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Which of the following do you want to keep post-Brexit

Freedom of Movement
31
13%
Single Market Access
62
25%
Both of the Above
102
41%
Neither of the Above
53
21%
 
Total votes : 248

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Wolfmanne2
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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:16 am

Lamadia III wrote:
Frank Zipper wrote:


So if Lamadia can't understand your post it's your fault. When you can't understand Lamadia's post it is also your fault.

:rofl:

Oh Frank, I remember when I was young and naive like you! :roll: Oh yes, I forgot- I've never been like that. ;)
The difference between the two situations (Vanessor not understanding my post, me deliberately not understanding Nihillistic's post), is that the latter used by entire post and replied to only a small part of it without being clear which bit he was addressing. Vanessor did not understand the clear English used in that post, or at least the reasoning behind it.
I think wolf is right. You have imported the Corbynista mentality into the conservatives. Make a load of bollocks up, abuse the people calling out your bollocks, follow that by making up more bollocks. Maybe you should join momentum.

If you do prefer the Conservatives over Labour don't ever stand as a candidate at any election. You don't have the political aptitude for it.

Yeah.... I do.

No you don't.

Imagine myself (as a Labourite), you and Nihil (Tory) were on a local council. If I had to go to someone to talk to from your side of the bench, I'd go to Nihil. His views are widely differing from me and there would be little common ground for us to agree on, but I can actually speak to him without being disrespected or abused. If you're failing to get on with members of your own party, why are you suited to having a political role at all?
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Postby Frank Zipper » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:17 am

Priceless
Put this in your signature if you are easily led.

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The Nihilistic view
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:17 am

Actually scratch that last one, I'm apparently part of the red peril now.
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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:18 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:Actually scratch that last one, I'm apparently part of the red peril now.


Let me guess.

You have a dangerous socialist attitude?
I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
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Postby Lamadia III » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:18 am

Valaran wrote:
Lamadia III wrote:

Yeah.... I do.

There's only way to prove it...

Game on!
In 2035, I'll send a letter to your house with a newsclipping of me entering Downing Street, with a little note which says; 'told you so'!
The Nihilistic view wrote:
Philjia wrote:
It's all Thatcher's fault. That's when the Conservatives really switched from "We're doing this because it's practical" to "We're doing this because left wing ideas are bad".


Oh Thatcher had a coherent ideological argument, so far I have yet to discern one in Lamadia other than I'm rich you lot are all poor nah nah na nah nah.

That's nonsense. Just because you disagree with the Tory mentality, you use the class stereotype around us in the Conservative Party to hit back. Maybe if Labour attempted to argue rather than focus on class (which Thatcher did a lot to eradicate in terms of hindrance,) then you would be elected.
EDIT: Didn't realise that it was Nihil who had posted that.
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Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:20 am

Lamadia III wrote:
Frank Zipper wrote:


So if Lamadia can't understand your post it's your fault. When you can't understand Lamadia's post it is also your fault.

:rofl:

Oh Frank, I remember when I was young and naive like you! :roll: Oh yes, I forgot- I've never been like that. ;)
The difference between the two situations (Vanessor not understanding my post, me deliberately not understanding Nihillistic's post), is that the latter used by entire post and replied to only a small part of it without being clear which bit he was addressing. Vanessor did not understand the clear English used in that post, or at least the reasoning behind it.
I think wolf is right. You have imported the Corbynista mentality into the conservatives. Make a load of bollocks up, abuse the people calling out your bollocks, follow that by making up more bollocks. Maybe you should join momentum.

If you do prefer the Conservatives over Labour don't ever stand as a candidate at any election. You don't have the political aptitude for it.

Yeah.... I do.

Since you enjoy whining about reading comprehension so much, I thought I'd point out that it's "Vassenor", not "Vanessor".

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Postby Valaran » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:21 am

Lamadia III wrote:Game on!
In 2035, I'll send a letter to your house with a newsclipping of me entering Downing Street, with a little note which says; 'told you so'!


Lamadia III wrote:Oh Frank, I remember when I was young and naive like you! :roll: Oh yes, I forgot- I've never been like that. ;)


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I'll be waiting patiently ;)
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Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
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Frank Zipper
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Postby Frank Zipper » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:21 am

This is comedy gold.
Put this in your signature if you are easily led.

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Postby Philjia » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:22 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Philjia wrote:
It's all Thatcher's fault. That's when the Conservatives really switched from "We're doing this because it's practical" to "We're doing this because left wing ideas are bad".


Oh Thatcher had a coherent ideological argument, so far I have yet to discern one in Lamadia other than I'm rich you lot are all poor only private scholls make you a good person nah nah na nah nah.


Thatcherism as described by the Labour Party?
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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:22 am

I'll be waiting for one too. With great amusement if I end up in some field like public affairs or political party work (the latter of which is slowly becoming less of a likelihood as Momentum takes over the party machinery).
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Mad hatters in jeans wrote:Yeah precipitating on everyone doesn't go down well usually. You seem patient enough to chat to us, i'm willing to count that as nice.

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Postby Valaran » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:22 am

Anyway, as I've long thought, I find it difficult to believe that Lamadia is doing anything but deliberately caricaturing certain Tory stereotypes.
I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:22 am

Lamadia III wrote:
Valaran wrote:There's only way to prove it...

Game on!
In 2035, I'll send a letter to your house with a newsclipping of me entering Downing Street, with a little note which says; 'told you so'!

"Woman arrested attempting to force entry to 10 Downing Street"
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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:23 am

Frank Zipper wrote:This is comedy gold.

I actually think it's pretty horrible. As someone who is been told 'oh you're not a proper Labourite' or (most recently) 'the modern liberal masquerading as a socialist takes a bow', it is really stinging to be told you don't belong in a party that you fundamentally want to get into government and make a difference.
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Mad hatters in jeans wrote:Yeah precipitating on everyone doesn't go down well usually. You seem patient enough to chat to us, i'm willing to count that as nice.

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Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:24 am

Wolfmanne2 wrote:I was a bit unfair on the Corbynists if I'm honest, many of them aren't the sanctimonious sort that act as the Grand Inquisitor for who is and isn't a 'propa Labourite', so in advance I'd like to apologise for the broad stroke.


Wolfmanne2 wrote:I was a bit unfair on the Corbynists


Never thought I'd see Wolf say that.

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Postby Philjia » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:25 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:Actually scratch that last one, I'm apparently part of the red peril now.


Don't worry, you'll have plenty of company. Like most Conservative prime ministers between the years 1868 and 1979.
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⚧ Trans rights. ⚧
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Postby Lamadia III » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:26 am

Ifreann wrote:
Lamadia III wrote:Game on!
In 2035, I'll send a letter to your house with a newsclipping of me entering Downing Street, with a little note which says; 'told you so'!

"Woman arrested attempting to force entry to 10 Downing Street"

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:26 am

Valaran wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:Actually scratch that last one, I'm apparently part of the red peril now.


Let me guess.

You have a dangerous socialist attitude?


I have said before I once gave a coffee to a homeless person on a cold rainy November evening in Leeds. I guess I just did not realise how much that affected my attitude. Since that day I must have been getting steadily more dangerous.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:28 am

Ifreann wrote:
Lamadia III wrote:Game on!
In 2035, I'll send a letter to your house with a newsclipping of me entering Downing Street, with a little note which says; 'told you so'!

"Woman arrested attempting to force entry to 10 Downing Street"


"Accuses the police of having a dangerous socialist attitude"
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Philjia
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Postby Philjia » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:30 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Ifreann wrote:"Woman arrested attempting to force entry to 10 Downing Street"


"Accuses the police of having a dangerous socialist attitude"


Well, it makes a change from being called fascists.
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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:31 am

Anywhere Else But Here wrote:
Wolfmanne2 wrote:I was a bit unfair on the Corbynists if I'm honest, many of them aren't the sanctimonious sort that act as the Grand Inquisitor for who is and isn't a 'propa Labourite', so in advance I'd like to apologise for the broad stroke.


Wolfmanne2 wrote:I was a bit unfair on the Corbynists


Never thought I'd see Wolf say that.

I'll still fight them at conference to prove who truly is the 'ard left.
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Mad hatters in jeans wrote:Yeah precipitating on everyone doesn't go down well usually. You seem patient enough to chat to us, i'm willing to count that as nice.

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:32 am

Also it's come up so much now my predictive text has started feeding me "socialist" every time I write the word "dangerous". :rofl:
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:37 am

Valaran wrote:Anyway, as I've long thought, I find it difficult to believe that Lamadia is doing anything but deliberately caricaturing certain Tory stereotypes.


So we're calling Poe's Law on all this?
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Postby Elepis » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:37 am

Lamadia III wrote:
Valaran wrote:There's only way to prove it...

Game on!
In 2035, I'll send a letter to your house with a newsclipping of me entering Downing Street, with a little note which says; 'told you so'!
The Nihilistic view wrote:
Oh Thatcher had a coherent ideological argument, so far I have yet to discern one in Lamadia other than I'm rich you lot are all poor nah nah na nah nah.

That's nonsense. Just because you disagree with the Tory mentality, you use the class stereotype around us in the Conservative Party to hit back. Maybe if Labour attempted to argue rather than focus on class (which Thatcher did a lot to eradicate in terms of hindrance,) then you would be elected.
EDIT: Didn't realise that it was Nihil who had posted that.


But class does matter, it is the foundation of our entire social and economic system, so focusing on class is a coherent argument
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Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
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Postby Elepis » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:39 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Valaran wrote:
Let me guess.

You have a dangerous socialist attitude?


I have said before I once gave a coffee to a homeless person on a cold rainy November evening in Leeds. I guess I just did not realise how much that affected my attitude. Since that day I must have been getting steadily more dangerous.


everyone in Leeds deserves free coffee, and for just £5 a month, you can make that happen
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Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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Postby Lamadia III » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:39 am

Elepis wrote:
Lamadia III wrote:Game on!
In 2035, I'll send a letter to your house with a newsclipping of me entering Downing Street, with a little note which says; 'told you so'!

That's nonsense. Just because you disagree with the Tory mentality, you use the class stereotype around us in the Conservative Party to hit back. Maybe if Labour attempted to argue rather than focus on class (which Thatcher did a lot to eradicate in terms of hindrance,) then you would be elected.
EDIT: Didn't realise that it was Nihil who had posted that.


But class does matter, it is the foundation of our entire social and economic system, so focusing on class is a coherent argument

But using my class to dismiss my argument is the same as me doing the same to you, you dismissing Obama's point because he is black, dismissing May's points because she is a woman.
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DANGEROUS SOCIALISM- Envy politics | Prevelant among liberal, labour & feminist movements; ie. prejudice against the wealthy

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