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Postby New Axiom » Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:40 pm

Why Communism is Far Better than any Other Form of Governance

Communism.

In the West, communism is an evil word. An evil ideology. Associated with the "evil empire" of the USSR, China, and North Korea, people assume communism is the ruling style of choice for evil, psychotic dictators.

This is not exactly what communism is. Communism is the belief where everyone-everyone-shares everything equally. For example, let's say you have a dairy cow. Ten people help milk the cow equally, then everyone gets an equal portion of the milk.

This makes sense, doesn't it? Why shouldn't everyone get the same amount of everything?

Take America for example. Sone people have millions of dollars and hundreds of fancy cars. It would be almost physically impossible to spend all of their money in their lifetime, and no one really needs twenty cars and I think no one understands the point of a gold plated bathroom, and said good played bathroom is useless. What makes it different than a regular bathroom? Does it automatically wipe your ass?

In America, and many other societies, you have the really really rich people, the middle people, and the really really poor people. The rich don't need most of their things and most of their money, but the poor people need some of that stuff, for food, let's say.

So, in a perfect world, no matter if your a doctor or sanitation worker, everyone should get paid the same amount of cash. Corperations should be outlawed; food, power, and water should be government regulated in order to ensure no one exceeds the amount they need, and that the people who need it don't ever get less than they need.

See, the reason communism is hated in the west is simple. Well, both reasons.

The rich people.

The rich wreck the communism idea. They are usually greedy and don't want to give up their millions of dollars and twenty three cars. They have everything they want, which is more than they need.
This aspires poor people to be like them and, as such, turns the ones who succeed into rich, greedy people.

Yes, this was meant to be insulting to rich people. Oh? Your not greedy? Have you made sure every homeless person you can afford to feed has gotten three hot meals a day, proper clothes, a bed, and shelter? No? Didn't think so.


But, you see, communism today isn't perfect either. In fact, it's far from it. People should be paid ten dollars an hour, but utilities provided free by the government. Corperations should also be outlawed; they always try to make money which should be distributed to people who need it, and corperations really don't need all those billions of dollars anyway.

Communism is perfect, but as long as there are greedy people in the world, it will always be despised.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:46 pm

New Axiom wrote:Oh? Your not greedy?


Communism is an extension of my egoism, thus I desire it. I want to be able to appropriate "social wealth", or social and communal hedonistic pleasure, without petty, spooky bourgeois restrictions like private property and wage labor. I want to conquer life on my own terms; all the world is my property to appropriate, but capitalism makes this difficult.

"Greed in its fullest sense is the only possible basis of communist society. The present forms of greed lose out, in the end, because they turn out to be not greedy enough."
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Postby The Portland Territory » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:00 pm

. For example, let's say you have a dairy cow. Ten people help milk the cow equally, then everyone gets an equal portion of the milk.

This makes sense, doesn't it? Why shouldn't everyone get the same amount of everything?

Not sure if you've ever milked a cow before, but cows don't give that much milk in one milking. You can get maybe a gallon. Why the fuck should I divide a gallon of milk amongst 10 people (1 glass) if it's my cow?!

In America, and many other societies, you have the really really rich people, the middle people, and the really really poor people. The rich don't need most of their things and most of their money, but the poor people need some of that stuff, for food, let's say.

Listen, I'm poor ok, and I believe that the wealthy should pay their fair share, but no matter what you think, they are the reason why our economy is running. They are the ones who make the investments and build these businesses. If their wealth was divided up amongst the masses, then we cannot invest ergo cannot expand and our economy will probably crumble

So, in a perfect world, no matter if your a doctor or sanitation worker, everyone should get paid the same amount of cash. Corperations should be outlawed; food, power, and water should be government regulated in order to ensure no one exceeds the amount they need, and that the people who need it don't ever get less than they need.

Wrong again. Higher pay means more incentive to do harder jobs. No offense to any janitors, but being a nuclear operations coder is a much harder job. If the pay is equal, then people will go for the easier job letting the harder jobs be empty with no candidates
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:05 pm

The Portland Territory wrote:
. For example, let's say you have a dairy cow. Ten people help milk the cow equally, then everyone gets an equal portion of the milk.

This makes sense, doesn't it? Why shouldn't everyone get the same amount of everything?

Not sure if you've ever milked a cow before, but cows don't give that much milk in one milking. You can get maybe a gallon. Why the fuck should I divide a gallon of milk amongst 10 people (1 glass) if it's my cow?!


Well spooked.

It's not your cow. Private ownership is a negation of common property (unowned land and animals) at the dawn of civilization. It is theft, because is dispossesses everyone from something they otherwise would have access to, because of arbitrary legal fictions or bourgeois moralism.

The Portland Territory wrote:Wrong again. Higher pay means more incentive to do harder jobs. No offense to any janitors, but being a nuclear operations coder is a much harder job. If the pay is equal, then people will go for the easier job letting the harder jobs be empty with no candidates


Pay isn't equal under communism. Wages don't exist; instead, people take what they need from a communal pile of goods.
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Postby The Portland Territory » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:06 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:Not sure if you've ever milked a cow before, but cows don't give that much milk in one milking. You can get maybe a gallon. Why the fuck should I divide a gallon of milk amongst 10 people (1 glass) if it's my cow?!


Well spooked.

It's not your cow. Private ownership is a negation of common property (unowned land and animals) at the dawn of civilization. It is theft, because is dispossesses everyone from something they otherwise would have access to, because of arbitrary legal fictions or bourgeois moralism.

Well, ok, say I owned a cow and all of a sudden, America turned Communist in the OP's description. Why th hell should I give it up? It's my own damn cow
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:07 pm

Still better than what the right has been pushing for these days. *sigh*
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Postby New Axiom » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:07 pm

The Portland Territory wrote:
. For example, let's say you have a dairy cow. Ten people help milk the cow equally, then everyone gets an equal portion of the milk.

This makes sense, doesn't it? Why shouldn't everyone get the same amount of everything?

Not sure if you've ever milked a cow before, but cows don't give that much milk in one milking. You can get maybe a gallon. Why the fuck should I divide a gallon of milk amongst 10 people (1 glass) if it's my cow?!

In America, and many other societies, you have the really really rich people, the middle people, and the really really poor people. The rich don't need most of their things and most of their money, but the poor people need some of that stuff, for food, let's say.

Listen, I'm poor ok, and I believe that the wealthy should pay their fair share, but no matter what you think, they are the reason why our economy is running. They are the ones who make the investments and build these businesses. If their wealth was divided up amongst the masses, then we cannot invest ergo cannot expand and our economy will probably crumble

So, in a perfect world, no matter if your a doctor or sanitation worker, everyone should get paid the same amount of cash. Corperations should be outlawed; food, power, and water should be government regulated in order to ensure no one exceeds the amount they need, and that the people who need it don't ever get less than they need.

Wrong again. Higher pay means more incentive to do harder jobs. No offense to any janitors, but being a nuclear operations coder is a much harder job. If the pay is equal, then people will go for the easier job letting the harder jobs be empty with no candidates


So just cause it's your cow, you wouldn't share with that ten year old malnourished boy over there?

That's...debatable. Some rich people don't even I vases in anything other than skyscrapers in downtown New York and running for prez.

And finally, then jobs should be chosen for people by the government after the people have all taken a series of skills tests.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:08 pm

"Rich People" don't all have the same Goals, Lifestyles or Agendas.

Communism is not really widely viewed as relevant enough to be hated. But it's laughed at whenever raken seriously because of how it's hurt the developing world and long been the enemy of the western one.

I'm not going to say that leftist grievances of Capitalism are unjustified. They are. And sometimes their ideas on how to deal with it can be worth taking from. But for the most part, the "hate" of it is justified for most interpretartions of it.
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Postby Platypus Reborn » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:10 pm

Communism is a good idea, but that's it. An Idea. It can never come to fruition in it it's proper or "pure" form.
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Postby Tyrinth » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:10 pm

When you're pushing the poor away from your ideology that supposedly helps the poor, you know you've failed.

Stick to insulting the rich. At least that way you'll snag a few of the college students.
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The Portland Territory wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Well spooked.

It's not your cow. Private ownership is a negation of common property (unowned land and animals) at the dawn of civilization. It is theft, because is dispossesses everyone from something they otherwise would have access to, because of arbitrary legal fictions or bourgeois moralism.

Well, ok, say I owned a cow and all of a sudden, America turned Communist in the OP's description. Why th hell should I give it up? It's my own damn cow


It wouldn't be yours anymore. it would be everyone's cow or the state's cow. either way no longer yours.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:11 pm

The Portland Territory wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Well spooked.

It's not your cow. Private ownership is a negation of common property (unowned land and animals) at the dawn of civilization. It is theft, because is dispossesses everyone from something they otherwise would have access to, because of arbitrary legal fictions or bourgeois moralism.

Well, ok, say I owned a cow and all of a sudden, America turned Communist in the OP's description. Why th hell should I give it up? It's my own damn cow


It's not your cow. It is private property, or a stolen good because everyone else is dispossessed of it.

Anyway, giving up claims of ownership would be mutually beneficial to you and other people in your area in a communist system. You sharing the products of your labor gives you access to the products of everyone else in the community. However, if you don't want to, you could still milk the cow, and farm land, and do whatever on your own accord, alone. Self-sufficiency is difficult, though.
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Postby Impireacht » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:12 pm

Communism is the best, because everyone wants to live in a world where the government is all-encompassing and choice/variety is non-existent.

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Postby Redsection » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:12 pm

Falangism is the answer , it respects private property , while recognizing the needs of the people by establishing healthy class relations , everyman knows his place and is grateful about it.
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Postby Umezawa » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:14 pm

How do you ensure the efficient distribution of goods and services without utilizing the role of price in a Communist society? The USSR regularly ran concomitant shortages and surpluses because there was no economic mechanism to calibrate the supply with the correlative demand or need for a given good. Rationally or equally distributing scarce resources may sound like a good idea on the surface, but historically it has proven to be a very inefficient way to manage limited materials. The USSR economy proved to be too unwieldy and enumerable for the central planners to manage efficiently because of the simple fact that each economic decision impacts other industries in unanticipated and profound ways. Can this be avoided in a Communist society or is it an inherent problem with this form of government?

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Postby Pandeeria » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:14 pm

Redsection wrote:Falangism is the answer , it respects private property , while recognizing the needs of the people by establishing healthy class relations , everyman knows his place and is grateful about it.


Falangism want some to keep the institution of the state in power and existent, which is horrible.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:15 pm

Redsection wrote:Falangism is the answer , it respects private property ,


Then it isn't an answer, plain and simple.

while recognizing the needs of the people by establishing healthy class relations ,


Healthy for the bourgeoisie and their abstractions: property, nation, race, etc.

everyman knows his place and is grateful about it.


If they don't, we just shoot them! Problem solved. /s
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Postby Ohioan Territory » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:15 pm

New Axiom wrote:Why shouldn't everyone get the same amount of everything?

Some people don't work as hard as others.

Why should I make the same as someone who does not work as hard as me? Why should I make as much as someone that I do not work as hard as?
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The Portland Territory wrote:Well, ok, say I owned a cow and all of a sudden, America turned Communist in the OP's description. Why th hell should I give it up? It's my own damn cow


It's not your cow. It is private property, or a stolen good because everyone else is dispossessed of it.

Anyway, giving up claims of ownership would be mutually beneficial to you and other people in your area in a communist system. You sharing the products of your labor gives you access to the products of everyone else in the community. However, if you don't want to, you could still milk the cow, and farm land, and do whatever on your own accord, alone. Self-sufficiency is difficult, though.

How is it dispossessed of everyone?
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Postby Pandeeria » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:17 pm

Ohioan Territory wrote:
New Axiom wrote:Why shouldn't everyone get the same amount of everything?

Some people don't work as hard as others.

Why should I make the same as someone who does not work as hard as me? Why should I make as much as someone that I do not work as hard as?


I'm not necessarily saying it doesn't, but why does harder work warrant more wealth?
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In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:18 pm

Ohioan Territory wrote:
New Axiom wrote:Why shouldn't everyone get the same amount of everything?

Some people don't work as hard as others.

Why should I make the same as someone who does not work as hard as me? Why should I make as much as someone that I do not work as hard as?


This whole debate is pointless, because their initial point is a joke. Communism isn't based on an "equal amount of everything to everyone".
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Postby New Axiom » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:18 pm

Ohioan Territory wrote:
New Axiom wrote:Why shouldn't everyone get the same amount of everything?

Some people don't work as hard as others.

Why should I make the same as someone who does not work as hard as me? Why should I make as much as someone that I do not work as hard as?


Do you need more money than them? No. You only need enough for an adequate form of housing, a form of transport, clothes, and food.
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Postby Franz-Mekkado » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:18 pm

Serious question: is this satire? While i'm sure others will easily pick apart your arguments, I kind of feel like this is a joke... Maybe someone can answer for me?

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Postby Zostra » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:20 pm

No offense OP, but you don't really describe communism accurately at all.
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