Scottish Independence 2016?

[Harold I]

Well, it seems more like France vetoed the idea of a special deal for Scotland, as part of the United Kingdom.

France may be open to negotiating with an independent Scotland as a new applicant for the European Union. Of course, that doesn't guarantee the same for all other members, and I am unsure how many Scots are willing to take the risk of declaring independence to maybe join the European Union and adopt the Euro.

They want independence, only to seek membership of the EU, it is an odd position to take in my opinion.

I find it ironic that they want to leave one union to become independent to then join another losing the power to make laws at Holyrood. Still, it's their country I suppose.

[Wolfmanne2]

Well, it seems more like France vetoed the idea of a special deal for Scotland, as part of the United Kingdom.

France may be open to negotiating with an independent Scotland as a new applicant for the European Union. Of course, that doesn't guarantee the same for all other members, and I am unsure how many Scots are willing to take the risk of declaring independence to maybe join the European Union and adopt the Euro.

They want independence, only to seek membership of the EU, it is an odd position to take in my opinion.

It is a terrible idea. The Scots export far more to the rest of the UK then to the EU, considering we're not going to be the Single Market it doesn't make any economic sense. Leaving the EU might not had made economic sense for the UK as a whole and was completely irrational, but it happened it would be ironic if the SNP left to join the EU despite the irrationality.

[Parti Ouvrier]

They want independence, only to seek membership of the EU, it is an odd position to take in my opinion.

It is a terrible idea. The Scots export far more to the rest of the UK then to the EU, considering we're not going to be the Single Market it doesn't make any economic sense. Leaving the EU might not had made economic sense for the UK as a whole and was completely irrational, but it happened it would be ironic if the SNP left to join the EU despite the irrationality.

At this point, I take the the position that the best Brexit deal for the whole of the UK is to stay in the single market.

[Wolfmanne2]

It is a terrible idea. The Scots export far more to the rest of the UK then to the EU, considering we're not going to be the Single Market it doesn't make any economic sense. Leaving the EU might not had made economic sense for the UK as a whole and was completely irrational, but it happened it would be ironic if the SNP left to join the EU despite the irrationality.

At this point, I take the the position that the best Brexit deal for the whole of the UK is to stay in the single market.

I want that, but May has ruled that out already.

[Parti Ouvrier]

At this point, I take the the position that the best Brexit deal for the whole of the UK is to stay in the single market.

I want that, but May has ruled that out already.

When did she say that and where?
Also, I came across this recently.
https://twitter.com/EFTA4UK?lang=en-gb

[Harold I]

At this point, I take the the position that the best Brexit deal for the whole of the UK is to stay in the single market.

I want that, but May has ruled that out already.

I feel they really need to hurry up and trigger Article 50 to try and get the best possible deal, and establish our position in Europe and in the world.

[The Two Jerseys]

They want independence, only to seek membership of the EU, it is an odd position to take in my opinion.

It is a terrible idea. The Scots export far more to the rest of the UK then to the EU, considering we're not going to be the Single Market it doesn't make any economic sense. Leaving the EU might not had made economic sense for the UK as a whole and was completely irrational, but it happened it would be ironic if the SNP left to join the EU despite the irrationality.

What a waste, after Salmond and Sturgeon had already decreed that Westminster will let independent Scotland keep using the pound...

[Parhe]

It is a terrible idea. The Scots export far more to the rest of the UK then to the EU, considering we're not going to be the Single Market it doesn't make any economic sense. Leaving the EU might not had made economic sense for the UK as a whole and was completely irrational, but it happened it would be ironic if the SNP left to join the EU despite the irrationality.

What a waste, after Salmond and Sturgeon had already decreed that Westminster will let independent Scotland keep using the pound...

Out of curiosity, what can a country even do (realistically) against another nation using the same currency without any sort of permission? I understand that the user loses out on having no voice over the currency, but I cannot imagine a nation retaliating.

[Wolfmanne2]

I want that, but May has ruled that out already.

When did she say that and where?
Also, I came across this recently.
https://twitter.com/EFTA4UK?lang=en-gb

The BBA is lobbying for a Swiss-style deal as the Single Market idea was rejected. David Davis (not May, my bad) has ruled out the Single Market.

We can still be part of the EFTA without being in the Single Market.

[Parti Ouvrier]

I want that, but May has ruled that out already.

I feel they really need to hurry up and trigger Article 50 to try and get the best possible deal, and establish our position in Europe and in the world.

The general consensus is to wait until France and Germany have had there elections next year. The French and German governments will be more focused when negotiating post elections.

[Herargon]

Aye and yea. Alba gú brath. I think Scotland should withgain its selfstandinghyde. However, the EU would have to welcome them into their group, and that needs a stemming in every land of the EU, which itself is a great task...

But we'd have to write a new EU directive about the spelling of whiskey/whisky.

It's whisky.

Trewleaseness! Everyone knows it's clearly the only and one whiskey.

[Parti Ouvrier]

When did she say that and where?
Also, I came across this recently.
https://twitter.com/EFTA4UK?lang=en-gb

The BBA is lobbying for a Swiss-style deal as the Single Market idea was rejected. David Davis (not May, my bad) has ruled out the Single Market.

We can still be part of the EFTA without being in the Single Market.

Well, this is proof that Dim David Davis hasn't got a clue.

[Harold I]

I feel they really need to hurry up and trigger Article 50 to try and get the best possible deal, and establish our position in Europe and in the world.

The general consensus is to wait until France and Germany have had there elections next year. The French and German governments will be more focused when negotiating post elections.

Oh, I forgot about those elections. It might not do the economic uncertainty (if there is any) much good, but if Hollande or Merkel are ousted, then we might get a reasonable deal.

[Wolfmanne2]

The BBA is lobbying for a Swiss-style deal as the Single Market idea was rejected. David Davis (not May, my bad) has ruled out the Single Market.

We can still be part of the EFTA without being in the Single Market.

Well, this is proof that Dim David Davis hasn't got a clue.

Aye.

I feel bad for Scotland. England and Wales have screwed them over no matter whether they remain in the UK or become independent.

[Souseiseki]

Well, this is proof that Dim David Davis hasn't got a clue.

Aye.

I feel bad for Scotland. England and Wales have screwed them over no matter whether they remain in the UK or become independent.

don't steal my scottish scottish scottish

[Risottia]

Why on earth would we veto the Scottish accession?

I thought it was something to do with Veneto but am not sure.

No Italian region has a separatist movement enjoying a significant support. Even the Suedtiroler want to stay in Italy, they're fine with the large autonomy they enjoy.

[Orban Pamuk]

The BBA is lobbying for a Swiss-style deal as the Single Market idea was rejected. David Davis (not May, my bad) has ruled out the Single Market.

We can still be part of the EFTA without being in the Single Market.

Well, this is proof that Dim David Davis hasn't got a clue.

I googled that guy-and-he looks like if Viktor Yuschenko and Julian Assange had a baby.

[The Two Jerseys]

What a waste, after Salmond and Sturgeon had already decreed that Westminster will let independent Scotland keep using the pound...

Out of curiosity, what can a country even do (realistically) against another nation using the same currency without any sort of permission? I understand that the user loses out on having no voice over the currency, but I cannot imagine a nation retaliating.

Well, unless independent Scotland is actually printing British pounds I doubt it would really be a problem, considering there's several countries that use the US dollar as a local currency. I'm just more annoyed at the SNP insisting that Westminster will kowtow to them if they declare independence.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I mean considering how many wanted to stay on the condition of being in the EU, yes, for once I will back the nationalist horse on this one.

[Greed and Death]

Brexit made me a Scottish independence supporter.

You already voted to remain so you are SOL. In other news as part of Brexit they are privatizing the NHS to be like the American system.

[Merther]

If they want to declare independance, France will be there for them.

We still remember the Auld Alliance It would be a pleasure to help them if they need.

[Marcurix]

My vote will remain as it did in 2014 - No.

Because while the Brexit is a very bitter loss for me personally, the similarities between the-Leave and Scottish "Yes" campaign were far too many for me to be comfortable choosing that option.

Unless they've suddenly managed to start addressing legitimate questions regarding currency, the border, defense, larger financial framework and so on, it isn't going to change.

And given the language in recent meetings, that's not likely.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

Scotland should deshackle itself from England and then go and declare itself part of Scandinavia:)

No, no, no. Scotland should join their Celtic cousins in the Republic of Ireland. The primary benefits of this would be remaining within the EU, and trolling people with RL border gore.

I could get behind this.

[Great Kauthar]

My vote will remain as it did in 2014 - No.

Because while the Brexit is a very bitter loss for me personally, the similarities between the-Leave and Scottish "Yes" campaign were far too many for me to be comfortable choosing that option.

Unless they've suddenly managed to start addressing legitimate questions regarding currency, the border, defense, larger financial framework and so on, it isn't going to change.

And given the language in recent meetings, that's not likely.

In the long term, Scotland's leadership won't end up incompetent. In the short term it will, and it will be through loss that the people of Scotland will wake up and realise it's a terrible idea to continue electing the SNP. We'll either get the tories or some currently minor party (SLP, Solidarity or a party that isnt even formed yet)

[The Huskar Social Union]

If they want to then they should be able to.