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Should Scotland become independent?

Yes (Scottish citizen)
15
8%
No (Scottish citizen)
11
6%
Devo-max (Scottish citizen)
0
No votes
Yes (Other)
104
52%
No (Other)
62
31%
Devo-max (Other)
7
4%
 
Total votes : 199

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Postby Great Kauthar » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:43 pm

Risottia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:No, no, no. Scotland should join their Celtic cousins in the Republic of Ireland. The primary benefits of this would be remaining within the EU, and trolling people with RL border gore.

But we'd have to write a new EU directive about the spelling of whiskey/whisky.

It's whisky.
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Postby Harold I » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:45 pm

Great Kauthar wrote:YES! But I don't know about now. The SNP are incompetent, lying morons.
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The Jaclean empire wrote:My opinion as an American doesn't matter, but I don't think Scotland breaking away is what the UK needs rn.

You're right, the only people who deserve any opinion on this situation are the people of Scotland.

Also for those that say Scotland can't survive independent: THINK AGAIN


The only part of that picture I'd say is a bit misleading is the oil, because of the collapse in oil prices, so that Scotland made £60 million in oil revenues, a 97% drop from the previous year. Other than that, I think Scotland would be able to prosper as an independent country.
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Postby Napkiraly » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:45 pm

All this talk of Scottish independence is making Edward I's grave stir.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:46 pm

Napkiraly wrote:All this talk of Scottish independence is making Edward I's grave stir.


Clearly we should just strap magnets to him and use him to generate clean power.
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Postby Great Kauthar » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:47 pm

Napkiraly wrote:All this talk of Scottish independence is making Edward I's grave stir.

legend says if you turn the lights off in a bathroom and say "You may take our lives, but you'll never take, OUR FREEDOM!" in a mirror three times he rises from the dead.
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Postby Nariterrr » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:48 pm

Napkiraly wrote:All this talk of Scottish independence is making Edward I's grave stir.

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Postby Napkiraly » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:49 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:All this talk of Scottish independence is making Edward I's grave stir.


Clearly we should just strap magnets to him and use him to generate clean power.

I'm thinking more performing some black magic fuckery to bring him back from the dead to drop the hammer.

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Postby Risottia » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:49 pm

Great Kauthar wrote:
Risottia wrote:But we'd have to write a new EU directive about the spelling of whiskey/whisky.

It's whisky.

Considering that Ireland is in the EU and Scotland is about to leave as part of the perfidious Albion, it's whiskey.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:49 pm

And where does the SNP think that Scotland is going to get the money it needs to run itself as an independent state?
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:51 pm

Great Kauthar wrote:
The East Marches wrote:Like the Scottish national animal, the Unicorn, an independent Scotland is quite imaginary.

The fact that the unicorn is the national animal of Scotland gives reason to believe that it could've existed at one point. They've been cited through history several times, and fossils of what's believed to be unicorns do exist.

Dragons must have existed too, since there's one on the flag of Wales.


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Ifreann wrote:No, no, no. Scotland should join their Celtic cousins in the Republic of Ireland. The primary benefits of this would be remaining within the EU, and trolling people with RL border gore.


Pretty sure the UN has declared by now that border gore provides a casus belli

Who would dare fight an army of Scotsmen gone mad on Buckfast?


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Ifreann wrote:No, no, no. Scotland should join their Celtic cousins in the Republic of Ireland. The primary benefits of this would be remaining within the EU, and trolling people with RL border gore.

But we'd have to write a new EU directive about the spelling of whiskey/whisky.

I'm sure the Scots won't mind adding an 'e'.


The Two Jerseys wrote:And where does the SNP think that Scotland is going to get the money it needs to run itself as an independent state?

EU, obvs.
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Postby Napkiraly » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:51 pm

Nariterrr wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:All this talk of Scottish independence is making Edward I's grave stir.

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I can't hear your cries of freedom over your cries of pain, Wallace.
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Postby Harold I » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:56 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:And where does the SNP think that Scotland is going to get the money it needs to run itself as an independent state?


It currently runs a deficit of £15 billion (or to be more precise, £14.8 billion), and the drop in the revenue stands at about £1.8 billion, but this was offset by £1.9 billion onshore revenue according the BBC. So when oil revenues go back up, they won't be running a deficit as high as they currently do.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37167975
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Postby Risottia » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:56 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Great Kauthar wrote:The fact that the unicorn is the national animal of Scotland gives reason to believe that it could've existed at one point. They've been cited through history several times, and fossils of what's believed to be unicorns do exist.

Dragons must have existed too, since there's one on the flag of Wales.

Also eagles brandishing a hammer and a sickle, as there's one on the coat of arms of Austria. This world is getting awesome.

Who would dare fight an army of Scotsmen gone mad on Buckfast?

A crowd of Irish football fans who have been told that beer won't be served on Sunday trains.

I'm sure the Scots won't mind adding an 'e'.

Dunno... we could have to bribe 'em.

The Two Jerseys wrote:And where does the SNP think that Scotland is going to get the money it needs to run itself as an independent state?

EU, obvs.

Just to spite the United Kingdom of Southern Great Britain.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:00 pm

Harold I wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:And where does the SNP think that Scotland is going to get the money it needs to run itself as an independent state?


It currently runs a deficit of £15 billion (or to be more precise, £14.8 billion), and the drop in the revenue stands at about £1.8 billion, but this was offset by £1.9 billion onshore revenue according the BBC. So when oil revenues go back up, they won't be running a deficit as high as they currently do.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37167975

In other words, they really can't afford to govern themselves.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:01 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Harold I wrote:
It currently runs a deficit of £15 billion (or to be more precise, £14.8 billion), and the drop in the revenue stands at about £1.8 billion, but this was offset by £1.9 billion onshore revenue according the BBC. So when oil revenues go back up, they won't be running a deficit as high as they currently do.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37167975

In other words, they really can't afford to govern themselves.


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Postby The East Marches » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:01 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:In other words, they really can't afford to govern themselves.


is this a joke


No, Glasgow is.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:07 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:In other words, they really can't afford to govern themselves.


is this a joke

What, the SNP's "We can go it alone, all we need is for oil prices to rise again!" platform?

I'll say it's a joke.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:08 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
is this a joke

What, the SNP's "We can go it alone, all we need is for oil prices to rise again!" platform?

I'll say it's a joke.


no the idea you actually think a deficit under certain circumstances means you can't run yourselves forever, posted from a country currently running a deficit
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Postby Great Kauthar » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:10 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
is this a joke

What, the SNP's "We can go it alone, all we need is for oil prices to rise again!" platform?

I'll say it's a joke.

Well I mean, it is OUR oil.
We just need to cut welfare spending, trident spending, military spending and everything else that is unnecessary, oh and maybe elect a leadership that is competent and knows what they're doing. This country is fucked beyond repair anyway.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:10 pm

All the oil has to do is last long enough for them to figure something else out.
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Postby Great Kauthar » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:11 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
is this a joke


No, Glasgow is.

Oi, Glasgow > Edinburgh
but I mean, both are bad. They are in the lowlands after all.
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Postby The Felnian Colonies » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:11 pm

Vassenor wrote:The whole point of Brexit was stopping a foreign power imposing their will on us.

At the same time imposing our will on the Scots over their own.

#logic

It was about Downing Street and Westminster wanting as much power as possible, so they got ready to cut themselves out of the EU.
Holyrood may do just as poorly in that respect.
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The Two Jerseys wrote:What, the SNP's "We can go it alone, all we need is for oil prices to rise again!" platform?

I'll say it's a joke.


no the idea you actually think a deficit under certain circumstances means you can't run yourselves forever, posted from a country currently running a deficit

B-b-but in America we hate deficits!
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Postby The Felnian Colonies » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:12 pm

Great Kauthar wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:What, the SNP's "We can go it alone, all we need is for oil prices to rise again!" platform?

I'll say it's a joke.

Well I mean, it is OUR oil.
We just need to cut welfare spending, trident spending, military spending and everything else that is unnecessary, oh and maybe elect a leadership that is competent and knows what they're doing. This country is fucked beyond repair anyway.

Send in the Jacobites, we need to get Scotland wrecked.
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Postby The East Marches » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:14 pm

Great Kauthar wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
No, Glasgow is.

Oi, Glasgow > Edinburgh
but I mean, both are bad. They are in the lowlands after all.


I thought Edinburgh was quite nice tbh.
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Scottish Independence 2016?

Postby Parhe » Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:22 pm

I read somewhere that Scotland wouldn't even qualify, fiscally, to join the European Union and that it may not gain the approval of all the current members, like Italy and Spain. Do y'all know if there is any truth to that? Not to say this is the only reason people may want an independent Scotland, but it seems Scotland may be left out of the European Union for the foreseeable future, unless the United Kingdom as a whole turns around on this.
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