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Postby Minzerland » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:02 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Thaerania wrote:It's really an argument that the DHS shouldn't be giving famous people special treatment. A hacked twitter account isn't even a serious issue, it's one that should be handled by local authorities and not the federal government. What's next; the UN?


Her Twitter account wasn't what was hacked. Her site was, and her personal information, including her driver's license and passport, were displayed on it. In addition, the hackers posted nude photos of her.

That isn't really a threat to national security, I don't think the DHS should handle this; perhaps the local a authorities should.
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Postby Thaerania » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:02 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Coraspia wrote:It's also an argument that it's a bit disproportionate though. Though this does come under DHS' role, they do not generally investigate this sort of matter. They are treating this as a special case.


Hacking and identity theft are exactly the sorts of things that they need to be involved with.

So why don't they get involved when it happens to everyone else?
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Postby CoraSpia » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:06 am

Minzerland wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Her Twitter account wasn't what was hacked. Her site was, and her personal information, including her driver's license and passport, were displayed on it. In addition, the hackers posted nude photos of her.

That isn't really a threat to national security, I don't think the DHS should handle this; perhaps the local a authorities should.


I'd also question whether the dhs, from an expertise standpoint are the best people to be looking into this. This sounds a lot more like the NSA's backyard.
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Postby Shonburg » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:07 am

Thaerania wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Hacking and identity theft are exactly the sorts of things that they need to be involved with.

So why don't they get involved when it happens to everyone else?

Because they likely want to use this case as an example to deter future hackers.
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Postby Minzerland » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:07 am

Coraspia wrote:
Minzerland wrote:That isn't really a threat to national security, I don't think the DHS should handle this; perhaps the local a authorities should.


I'd also question whether the dhs, from an expertise standpoint are the best people to be looking into this. This sounds a lot more like the NSA's backyard.

Why would the NSA become involved?
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Postby Thaerania » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:09 am

Shonburg wrote:
Thaerania wrote:So why don't they get involved when it happens to everyone else?

Because they likely want to use this case as an example to deter future hackers.

An investigation won't deter hackers from hacking, they know that it could happen, they are prepared for it.
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Postby Shonburg » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:09 am

Coraspia wrote:
Minzerland wrote:That isn't really a threat to national security, I don't think the DHS should handle this; perhaps the local a authorities should.


I'd also question whether the dhs, from an expertise standpoint are the best people to be looking into this. This sounds a lot more like the NSA's backyard.

The NSA is an information gathering/congealment department, not an investigative and prosecuting one.
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Postby Shonburg » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:10 am

Thaerania wrote:
Shonburg wrote:Because they likely want to use this case as an example to deter future hackers.

An investigation won't deter hackers from hacking, they know that it could happen, they are prepared for it.

You don't know that it won't. Besides, this could also be proof that the DHS is going to start taking on more cases like this.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:11 am

Coraspia wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Hacking and identity theft are exactly the sorts of things that they need to be involved with.

I'm not denying that, however it seems strange that they didn't do this for anyone else but they're doing it for her.


They don't do it for anyone else? Or is this simply the one that got media attention?

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Postby CoraSpia » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:12 am

Shonburg wrote:
Thaerania wrote:So why don't they get involved when it happens to everyone else?

Because they likely want to use this case as an example to deter future hackers.

Hackers have been put away before. They're not stopping.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:12 am

Minzerland wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Her Twitter account wasn't what was hacked. Her site was, and her personal information, including her driver's license and passport, were displayed on it. In addition, the hackers posted nude photos of her.

That isn't really a threat to national security, I don't think the DHS should handle this; perhaps the local a authorities should.


Local authorities should handle a federal crime?

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:12 am

Thaerania wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Hacking and identity theft are exactly the sorts of things that they need to be involved with.

So why don't they get involved when it happens to everyone else?


Don't they?

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Postby Thaerania » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:13 am

Shonburg wrote:
Thaerania wrote:An investigation won't deter hackers from hacking, they know that it could happen, they are prepared for it.

You don't know that it won't. Besides, this could also be proof that the DHS is going to start taking on more cases like this.

You don't know that it will, and it's not really a good thing if the DHS starts acting as Hollywood's personal army.
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Postby Shonburg » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:13 am

Coraspia wrote:
Shonburg wrote:Because they likely want to use this case as an example to deter future hackers.

Hackers have been put away before. They're not stopping.

The FBI's crackdown on kidnapping-for-money has virtually stopped it from being a crime. This is the same line of thinking.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:13 am

Coraspia wrote:
Shonburg wrote:Because they likely want to use this case as an example to deter future hackers.

Hackers have been put away before. They're not stopping.


The ones who have been put away have stopped. That'll have to do until we have a way to catch all of them without violating anyone's civil rights.

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Postby CoraSpia » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:14 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Coraspia wrote:I'm not denying that, however it seems strange that they didn't do this for anyone else but they're doing it for her.


They don't do it for anyone else? Or is this simply the one that got media attention?

If dodgy stuff (hacking included) is noticed from any of the people using one of my servers (whose ip addresses change nice and regularly to make sure it rarely is noticed), I get emailed about it. I don't think I've had one from dhs yet, aside from one directly related to terrorism which was a fals alarm.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:16 am

Coraspia wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
They don't do it for anyone else? Or is this simply the one that got media attention?

If dodgy stuff (hacking included) is noticed from any of the people using one of my servers (whose ip addresses change nice and regularly to make sure it rarely is noticed), I get emailed about it. I don't think I've had one from dhs yet, aside from one directly related to terrorism which was a fals alarm.


Then either these aren't being reported to the proper people, or they are, and DHS needs to start investigating these instances equally.

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Postby Thaerania » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:16 am

Shonburg wrote:
Coraspia wrote:Hackers have been put away before. They're not stopping.

The FBI's crackdown on kidnapping-for-money has virtually stopped it from being a crime. This is the same line of thinking.

That is criminals going and stealing humans to extort money, this is a teenager sitting behind a computer typing code.
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Postby Thaerania » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:16 am

Coraspia wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
They don't do it for anyone else? Or is this simply the one that got media attention?

If dodgy stuff (hacking included) is noticed from any of the people using one of my servers (whose ip addresses change nice and regularly to make sure it rarely is noticed), I get emailed about it. I don't think I've had one from dhs yet, aside from one directly related to terrorism which was a fals alarm.

Your servers?
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Postby CoraSpia » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:19 am

Thaerania wrote:
Coraspia wrote:If dodgy stuff (hacking included) is noticed from any of the people using one of my servers (whose ip addresses change nice and regularly to make sure it rarely is noticed), I get emailed about it. I don't think I've had one from dhs yet, aside from one directly related to terrorism which was a fals alarm.

Your servers?

Proxies I admin.
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Postby Minzerland » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:19 am

Shonburg wrote:
Thaerania wrote:An investigation won't deter hackers from hacking, they know that it could happen, they are prepared for it.

You don't know that it won't. Besides, this could also be proof that the DHS is going to start taking on more cases like this.

It won't. Just like investigating and prosecuting rapists doesn't deter rapists from raping people.

The DHS shouldn't be investigating this.
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Postby Shonburg » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:19 am

Thaerania wrote:
Shonburg wrote:The FBI's crackdown on kidnapping-for-money has virtually stopped it from being a crime. This is the same line of thinking.

That is criminals going and stealing humans to extort money, this is a teenager sitting behind a computer typing code.

Them being a teenager does not make them any less of a criminal. Besides, most no-lifes who doxx people would piss and shit themselves if the DHS came a'knocking precisely because they are bratty teenagers. So yes, the idea that a federal agency is willing to hunt you down for "hax0rz guyz" will deter some of them, and in the future, maybe most of them.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:20 am

Thaerania wrote:
Shonburg wrote:The FBI's crackdown on kidnapping-for-money has virtually stopped it from being a crime. This is the same line of thinking.

That is criminals going and stealing humans to extort money, this is a teenager sitting behind a computer typing code.


Typing code, engaging in identity theft, and posting private identifying information and private intimate photos for the whole world to see. Let's not downplay this. You could just as easily say that someone embezzling millions from their company is simply typing numbers into columns.

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Postby Minzerland » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:21 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Minzerland wrote:That isn't really a threat to national security, I don't think the DHS should handle this; perhaps the local a authorities should.


Local authorities should handle a federal crime?

Homeland security should be investigating something that doesn't alter homeland security?
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:21 am

Minzerland wrote:
Shonburg wrote:You don't know that it won't. Besides, this could also be proof that the DHS is going to start taking on more cases like this.

It won't. Just like investigating and prosecuting rapists doesn't deter rapists from raping people.

The DHS shouldn't be investigating this.


If it falls within their purview, then why not? A good high-profile prosecution and forcing some neckbeard to actually do time might put the fear of God into a couple of them, at least.

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