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by Katganistan » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:56 am

by Smirkeria » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:57 am
by Cannot think of a name » Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:06 am
New Grestin wrote:You know, I'm really fucking trying to keep my personal opinions of this woman out of the picture, but goddamn do I just not give a shit.
I mean, seriously, I can understand getting bent out of shape when it's the little guys getting doxxed.
But Leslie Jones? A....*sigh* technically a comedian with more money than I could possibly dream of?
You'll forgive me if I'm running a bit low on empathy.

by Seperates » Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:10 am

by Vlamistaatti » Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:12 am

by Equalaria » Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:23 am

by Arcipelago » Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:18 am
Seperates wrote:Given Leslie Jones propensity towards her own little jaunts into racism, and the over-reaction of Twitter towards banning Milo for some of his 'arguable' supporters (though Milo himself never did) posting racist twits... It was only a matter of time before some zealous nut did the 'justice' they thought was nessecery.
To say her life is in danger would be an exageration though. I doubt even Milo's fans would think that banning from twitter is comparable to death. Aside from that, get the police on it. Nothing to see here.

by Umezawa » Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:27 am
Seperates wrote:But, people also get hacked for many reasons, and this is likely not even related to the Milo incident.

by Imperializt Russia » Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:31 am
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.

by Khadgar » Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:33 am

by Zeinbrad » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:19 am
Neo Bavaria wrote:Shonburg wrote:Part of their literal job, as prescribed by POTUS and the USC, is to look into crimes of this nature.
US naval destroyers just opened fire on a group of Iranian gunboats, and you think that the Department of Homeland Security's priority right now should be to investigate pictures of a B-grade actress's vagina being leaked onto the internet? There are, possibly literally, a million more important things that they could be doing with taxpayer money than this.

by Gauthier » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:21 am

by Uiiop » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:11 am
Umezawa wrote:Seperates wrote:But, people also get hacked for many reasons, and this is likely not even related to the Milo incident.
I think it's tangentially related. Many people were annoyed with how twitter immediately jumped to Jones' defense when she tweeted out a bunch of questionable material herself, although she was clearly on the receiving end of most of it. Milo also received a ton of "abuse" daily that twitter did nothing about. A lot of people were upset by the double standard they have, and how they essentially used Milo as a scapegoat, which engendered more animosity towards Jones. Some of it may be misdirected, but the hacking appears to be an extension or an outgrowth from this event.

by Umezawa » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:33 am
Uiiop wrote:It's not about racism in itself that was the problem. It was that the fact racism was used to harass her. It's only a double standard if say they wanted people banned and/or abused for going "Pull up your pants damn blacks."
Also IIRC Milo was involved in sending it and had more of history of doing shit.

by Gauthier » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:38 am
Umezawa wrote:Uiiop wrote:It's not about racism in itself that was the problem. It was that the fact racism was used to harass her. It's only a double standard if say they wanted people banned and/or abused for going "Pull up your pants damn blacks."
Also IIRC Milo was involved in sending it and had more of history of doing shit.
I never directly mentioned racism in my post, although the tweets directed at Jones were tinged with racism. My point was Milo received a steady stream of "abusive" tweets and death threats that were never addressed by twitter, so in that sense there is a double standard. A right wing commentator copy and pasted some of Jones' tweets shortly after to illustrate this and was banned from twitter for it. She also was threatened and harassed but nothing was done about it. I'll link an article about this below.
Milo also wasn't directly responsible for the more egregious tweets sent to Jones that would constitute banneable offenses. I don't think social media, or anyone that matter, should hold public figures accountable for others' actions. The fact that the targeting of Jones has continued demonstrates that Milo wasn't the driving force behind it. He certainly stoked the flames, but there was already a good amount of negative sentiment directed towards her. I don't believe he ever explicitly called for any of his followers to "go after" her.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/breitbart-writer-uses-leslie-jones-words-on-twitter-is-threatened-and-banned/

by Uiiop » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:43 am
Umezawa wrote:Uiiop wrote:It's not about racism in itself that was the problem. It was that the fact racism was used to harass her. It's only a double standard if say they wanted people banned and/or abused for going "Pull up your pants damn blacks."
Also IIRC Milo was involved in sending it and had more of history of doing shit.
I never directly mentioned racism in my post, although the tweets directed at Jones were tinged with racism. My point was Milo received a steady stream of "abusive" tweets and death threats that were never addressed by twitter, so in that sense there is a double standard. A right wing commentator copy and pasted some of Jones' tweets shortly after to illustrate this and was banned from twitter for it. She also was threatened and harassed but nothing was done about it. I'll link an article about this below.
Milo also wasn't directly responsible for the more egregious tweets sent to Jones that would constitute banneable offenses. I don't think social media, or anyone that matter, should hold public figures accountable for others' actions. The fact that the targeting of Jones has continued demonstrates that Milo wasn't the driving force behind it. He certainly stoked the flames, but there was already a good amount of negative sentiment directed towards her. I don't believe he ever explicitly called for any of his followers to "go after" her.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/breitbart-writer-uses-leslie-jones-words-on-twitter-is-threatened-and-banned/

by The balkens » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:59 am
Equalaria wrote:Another example of virulent misogyny. Leslie is very talented, and the only criticism she faces are because of her being a woman of color. These alt right facist a continue to harass and assault her for basically existing. These hate crimes should be punished to the full extent of the law.

by Umezawa » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:59 am
Uiiop wrote:Of course all of this assumes that these aren't faked since the no links to the tweets have been posted in all that i've seen that makes me a little suspicious.
Under the assumption that at least some of these are true.... Did you know if they even reported these? Or that any of these were caught?
That the problems with these pics. They only proved that some shit was thrown...not that it got a free pass.
And again he has a bigger history than her and was judged on that.

by Uiiop » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:17 pm
Umezawa wrote:Uiiop wrote:Of course all of this assumes that these aren't faked since the no links to the tweets have been posted in all that i've seen that makes me a little suspicious.
Under the assumption that at least some of these are true.... Did you know if they even reported these? Or that any of these were caught?
That the problems with these pics. They only proved that some shit was thrown...not that it got a free pass.
And again he has a bigger history than her and was judged on that.
Yes they were reported. I don't know why you would doubt that validity of the tweets but you're free to look into it yourself or check out the Breitbart article (which does provide links you can ignore the editorializing) if you're interested. I don't want to get too in the weeds with this since it's somewhat off topic, but a "bigger history" is pretty poor criteria to use when determining punishment for bad behavior. Bad behavior should be held accountable regardless of its frequency. The same way people who commit crimes are held accountable regardless if they are first time offenders. The truth is if twitter banned everyone for "abuse" based on their criteria it would be a pretty barren place. Of course repeat offenders should face harsher punishment, but in this instance Milo didn't do very much. He certainly went out of his way to agitate people while on twitter, but I don't believe he ever threatened someone's life, while his was threatened routinely on the platform.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/22/conservative-campus-activists-flooded-death-threats-twitter-nothing/

by Umezawa » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:35 pm
Uiiop wrote:TBF there is a problem about reports but that doesn't mean Milo is innocent. You haven't really proved anything other than people are dicks in the internet and that Twitter usually does a shitty job at it. Most people don't actually disagree with this....this double standard(Unless it's based on celebrity) isn't a thing and/or not one shared by the public.
And by bigger history i did mean Repeat defenders and he still incited people to this against the TOS. Now like i said are all cases processed as they should be? No but that doesn't mean.

by Uiiop » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:51 pm
Umezawa wrote:Uiiop wrote:TBF there is a problem about reports but that doesn't mean Milo is innocent. You haven't really proved anything other than people are dicks in the internet and that Twitter usually does a shitty job at it. Most people don't actually disagree with this....this double standard(Unless it's based on celebrity) isn't a thing and/or not one shared by the public.
And by bigger history i did mean Repeat defenders and he still incited people to this against the TOS. Now like i said are all cases processed as they should be? No but that doesn't mean.
I don't see how he incited anyone in this instance. Maybe I missed it, but I followed it pretty closely when it happened. Jones was actually the one retweeting people and telling her followers to go after them. Not to say she brought it on herself, but the more she responded angrily to people the more it seemed to feed into it. I don't know what else you could be getting at with "bigger history" aside from a repeat offender, or someone who has a history of doing something.
I think it's pretty clear that the fact that Kassy was banned (for copying Leslie's tweets) but those tweeting her abusive statements were not demonstrates that there is indeed a different criteria applied when evaluating reports of abuse depending on who it is. It wasn't just negligence on twitter's part as you're suggesting (if so they would've done nothing), it was selective enforcement. I think that meets the criteria for a double standard.

by Uiiop » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:04 pm
Uiiop wrote:Umezawa wrote:
I don't see how he incited anyone in this instance. Maybe I missed it, but I followed it pretty closely when it happened. Jones was actually the one retweeting people and telling her followers to go after them. Not to say she brought it on herself, but the more she responded angrily to people the more it seemed to feed into it. I don't know what else you could be getting at with "bigger history" aside from a repeat offender, or someone who has a history of doing something.
I think it's pretty clear that the fact that Kassy was banned (for copying Leslie's tweets) but those tweeting her abusive statements were not demonstrates that there is indeed a different criteria applied when evaluating reports of abuse depending on who it is. It wasn't just negligence on twitter's part as you're suggesting (if so they would've done nothing), it was selective enforcement. I think that meets the criteria for a double standard.
First i did say that i meant repeat offenders and that there is a issue of reports bias hence the parathesiss .
But you still haven't proved that kassy was banned only that she said the same thing that Leslie says. Some guy from infowars said she was but that isn't really proof in itself and infowars is unreliable.
As for the rest http://www.vox.com/2016/7/20/12226070/m ... -explained this and the other article has tweets. He didn't start but he certainly didn't post things that toned it down.

by Umezawa » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:23 pm
Uiiop wrote:First i did say that i meant repeat offenders and that there is a issue of reports bias hence the parathesiss .
But you still haven't proved that kassy was banned only that she said the same thing that Leslie says. Some guy from infowars said she was but that isn't really proof in itself and infowars is unreliable.
As for the rest http://www.vox.com/2016/7/20/12226070/m ... -explained this and the other article has tweets. He didn't start but he certainly didn't post things that toned it down.
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