speaker who called for a Jewish man’s throat to be cut.

5:25pm: Anti-war merchandise mocking injured British soldiers on sale.

6:00pm: Jackie Walker says anti-Semitism in Labour is “exaggerated“.

6:30pm: Leaflets circulated: “Jewish Labour Movement does not belong in Labour”.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:58 pm

Wolfmanne2 wrote:
Olivaero wrote:Can we expect you to call Jez by Jeremy Bernard Corbyn then?

Political nickname rules sadly means I'm forbidden from calling him White Osama Bin Laden.

I would think that comes under "not being moronic" but hey, I'm the original Dangerous Socialist.
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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:59 pm

Lamadia 2016 wrote:And I don't buy this scaremongering.
Nobody's 'going to die', there aren't going to be piles of bodies in the streets of Liverpool. Some people are going to have to stand on their own two feet, which will be easier should investment in cutting taxes and economic stimuli succeed in bringing more business to Britain.


Time for a story. It's about a young girl. We'll call her Sarah, though that's not her real name. Every other part of this story is true. Sarah is ten years old. Sarah is disabled. Four years ago, her mother died, and her father left active duty in the army to look after her and her older siblings. Given his lack of qualifications (because he was in the army from 16) he could only get a part time minimum wage job, and he worked on getting qualifications the rest of the time. Those classes aren't cheap, and those jobs don't pay worth a shit (and neither are kids), so he relied rather heavily on those benefits to keep alive. In fact, even with the current state of benefits, he still skips meals on a regular basis to feed his kids, and still relies on me taking them away for a week every so often for free (and feeding them). With your proposed cuts, that family would be homeless within ~2 months.


Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Wolfmanne2 wrote:He can still get impeached though.


No he can't, he's not head of state.


This is not the US. Impeachment has been obsolete for centuries, and when it wasn't it could be used against anybody.
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Postby Geilinor » Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:06 pm

TomKirk wrote:from another board,
And....today at Labour conference:

9:46am: Corbyn tells Jewish peer who quit Labour over anti-Semitism to “reflect“.

1:42am: Delegate rants about “Jewish MPs” and “Jewish plot to oust Corbyn”.

5:00pm: Momentum host speaker who called for a Jewish man’s throat to be cut.

5:25pm: Anti-war merchandise mocking injured British soldiers on sale.

6:00pm: Jackie Walker says anti-Semitism in Labour is “exaggerated“.

6:30pm: Leaflets circulated: “Jewish Labour Movement does not belong in Labour”.

Why do people do these disgusting things?
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Postby TomKirk » Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:39 pm

Lamadia 2016 wrote:And I don't buy this scaremongering.
Nobody's 'going to die', there aren't going to be piles of bodies in the streets of Liverpool. Some people are going to have to stand on their own two feet, which will be easier should investment in cutting taxes and economic stimuli succeed in bringing more business to Britain.

In the US we have tried cutting taxes and economic stimuli for the past 35 years. We are still waiting for the great trickle-down.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:47 pm

Wolfmanne2 wrote:
Olivaero wrote:Can we expect you to call Jez by Jeremy Bernard Corbyn then?

Political nickname rules sadly means I'm forbidden from calling him White Osama Bin Laden.


that position is already occupied by nige al-farag anyway

Wolfmanne2 wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
No he can't, he's not head of state.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07 ... ament-ove/

Souseiseki wrote:
the only reason he's not being called big tone is due to political nicknaming rules. make no mistake that the original draft of my previous post included the sentence "an audience with big tone himself".

Blair of Nazareth turned an unelectable Labour Party into a force which won three general election. He commanded God to rain democracy bombs on Iraq and expel foul demons for Iraqi children. He delivered safety and security through his most revered disciples the Home Secretaries of the Kingdom of Heaven, who constructed a Jerusalem that was free from heresy.


while we're on the topic of home secretaries please take a moment to consider whether or not referring to someone as osama bin laden is insulting behaviour or an offensive communication
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Postby Imperial Union of America » Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:37 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Wolfmanne2 wrote:Political nickname rules sadly means I'm forbidden from calling him White Osama Bin Laden.


that position is already occupied by nige al-farag anyway

Wolfmanne2 wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07 ... ament-ove/


Blair of Nazareth turned an unelectable Labour Party into a force which won three general election. He commanded God to rain democracy bombs on Iraq and expel foul demons for Iraqi children. He delivered safety and security through his most revered disciples the Home Secretaries of the Kingdom of Heaven, who constructed a Jerusalem that was free from heresy.


while we're on the topic of home secretaries please take a moment to consider whether or not referring to someone as osama bin laden is insulting behaviour or an offensive communication


1st amendment ftw. feel sorry for you brits.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:39 pm

Imperial Union of America wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
that position is already occupied by nige al-farag anyway



while we're on the topic of home secretaries please take a moment to consider whether or not referring to someone as osama bin laden is insulting behaviour or an offensive communication


1st amendment ftw. feel sorry for you brits.


it'd be pretty fucking useful yeah
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:46 pm

Imperial Union of America wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
that position is already occupied by nige al-farag anyway



while we're on the topic of home secretaries please take a moment to consider whether or not referring to someone as osama bin laden is insulting behaviour or an offensive communication


1st amendment ftw. feel sorry for you brits.

"I'm a Fascist and i believe the constitution should be suspended."
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Postby Imperial Union of America » Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:48 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Imperial Union of America wrote:
1st amendment ftw. feel sorry for you brits.

"I'm a Fascist and i believe the constitution should be suspended."



In an ideal fascist state, opinions would be permitted. as long as the State approved them. So as long as you are not left-wing, you should be OK.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:49 pm

i've developed a new test called the souseiseki test of laws

it goes like this

1) pick a law
2) compare the law to the same situation in japan, poland, germany and russia
3) if you get "less liberal than all 4" you need to seriously rethink what the fuck went wrong and what the hell you think you're doing

what do you think?

Imperial Union of America wrote:
Ifreann wrote:"I'm a Fascist and i believe the constitution should be suspended."



In an ideal fascist state, opinions would be permitted. as long as the State approved them. So as long as you are not left-wing, you should be OK.


so literally the opposite of the first amendment in every way

sounds like you'd be a fan of the UK
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:50 pm

Imperial Union of America wrote:
Ifreann wrote:"I'm a Fascist and i believe the constitution should be suspended."



In an ideal fascist state, opinions would be permitted. as long as the State approved them. So as long as you are not left-wing, you should be OK.

Then why bother bringing up the 1st Amendment, which protects the right of left-wing views to exist?
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Postby Imperial Union of America » Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:53 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Imperial Union of America wrote:

In an ideal fascist state, opinions would be permitted. as long as the State approved them. So as long as you are not left-wing, you should be OK.

Then why bother bringing up the 1st Amendment, which protects the right of left-wing views to exist?


Because it protects us from stupid liberal laws against so-called 'hate speech', 'holocaust denial' and other such things. If we didn't have the first amendment, those things would probably be outlawed.

Souseiseki wrote:i've developed a new test called the souseiseki test of laws

it goes like this

1) pick a law
2) compare the law to the same situation in japan, poland, germany and russia
3) if you get "less liberal than all 4" you need to seriously rethink what the fuck went wrong and what the hell you think you're doing

what do you think?

Imperial Union of America wrote:

In an ideal fascist state, opinions would be permitted. as long as the State approved them. So as long as you are not left-wing, you should be OK.


so literally the opposite of the first amendment in every way

sounds like you'd be a fan of the UK


Yep, if the UK was more right-wing.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:55 pm

Wolfmanne2 wrote:
Olivaero wrote:Can we expect you to call Jez by Jeremy Bernard Corbyn then?

Political nickname rules sadly means I'm forbidden from calling him White Osama Bin Laden.


Cute attempts to get around the political nicknaming rule will still get you *** Warned For Political Nicknaming ***

Souseiseki wrote:
Wolfmanne2 wrote:Political nickname rules sadly means I'm forbidden from calling him White Osama Bin Laden.


that position is already occupied by nige al-farag anyway



*** Warned For Political Nicknaming ***
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