Scottish Independence 2016?

[The Florists Union]

Considering nearly twice as many people in Scotland voted to remain in the UK as voted to remain in the EU, the argument that "A majority of Scots supported EU membership, therefore we should be independent" is the height of intellectual dishonesty.

Though to be fair, I expect nothing less than dishonesty from the SNP...

Didn't the EU vote get 60+%? While the independence referendum was around 55-46?

Yes, and he's incorrect. Only about 1.2 times as many people voted to remain in the UK as voted to remain in the EU.

[Paredonia]

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Didn't the EU vote get 60+%? While the independence referendum was around 55-46?

At face value, it DOES look like more Scots support EU membership than UK membership. BUT this is untrue. The EU ref got a MUCH lower turnout in Scotland than the indyref did. 62% of Scots voted for the EU, but on a turnout of just over 60%. However, 55.3% of Scots voted for the UK, but on a turnout of over 80%. That is a lot more people. The actual figures escape me but it was something like 2 million voted No but 1.6 million voted Remain. So Radiatia is correct.

[Eol Sha]

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Didn't the EU vote get 60+%? While the independence referendum was around 55-46?

At face value, it DOES look like more Scots support EU membership than UK membership. BUT this is untrue. The EU ref got a MUCH lower turnout in Scotland than the indyref did. 62% of Scots voted for the EU, but on a turnout of just over 60%. However, 55.3% of Scots voted for the UK, but on a turnout of over 80%. That is a lot more people. The actual figures escape me but it was something like 2 million voted No but 1.6 million voted Remain. So Radiatia is correct.

According to Wikipedia, Scottish turnout on Brexit was 67% and 84% in the independence referendum. 1.6 million people voted both "remain" and "leave", respectively.

[Paredonia]

According to Wikipedia, Scottish turnout on Brexit was 67% and 84% in the independence referendum. 1.6 million people voted both "remain" and "leave", respectively.

Indeed, neither are which are larger than the 2 million or so that voted to stay part of the UK.

[Eol Sha]

According to Wikipedia, Scottish turnout on Brexit was 67% and 84% in the independence referendum. 1.6 million people voted both "remain" and "leave", respectively.

Indeed, neither are which are larger than the 2 million or so that voted to stay part of the UK.

I guess so. Although, "nearly twice as many people" voting remain (UK) over remain (Brexit) is untrue.

[Paredonia]

I guess so. Although, "nearly twice as many people" voting remain (UK) over remain (Brexit) is untrue.

Well that's true, but as long as No voters are the majority and continue to be so, that's all that matters.

[Liberated England]

They had a Referendum on whether to stay in the UK or not, they decided to stay. I understand the reasoning behind your statement, but the UK doesn't belong to any one place, it's Scotland's as well as England's, Wales and Northern Ireland's. No one is exposing their will on Scotland.

Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU and we are dragging them out kicking and screaming.

Yeah, and Brighton did too, does that mean we're pulling them out in said fashion? Where do we draw the limits? My point was Scotland is part of the UK, voting on exactly the same terms as the rest of the country. The Country, the UK as a whole which Scotland is part of, voted to leave. That's called Democracy. Fair and simple.

[Paredonia]

Yeah, and Brighton did too, does that mean we're pulling them out in said fashion? Where do we draw the limits? My point was Scotland is part of the UK, voting on exactly the same terms as the rest of the country. The Country, the UK as a whole which Scotland is part of, voted to leave. That's called Democracy. Fair and simple.

You are quite right! But some of the more fanatical nationalists don't seem to realise that. They don't even think the UK is a country! Which is just completely laughable.

[Socialist Nordia]

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Didn't the EU vote get 60+%? While the independence referendum was around 55-46?

At face value, it DOES look like more Scots support EU membership than UK membership. BUT this is untrue. The EU ref got a MUCH lower turnout in Scotland than the indyref did. 62% of Scots voted for the EU, but on a turnout of just over 60%. However, 55.3% of Scots voted for the UK, but on a turnout of over 80%. That is a lot more people. The actual figures escape me but it was something like 2 million voted No but 1.6 million voted Remain. So Radiatia is correct.

I've always found it funny how 60% is low turnout in Britain. Here in the US, we're lucky to get that high in our elections. When we're not lucky... It's really bad.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... ince-wwii/

[Hirota]

Yougov says most scots do not want a second referendum

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/09/01/da ... -scotland/

[Wardie land]

They already voted on this, and besides their economy wouold be reduced to tatters if they boke away, they would almost certainly immediatly adopt a strong Socialist economic model, which is a sure fire way to destroy your economy, oil wouldn't be able to save it.

[New Benian Republic]

Hopefully my Celtic brothers in Scotland can successfully gain their independence this time.

[New Benian Republic]

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[Wolfmanne2]

Hopefully my Celtic brothers in Scotland can successfully gain their independence this time.

No their fate is to remain under the subjugation of we English, first starting by taking their land and finishing King Edward couldn't: taking their freedom.

[Jochizyd Republic]

I don't know, but it would be funny if they do.

[Paredonia]

I don't know, but it would be funny if they do.

Oh yeah, hilarious! Watching your country tear itself apart is always so laughable(!)

[Genivaria]

Since technically the UK is still a member of the EU I'd say wait and see, if they leave the EU then I fully support Scotland leaving the UK.

[Paredonia]

Since technically the UK is still a member of the EU I'd say wait and see, if they leave the EU then I fully support Scotland leaving the UK.

Even despite the fact most Scots don't want to?

[Harold I]

Since technically the UK is still a member of the EU I'd say wait and see, if they leave the EU then I fully support Scotland leaving the UK.

Even despite the fact most Scots don't want to?

Well the polls were wrong when an indication towards a remain vote was released. I wouldn't be too hasty to use them as proof.

[Dooom35796821595]

Even despite the fact most Scots don't want to?

Well the polls were wrong when an indication towards a remain vote was released. I wouldn't be too hasty to use them as proof.

So how about the 55-45 vote at the independance refferendum? Or are a nation who voted 66% for remain in EU going to go full brexit logic for scotxit.

(That's a terrible word, someone should find a better one. Although I'm not fond of the term brexit)

[Paredonia]

Even despite the fact most Scots don't want to?

Well the polls were wrong when an indication towards a remain vote was released. I wouldn't be too hasty to use them as proof.

That's about Brexit, that's a very different situation. And the Brexit vote was VERY close. Leave only barely won. Whereas the polls showed that Scottish independence would be close but in reality, The No vote won massively. Polls tend to greatly overestimate support for Scottish independence.