Actress Leslie Jones Hacked, Private Info Leaked

[Minzerland]

Their job is to secure the homeland not to look into crimes of this nature, leave that to the FBI and the local authorities.

Part of their literal job, as prescribed by POTUS and the USC, is to look into crimes of this nature.

Where on their Website? Hmm? Tell me, where does it say this in their website?

[Shonburg]

Part of their literal job, as prescribed by POTUS and the USC, is to look into crimes of this nature.

US naval destroyers just opened fire on a group of Iranian gunboats, and you think that the Department of Homeland Security's priority right now should be to investigate pictures of a B-grade actress's vagina being leaked onto the internet? There are, possibly literally, a million more important things that they could be doing with taxpayer money than this.

Fallacy of relative privation. Do you think they are incapable of multitasking?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Part of their literal job, as prescribed by POTUS and the USC, is to look into crimes of this nature.

US naval destroyers just opened fire on a group of Iranian gunboats, and you think that the Department of Homeland Security's priority right now should be to investigate pictures of a B-grade actress's vagina being leaked onto the internet? There are, possibly literally, a million more important things that they could be doing with taxpayer money than this.

I think that the warning shots fired against the gunboats are more the purview of the DoD, but I'm sure that DHS can keep an eye out for possible terrorist chatter while still investigating other cases that fall under its responsibilities as defined by the President and Congress.

[Shonburg]

It does deter rape actually. The numbers have been in decline.

Prove it, the numbers may be declining but do you haven't given me evidence as to why they're declining?

"The decline has been steady and consistent, which gives us a lot of confidence that it's a real occurrence, not a statistical anomaly," said Scott Berkowitz, president of the Washington-based Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network.

One school of thought holds that rape has declined for the same reasons that other violent offenses have: a reduction in the lawlessness associated with crack cocaine, a shrinking population of young people and an increased number of criminals in jail.

Rapists "tend to commit other crimes," said Richard Felson, a professor at Pennsylvania State University. "The way we say it in criminology is that offenders tend to be versatile." By this logic, locking up robbers, killers and drug dealers reduces the pool of potential rapists out on the street.

Another, more hopeful, explanation is that Americans have actually changed the way they think about sexual assault: Women have been taught to avoid unsafe situations, and both boys and girls have been drilled to understand the rules of consent.

"They're far more aware that 'no' means no," than previous generations, Berkowitz said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00610.html

[Yumyumsuppertime]

This wasn't a crime that involved computer hacking, identity theft, or fraud, so it wasn't under their purview.

An Armenian named Garik stole my steam account, should I give the DHS a call so they can investigate that too?

Give it a shot.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Part of their literal job, as prescribed by POTUS and the USC, is to look into crimes of this nature.

Where on their Website? Hmm? Tell me, where does it say this in their website?

https://www.dhs.gov/topic/combating-cyber-crime

[Shonburg]

Part of their literal job, as prescribed by POTUS and the USC, is to look into crimes of this nature.

Where on their Website? Hmm? Tell me, where does it say this in their website?

https://www.dhs.gov/safeguard-and-secure-cyberspace

[Neo Bavaria]

US naval destroyers just opened fire on a group of Iranian gunboats, and you think that the Department of Homeland Security's priority right now should be to investigate pictures of a B-grade actress's vagina being leaked onto the internet? There are, possibly literally, a million more important things that they could be doing with taxpayer money than this.

Fallacy of relative privation. Do you think they are incapable of multitasking?

I think that if you believe an agency specifically called the Department of Homeland Security should care about, as I stated, a B-grade actresses's nude pics being leaked when we are dangerously close to nuclear war with the Russian Federation, China, and Iran, your complete lack of scale or cognizance of world events is legitimately disturbing.

Yes, it sucks for Leslie Jones, the creep who did this should have his balls chopped off-- by the police, not some quasi-CIA spook. Budgeting is a zero-sum game. The DHS cannot spend more than it receives in funding. Any money going toward preserving the reputation of a celebrity is money that is not going towards keeping American citizens, like Leslie Jones, safe from harm to more than just their reputations.

[Shonburg]

Fallacy of relative privation. Do you think they are incapable of multitasking?

I think that if you believe an agency specifically called the Department of Homeland Security should care about, as I stated, a B-grade actresses's nude pics being leaked when we are dangerously close to nuclear war with the Russian Federation, China, and Iran, your complete lack of scale or cognizance of world events is legitimately disturbing.

Yes, it sucks for Leslie Jones, the creep who did this should have his balls chopped off-- by the police, not some quasi-CIA spook. Budgeting is a zero-sum game. The DHS cannot spend more than it receives in funding. Any money going toward preserving the reputation of a celebrity is money that is not going towards keeping American citizens, like Leslie Jones, safe from harm to more than just their reputations.

So the DHS shouldn't do its legally mandated job of investigating cyber crime? Interesting.

[Neo Bavaria]

Where on their Website? Hmm? Tell me, where does it say this in their website?

https://www.dhs.gov/safeguard-and-secure-cyberspace

Where on their Website? Hmm? Tell me, where does it say this in their website?

https://www.dhs.gov/topic/combating-cyber-crime

Ah, yes, yet another wonderful case of people not understanding the meaning behind the literal words. They're not talking about nude pic leaks, they're talking about the release of credit information, illegal access of corporate emails or trade secrets, and cybertheft of money or programs.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Fallacy of relative privation. Do you think they are incapable of multitasking?

I think that if you believe an agency specifically called the Department of Homeland Security should care about, as I stated, a B-grade actresses's nude pics being leaked when we are dangerously close to nuclear war with the Russian Federation, China, and Iran, your complete lack of scale or cognizance of world events is legitimately disturbing.

Yes, it sucks for Leslie Jones, the creep who did this should have his balls chopped off-- by the police, not some quasi-CIA spook. Budgeting is a zero-sum game. The DHS cannot spend more than it receives in funding. Any money going toward preserving the reputation of a celebrity is money that is not going towards keeping American citizens, like Leslie Jones, safe from harm to more than just their reputations.

Your hyperbole and hysterics are not helping your argument. Local police are not equipped to handle hacking that could come from anywhere in the nation or the world, and do not have the jurisdiction to investigate or prosecute the offenders. Such efforts must come from a federal agency.

[Shonburg]

https://www.dhs.gov/safeguard-and-secure-cyberspace

https://www.dhs.gov/topic/combating-cyber-crime

Ah, yes, yet another wonderful case of people not understanding the meaning behind the literal words. They're not talking about nude pic leaks, they're talking about the release of credit information, illegal access of corporate emails or trade secrets, and cybertheft of money or programs.

Ah yes, how dare the DHS decide that the specifics of this case require them to investigate.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

https://www.dhs.gov/safeguard-and-secure-cyberspace

https://www.dhs.gov/topic/combating-cyber-crime

Ah, yes, yet another wonderful case of people not understanding the meaning behind the literal words. They're not talking about nude pic leaks, they're talking about the release of credit information, illegal access of corporate emails or trade secrets, and cybertheft of money or programs.

Her passport and ID were leaked. People could use this information for purposes of identity theft, and I suspect that the hacker or hackers involved knew this.

Frankly, I'm almost as disturbed by the attempts to minimize the impact of these actions as I am by the hacking itself.

This was a federal crime, and involved the intentional leaking of personal and private information that could be used in fraud.

It is being investigated by a federal agency tasked with the responsibility of investigating such matters.

Seems pretty simple.

[Minzerland]

Prove it, the numbers may be declining but do you haven't given me evidence as to why they're declining?

"The decline has been steady and consistent, which gives us a lot of confidence that it's a real occurrence, not a statistical anomaly," said Scott Berkowitz, president of the Washington-based Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network.

One school of thought holds that rape has declined for the same reasons that other violent offenses have: a reduction in the lawlessness associated with crack cocaine, a shrinking population of young people and an increased number of criminals in jail.

Rapists "tend to commit other crimes," said Richard Felson, a professor at Pennsylvania State University. "The way we say it in criminology is that offenders tend to be versatile." By this logic, locking up robbers, killers and drug dealers reduces the pool of potential rapists out on the street.

Another, more hopeful, explanation is that Americans have actually changed the way they think about sexual assault: Women have been taught to avoid unsafe situations, and both boys and girls have been drilled to understand the rules of consent.

"They're far more aware that 'no' means no," than previous generations, Berkowitz said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00610.html

This amidst other possibilities? So they aren't deterred because rape is a crime, moreso to do with social attitudes, lessened young population and its reduction in lawlessness?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

"The decline has been steady and consistent, which gives us a lot of confidence that it's a real occurrence, not a statistical anomaly," said Scott Berkowitz, president of the Washington-based Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network.

One school of thought holds that rape has declined for the same reasons that other violent offenses have: a reduction in the lawlessness associated with crack cocaine, a shrinking population of young people and an increased number of criminals in jail.

Rapists "tend to commit other crimes," said Richard Felson, a professor at Pennsylvania State University. "The way we say it in criminology is that offenders tend to be versatile." By this logic, locking up robbers, killers and drug dealers reduces the pool of potential rapists out on the street.

Another, more hopeful, explanation is that Americans have actually changed the way they think about sexual assault: Women have been taught to avoid unsafe situations, and both boys and girls have been drilled to understand the rules of consent.

"They're far more aware that 'no' means no," than previous generations, Berkowitz said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00610.html

This amidst other possibilities? So they aren't deterred because rape is a crime, moreso to do with social attitudes, lessened young population and its reduction in lawlessness?

You're right. Let's stop arresting rapists.

[Minzerland]

Where on their Website? Hmm? Tell me, where does it say this in their website?

https://www.dhs.gov/topic/combating-cyber-crime

Well, then I am indeed beat.

[Neo Bavaria]

I think that if you believe an agency specifically called the Department of Homeland Security should care about, as I stated, a B-grade actresses's nude pics being leaked when we are dangerously close to nuclear war with the Russian Federation, China, and Iran, your complete lack of scale or cognizance of world events is legitimately disturbing.

Yes, it sucks for Leslie Jones, the creep who did this should have his balls chopped off-- by the police, not some quasi-CIA spook. Budgeting is a zero-sum game. The DHS cannot spend more than it receives in funding. Any money going toward preserving the reputation of a celebrity is money that is not going towards keeping American citizens, like Leslie Jones, safe from harm to more than just their reputations.

So the DHS shouldn't do its legally mandated job of investigating cyber crime? Interesting.

Let's tell a story, okay?

You're Paul and you live in New York. One day, you come home and the room next to yours is cordoned off by police tape. Turns out some guy was stabbed and his apartment raided. Guy's dead, gone, and now your block is under surveillance and you've been asked to testify. You're so stressed out, so you check in with your friend Peter to vent a little about what just happened, and your friend Peter says "Yeah, I know what you mean, I keep on having to file noise complaints against my next door neighbor because he plays his stereo too loud. The police never do anything even though he's disturbing the peace". The long and short of it is, that we are presently in a crisis scenario where any day the director of the DHS could wake up to a phone call asking him to make his way to the nearest fortified bunker because there is a terror threat or a dirty bomb just went off. Now, at the end of the day, do you think that he's going to be able to live with himself, let alone keep his job, when he wasted Department resources going after the guy who leaked nudes of an actress instead of aiding an investigation into domestic terrorism?

[Neo Bavaria]

Ah, yes, yet another wonderful case of people not understanding the meaning behind the literal words. They're not talking about nude pic leaks, they're talking about the release of credit information, illegal access of corporate emails or trade secrets, and cybertheft of money or programs.

Her passport and ID were leaked. People could use this information for purposes of identity theft, and I suspect that the hacker or hackers involved knew this.

Frankly, I'm almost as disturbed by the attempts to minimize the impact of these actions as I am by the hacking itself.

This was a federal crime, and involved the intentional leaking of personal and private information that could be used in fraud.

It is being investigated by a federal agency tasked with the responsibility of investigating such matters.

Seems pretty simple.

Her passport and ID could also be seen by any person on the street. Come back to me when her SSN was leaked or her bank PIN

[Minzerland]

This amidst other possibilities? So they aren't deterred because rape is a crime, moreso to do with social attitudes, lessened young population and its reduction in lawlessness?

You're right. Let's stop arresting rapists.

Strawmanning is fun, isn't it?

I never suggested it, I was trying to say that the lawlessness of other crimes has made it decline.

One school of thought holds that rape has declined for the same reasons that other violent offenses have: a reduction in the lawlessness associated with crack cocaine, a shrinking population of young people and an increased number of criminals in jail.

[Shonburg]

So the DHS shouldn't do its legally mandated job of investigating cyber crime? Interesting.

Let's tell a story, okay?

You're Paul and you live in New York. One day, you come home and the room next to yours is cordoned off by police tape. Turns out some guy was stabbed and his apartment raided. Guy's dead, gone, and now your block is under surveillance and you've been asked to testify. You're so stressed out, so you check in with your friend Peter to vent a little about what just happened, and your friend Peter says "Yeah, I know what you mean, I keep on having to file noise complaints against my next door neighbor because he plays his stereo too loud. The police never do anything even though he's disturbing the peace". The long and short of it is, that we are presently in a crisis scenario where any day the director of the DHS could wake up to a phone call asking him to make his way to the nearest fortified bunker because there is a terror threat or a dirty bomb just went off. Now, at the end of the day, do you think that he's going to be able to live with himself, let alone keep his job, when he wasted Department resources going after the guy who leaked nudes of an actress instead of aiding an investigation into domestic terrorism?

Yes to all questions. His job is to make sure DHS works in all areas it is responsible for, including cybercrime.

[Shonburg]

Her passport and ID were leaked. People could use this information for purposes of identity theft, and I suspect that the hacker or hackers involved knew this.

Frankly, I'm almost as disturbed by the attempts to minimize the impact of these actions as I am by the hacking itself.

This was a federal crime, and involved the intentional leaking of personal and private information that could be used in fraud.

It is being investigated by a federal agency tasked with the responsibility of investigating such matters.

Seems pretty simple.

Her passport and ID could also be seen by any person on the street. Come back to me when her SSN was leaked or her bank PIN

I see you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how identity theft works.

[Shonburg]

"The decline has been steady and consistent, which gives us a lot of confidence that it's a real occurrence, not a statistical anomaly," said Scott Berkowitz, president of the Washington-based Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network.

One school of thought holds that rape has declined for the same reasons that other violent offenses have: a reduction in the lawlessness associated with crack cocaine, a shrinking population of young people and an increased number of criminals in jail.

Rapists "tend to commit other crimes," said Richard Felson, a professor at Pennsylvania State University. "The way we say it in criminology is that offenders tend to be versatile." By this logic, locking up robbers, killers and drug dealers reduces the pool of potential rapists out on the street.

Another, more hopeful, explanation is that Americans have actually changed the way they think about sexual assault: Women have been taught to avoid unsafe situations, and both boys and girls have been drilled to understand the rules of consent.

"They're far more aware that 'no' means no," than previous generations, Berkowitz said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00610.html

This amidst other possibilities? So they aren't deterred because rape is a crime, moreso to do with social attitudes, lessened young population and its reduction in lawlessness?

Social Attitudes changing because of improvements and increases in how rape is investigated and prosecuted, thus leading to even more of a social stigma against it perhaps?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

So the DHS shouldn't do its legally mandated job of investigating cyber crime? Interesting.

Let's tell a story, okay?

You're Paul and you live in New York. One day, you come home and the room next to yours is cordoned off by police tape. Turns out some guy was stabbed and his apartment raided. Guy's dead, gone, and now your block is under surveillance and you've been asked to testify. You're so stressed out, so you check in with your friend Peter to vent a little about what just happened, and your friend Peter says "Yeah, I know what you mean, I keep on having to file noise complaints against my next door neighbor because he plays his stereo too loud. The police never do anything even though he's disturbing the peace". The long and short of it is, that we are presently in a crisis scenario where any day the director of the DHS could wake up to a phone call asking him to make his way to the nearest fortified bunker because there is a terror threat or a dirty bomb just went off. Now, at the end of the day, do you think that he's going to be able to live with himself, let alone keep his job, when he wasted Department resources going after the guy who leaked nudes of an actress instead of aiding an investigation into domestic terrorism?

Again:

This was a federal crime that involved identity theft.

The federal agency tasked with investigating cyber crime, especially when it involves fraud or identity theft, is doing so.

I suspect that if there is an increase in terrorist chatter, this case will be bumped down the list of priorities.

Fact is, any competent police agency will be able to investigate both murders AND noise complaints.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Her passport and ID were leaked. People could use this information for purposes of identity theft, and I suspect that the hacker or hackers involved knew this.

Frankly, I'm almost as disturbed by the attempts to minimize the impact of these actions as I am by the hacking itself.

This was a federal crime, and involved the intentional leaking of personal and private information that could be used in fraud.

It is being investigated by a federal agency tasked with the responsibility of investigating such matters.

Seems pretty simple.

Her passport and ID could also be seen by any person on the street. Come back to me when her SSN was leaked or her bank PIN

No, they couldn't have been. I don't know anyone who walks down the street advertising such things, much less public figures.

[Minzerland]

This amidst other possibilities? So they aren't deterred because rape is a crime, moreso to do with social attitudes, lessened young population and its reduction in lawlessness?

Social Attitudes changing because of improvements and increases in how rape is investigated and prosecuted, thus leading to even more of a social stigma against it perhaps?

No. Your article suggests that it is due to this;

Another, more hopeful, explanation is that Americans have actually changed the way they think about sexual assault: Women have been taught to avoid unsafe situations, and both boys and girls have been drilled to understand the rules of consent.