Scottish Independence 2016?

[Great Kauthar]

I read somewhere that Scotland wouldn't even qualify, fiscally, to join the European Union and that it may not gain the approval of all the current members, like Italy and Spain. Do y'all know if there is any truth to that? Not to say this is the only reason people may want an independent Scotland, but it seems Scotland may be left out of the European Union for the foreseeable future, unless the United Kingdom as a whole turns around on this.

Yes. Spain would (hopefully... pLEASE) veto us because they wouldn't want to give the Catalans any extra motive for independence.

Well I mean, it is OUR oil.
We just need to cut welfare spending, trident spending, military spending and everything else that is unnecessary, oh and maybe elect a leadership that is competent and knows what they're doing. This country is fucked beyond repair anyway.

Send in the Jacobites, we need to get Scotland wrecked.

tbh the Jacobites will fix Scotland. The Rìoghachd na h-Alba must be brought back!

[Risottia]

is this a joke

No, Glasgow is.

That's why Edinberra's gonna be the capital.

[Risottia]

I read somewhere that Scotland wouldn't even qualify, fiscally, to join the European Union and that it may not gain the approval of all the current members, like Italy and Spain.

Why on earth would we veto the Scottish accession?

[Parhe]

I read somewhere that Scotland wouldn't even qualify, fiscally, to join the European Union and that it may not gain the approval of all the current members, like Italy and Spain.

Why on earth would we veto the Scottish accession?

I thought it was something to do with Veneto but am not sure.

[Vassenor]

I read somewhere that Scotland wouldn't even qualify, fiscally, to join the European Union and that it may not gain the approval of all the current members, like Italy and Spain.

Why on earth would we veto the Scottish accession?

Spain would probably do it to keep the Basques from getting uppity.

[Great Kauthar]

Why on earth would we veto the Scottish accession?

Spain would probably do it to keep the Basques from getting uppity.

and the Catalans, not like that would deter the Basques but it could deal a strong blow to the Catalan independence movement. Visca Catalunya, Askatu Euskal Herria!

[Great Kauthar]

Oi, Glasgow > Edinburgh
but I mean, both are bad. They are in the lowlands after all.

I thought Edinburgh was quite nice tbh.

ye man okay :^)))))

[Ifreann]

I read somewhere that Scotland wouldn't even qualify, fiscally, to join the European Union and that it may not gain the approval of all the current members, like Italy and Spain. Do y'all know if there is any truth to that? Not to say this is the only reason people may want an independent Scotland, but it seems Scotland may be left out of the European Union for the foreseeable future, unless the United Kingdom as a whole turns around on this.

Yes. Spain would (hopefully... pLEASE) veto us because they wouldn't want to give the Catalans any extra motive for independence.

Spain couldn't veto you if you joined Ireland.

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I read somewhere that Scotland wouldn't even qualify, fiscally, to join the European Union and that it may not gain the approval of all the current members, like Italy and Spain.

Why on earth would we veto the Scottish accession?

Can't let those Tuscan separatists get any ideas.

[The Two Jerseys]

What, the SNP's "We can go it alone, all we need is for oil prices to rise again!" platform?

I'll say it's a joke.

no the idea you actually think a deficit under certain circumstances means you can't run yourselves forever, posted from a country currently running a deficit

I'm not saying that running a deficit makes them unfit to run themselves. I'm saying that relying on volatile petroleum prices for their revenue while taking on additional expenses that Westminster isn't covering anymore makes them unfit to run themselves.

[Great Kauthar]

Yes. Spain would (hopefully... pLEASE) veto us because they wouldn't want to give the Catalans any extra motive for independence.

Spain couldn't veto you if you joined Ireland.

Only if Ulaidh is returned and Cymru joins us. Greater Dal Riata will rise!

[Wolfmanne2]

Scotland couldn't go independent. Oil prices have shot down, they'd have to adopt the Euro, their deficit would be a ticking time bomb due to the SNP's recklessness in spending and keeping taxation low and most importantly EU ascension would be difficult as Spain and France would veto them. Plus they trade far more with the rest of the UK then the EU, it doesn't make sense to join just to retain access to the European Single Market.

EDIT: Full Fiscal Autonomy is not necessarily a good idea either, it would wreck the Scottish economy. If the SNP want it then they can have it, it would help in getting rid of them quicker as they continue to fuck up the economy.

[Great Kauthar]

Scotland couldn't go independent. Oil prices have shot down, they'd have to adopt the Euro, their deficit would be a ticking time bomb due to the SNP's recklessness in spending and keeping taxation low and most importantly EU ascension would be difficult as Spain and France would veto them. Plus they trade far more with the rest of the UK then the EU, it doesn't make sense to join just to retain access to the European Single Market.

well they have to keep taxation low considering it's theft and violates the NAP. France wouldn't veto us, if anything Spain would be the only one to possibly veto us.

[Wolfmanne2]

Scotland couldn't go independent. Oil prices have shot down, they'd have to adopt the Euro, their deficit would be a ticking time bomb due to the SNP's recklessness in spending and keeping taxation low and most importantly EU ascension would be difficult as Spain and France would veto them. Plus they trade far more with the rest of the UK then the EU, it doesn't make sense to join just to retain access to the European Single Market.

well they have to keep taxation low considering it's theft and violates the NAP. France wouldn't veto us, if anything Spain would be the only one to possibly veto us.

Starting facepalming from the word theft.

And France already vetoed months ago.

[Parti Ouvrier]

In recent months, since the UK voted in favour of Brexit, there has been a lot of talk of Scotland having a second referendum, because Scotland voted to remain 62% to 38%. The First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, said that "the UK we voted for in 2014 doesn't exist anymore". This comes after many Scottish voters voted to stay in the UK because of an assurance that the UK would remain in the EU during the campaign in the Scottish referendum.

Theresa May has suggested a UK wide deal, post Brexit vote. I believe an EFTA type deal would be a good compromise that could satisfy the whole of the UK (still have access to the single market).

After seeing the results of the EU referendum, I am curious as to how Scotland now feels about Scottish Independence. I think that I would rather have Scotland remain in the UK, but if it was the wish for the majority of Scottish people to gain independence, I would respect and accept the result. I would also rather see a federal United Kingdom, with England, Wales and Scotland each having maximum devolution and try to work something out for Northern Ireland separately.

If it came down to it, I would accept it, but I do not believe it is the best option, nor do I support a federal UK. I would prefer a federal democratic republic of England, Scotland and Wales.

[Great Kauthar]

well they have to keep taxation low considering it's theft and violates the NAP. France wouldn't veto us, if anything Spain would be the only one to possibly veto us.

Stopped reading at theft.

And France already vetoed months ago.

wowowowowowowowow
okay you know what it's not like we were friends going back hundreds of years and that they were enemies of the english until not too long ago
great to see that France values our loyalty soooooo much.

[Parti Ouvrier]

Stopped reading at theft.

And France already vetoed months ago.

wowowowowowowowow
okay you know what it's not like we were friends going back hundreds of years and that they were enemies of the english until not too long ago
great to see that France values our loyalty soooooo much.

I think France does not want us in the EU because the UK's Anglo-American influence in the EU, (and want to keep Scotland out too).

[Wolfmanne2]

What, the SNP's "We can go it alone, all we need is for oil prices to rise again!" platform?

I'll say it's a joke.

no the idea you actually think a deficit under certain circumstances means you can't run yourselves forever, posted from a country currently running a deficit

The problem is that the SNP's spending is so reckless. Like 1000 times worse then New Labour's spending. Scotland is fucked even in the union, but at least it'll have the UK government to bail it out.

[Great Kauthar]

no the idea you actually think a deficit under certain circumstances means you can't run yourselves forever, posted from a country currently running a deficit

The problem is that the SNP's spending is so reckless. Like 1000 times worse then New Labour's spending. Scotland is fucked even in the union, but at least it'll have the UK government to bail it out.

The SNP are incompetent and are only in power because they're the only major nationalist party. Someone needs to oppose them now or Scotland will remain a single party state.

[Parhe]

Stopped reading at theft.

And France already vetoed months ago.

wowowowowowowowow
okay you know what it's not like we were friends going back hundreds of years and that they were enemies of the english until not too long ago
great to see that France values our loyalty soooooo much.

Well, it seems more like France vetoed the idea of a special deal for Scotland, as part of the United Kingdom.

France may be open to negotiating with an independent Scotland as a new applicant for the European Union. Of course, that doesn't guarantee the same for all other members, and I am unsure how many Scots are willing to take the risk of declaring independence to maybe join the European Union and adopt the Euro.

[Ifreann]

Spain couldn't veto you if you joined Ireland.

Only if Ulaidh is returned and Cymru joins us. Greater Dal Riata will rise!

Nah, Norn Iron can stay in the UK. Better border gore that way. Wales can do whatever. No one cares about Wales.

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Stopped reading at theft.

And France already vetoed months ago.

wowowowowowowowow
okay you know what it's not like we were friends going back hundreds of years and that they were enemies of the english until not too long ago
great to see that France values our loyalty soooooo much.

Perfidious Gaul?

[Wolfmanne2]

The problem is that the SNP's spending is so reckless. Like 1000 times worse then New Labour's spending. Scotland is fucked even in the union, but at least it'll have the UK government to bail it out.

The SNP are incompetent and are only in power because they're the only major nationalist party. Someone needs to oppose them now or Scotland will remain a single party state.

Doesn't matter. The desire for Scottish independence is fueling the success of the SNP. Ridiculous wet dreams about Scottish independence allows the SNP to ride the easy path to victory. If you don't like the SNP, don't advocate for Scottish independence because like it or not the future of Scotland will be shaped by the SNP.

[Wolfmanne2]

Really Scotland has two choices to save itself from bankruptcy: cut spending or raise taxes across the board, two things the SNP have flat out refused to do.

[Parti Ouvrier]

wowowowowowowowow
okay you know what it's not like we were friends going back hundreds of years and that they were enemies of the english until not too long ago
great to see that France values our loyalty soooooo much.

Well, it seems more like France vetoed the idea of a special deal for Scotland, as part of the United Kingdom.

France may be open to negotiating with an independent Scotland as a new applicant for the European Union. Of course, that doesn't guarantee the same for all other members, and I am unsure how many Scots are willing to take the risk of declaring independence to maybe join the European Union and adopt the Euro.

They want independence, only to seek membership of the EU, it is an odd position to take in my opinion.

[Great Kauthar]

The SNP are incompetent and are only in power because they're the only major nationalist party. Someone needs to oppose them now or Scotland will remain a single party state.

Doesn't matter. The desire for Scottish independence is fueling the success of the SNP. Ridiculous wet dreams about Scottish independence allows the SNP to ride the easy path to victory. If you don't like the SNP, don't advocate for Scottish independence because like it or not the future of Scotland will be shaped by the SNP.

Yeah man it sucks. I have to vote Tory, TORY! to try keep the SNP out of power in 2021/2020... it sucks ass man.

[Rio Cana]

I read somewhere that Scotland wouldn't even qualify, fiscally, to join the European Union and that it may not gain the approval of all the current members, like Italy and Spain. Do y'all know if there is any truth to that? Not to say this is the only reason people may want an independent Scotland, but it seems Scotland may be left out of the European Union for the foreseeable future, unless the United Kingdom as a whole turns around on this.

I think the UK. will drag there feet for decades on a new Scottish independence vote. Having said that, Scotland most likely could get plenty of extra money and other benefits by using the Independence card and reminding them that they said they would remain in the EU.