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Postby Nariterrr » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:18 pm

I have this question for theists, it's kind of the reason I'm an agnostic.

There are five main religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism) and 4,195 smaller religions. That means that, statistically, you have a 1 in 4,200 chance, or 0.0002% chance of being a member of the correct religion, assuming that the correct religion is existing. Why is it that your religion, your one religion, that you happened to be born in, is the right religion? And how come every other religion, which says that it preaches the truth, is wrong? How come you were the lucky one to be born in the correct religion? Are you not a atheist to every religion besides your own?

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Postby Aelex » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:19 pm

What about us converts? :eyebrow:
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:20 pm

I wasn't born in my current faith, so I'm not sure this is applicable to me.
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Postby Nariterrr » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:20 pm

Aelex wrote:What about us converts? :eyebrow:

How do you know that the religion that you converted to is the correct religion, out of the 4,199 others?
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:21 pm

You are being generous with your numbers. Many of those religions have a number of sects.

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Postby Rannoria » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:21 pm

Nariterrr wrote:I have this question for theists, it's kind of the reason I'm an agnostic.

There are five main religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism) and 4,195 smaller religions. That means that, statistically, you have a 1 in 4,200 chance, or 0.0002% chance of being a member of the correct religion, assuming that the correct religion is existing. Why is it that your religion, your one religion, that you happened to be born in, is the right religion? And how come every other religion, which says that it preaches the truth, is wrong? How come you were the lucky one to be born in the correct religion? Are you not a atheist to every religion besides your own?

Discuss.

Well, first of all I'd say your statistics are wrong. Though right, wrong. I think you'll have to take pop into account. Next, well, I dunno. I believe what my God says (I'm a Christian) and it's definitely better than Atheism because at the least you have a chance of having the right god. Also science backs up Christianity(-ish. It is proven Jesus did exist I believe), so there's that.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:22 pm

Rannoria wrote:Also science backs up Christianity(-ish. It is proven Jesus did exist I believe), so there's that.


proof of jesus existence is not proof of jesus divinity
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:22 pm

Nariterrr wrote:
Aelex wrote:What about us converts? :eyebrow:

How do you know that the religion that you converted to is the correct religion, out of the 4,199 others?

Well, frankly, I don't, I just chose one that seems relatively plausible and that I felt a spiritual connection to.
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Postby Aelex » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:23 pm

Nariterrr wrote:
Aelex wrote:What about us converts? :eyebrow:

How do you know that the religion that you converted to is the correct religion, out of the 4,199 others?

How do you know that it isn't? Ever heard of the concept of Probatio Diabolica?
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Postby Nariterrr » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:23 pm

Rannoria wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:I have this question for theists, it's kind of the reason I'm an agnostic.

There are five main religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism) and 4,195 smaller religions. That means that, statistically, you have a 1 in 4,200 chance, or 0.0002% chance of being a member of the correct religion, assuming that the correct religion is existing. Why is it that your religion, your one religion, that you happened to be born in, is the right religion? And how come every other religion, which says that it preaches the truth, is wrong? How come you were the lucky one to be born in the correct religion? Are you not a atheist to every religion besides your own?

Discuss.

Well, first of all I'd say your statistics are wrong. Though right, wrong. I think you'll have to take pop into account. Next, well, I dunno. I believe what my God says (I'm a Christian) and it's definitely better than Atheism because at the least you have a chance of having the right god. Also science backs up Christianity(-ish. It is proven Jesus did exist I believe), so there's that.

Pascals wager is dumb, it's like saying you should believe in flying donkeys because if you don't you have the possibility of being tortured by said flying for the rest of eternity.
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Postby The Great Devourer of All » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:24 pm

Good question. As an atheist, I can tell you that there is no answer other than bible-beating or the equivalent, which would of course lead to a cyclical argument.
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Postby Rannoria » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:25 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Rannoria wrote:Also science backs up Christianity(-ish. It is proven Jesus did exist I believe), so there's that.


proof of jesus existence is not proof of jesus divinity

It's good enough.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:26 pm

There is no correct religion (not the point of religion) as the universe is predeterministic.

No one chooses anything all things are developed ever so long ago. I say this knowing how many eons old I am.
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Postby Nariterrr » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:26 pm

Aelex wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:How do you know that the religion that you converted to is the correct religion, out of the 4,199 others?

How do you know that it isn't? Ever heard of the concept of Probatio Diabolica?

Your right, the lack of evidence doesn't mean God doesn't exist. We don't have evidence Zeus doesn't exist, but the burden of proof lies on the person making the claim, this is the reason not many people believe in Zeus.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:26 pm

The Great Devourer of All wrote:Good question. As an atheist, I can tell you that there is no answer other than bible-beating or the equivalent, which would of course lead to a cyclical argument.

You say that being a member of the Ctan.
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Postby Nariterrr » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:27 pm

Rannoria wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
proof of jesus existence is not proof of jesus divinity

It's good enough.

Mohammad existed, does that prove that Islam is true?
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Postby Xelsis » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:27 pm

There are infinite numbers. Therefore the odds that your answer to 2+2 is correct is one in infinity.
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Postby Jumalariik » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:27 pm

Nariterrr wrote:I have this question for theists, it's kind of the reason I'm an agnostic.

There are five main religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism) and 4,195 smaller religions. That means that, statistically, you have a 1 in 4,200 chance, or 0.0002% chance of being a member of the correct religion, assuming that the correct religion is existing. Why is it that your religion, your one religion, that you happened to be born in, is the right religion? And how come every other religion, which says that it preaches the truth, is wrong? How come you were the lucky one to be born in the correct religion? Are you not a atheist to every religion besides your own?

Discuss.

"There are x theories on y thing, therefore there is 1/x chance you are right."

That's not how the world works. Some posited solutions to the "big questions" are more logical and therefore more likely to be true than others. For example, monotheism is more logical than polytheism. Further, religions that are not based in some sort of single ethnicity or locale are more likely to be true.

"God" for Christians is not a subjective entity that has random attributes, God is not contingent on reality, as Zeus and Aphrodite would be, but reality is contingent on God. Basically only monotheists (and henotheists maybe) believe in such a God.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:27 pm

Nariterrr wrote:
Aelex wrote:How do you know that it isn't? Ever heard of the concept of Probatio Diabolica?

Your right, the lack of evidence doesn't mean God doesn't exist. We don't have evidence Zeus doesn't exist, but the burden of proof lies on the person making the claim, this is the reason not many people believe in Zeus.

I disagree the Olympians have quite a few believers, and I know Zeus. They lost out the right to rule the planet to El, and Asherah.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:27 pm

Rannoria wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
proof of jesus existence is not proof of jesus divinity

It's good enough.


how

there's proof that mohammed exists but i don't see you saying there's scientific backing for islam
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Postby Rannoria » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:28 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Rannoria wrote:It's good enough.


how

there's proof that mohammed exists but i don't see you saying there's scientific proof of islam

Well I'm not a Muslim so I don't give myself the authority to answer that question, especially on a topic like this.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:29 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:I wasn't born in my current faith, so I'm not sure this is applicable to me.

You are right as fate determined your choice of accepting faith long ago.
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Postby Nariterrr » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:29 pm

Jumalariik wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:I have this question for theists, it's kind of the reason I'm an agnostic.

There are five main religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism) and 4,195 smaller religions. That means that, statistically, you have a 1 in 4,200 chance, or 0.0002% chance of being a member of the correct religion, assuming that the correct religion is existing. Why is it that your religion, your one religion, that you happened to be born in, is the right religion? And how come every other religion, which says that it preaches the truth, is wrong? How come you were the lucky one to be born in the correct religion? Are you not a atheist to every religion besides your own?

Discuss.

"There are x theories on y thing, therefore there is 1/x chance you are right."

That's not how the world works. Some posited solutions to the "big questions" are more logical and therefore more likely to be true than others. For example, monotheism is more logical than polytheism. Further, religions that are not based in some sort of single ethnicity or locale are more likely to be true.

"God" for Christians is not a subjective entity that has random attributes, God is not contingent on reality, as Zeus and Aphrodite would be, but reality is contingent on God. Basically only monotheists (and henotheists maybe) believe in such a God.

We are talking about your religion, not your belief in god, how do you know that your beliefs system is the correct belief system out of the 4,200 that are out there are currently (not to mention all the religions of the old).
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