
by New Axiom » Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:40 pm
Zakuvia wrote:If you aren't imagining a chain gang of adorable old retirees building a wall with Fixodent and using their Hoverounds as tow trucks then you're not the NS I remember.

by The New Sea Territory » Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:46 pm
New Axiom wrote:Oh? Your not greedy?
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by The Portland Territory » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:00 pm
. For example, let's say you have a dairy cow. Ten people help milk the cow equally, then everyone gets an equal portion of the milk.
This makes sense, doesn't it? Why shouldn't everyone get the same amount of everything?
In America, and many other societies, you have the really really rich people, the middle people, and the really really poor people. The rich don't need most of their things and most of their money, but the poor people need some of that stuff, for food, let's say.
So, in a perfect world, no matter if your a doctor or sanitation worker, everyone should get paid the same amount of cash. Corperations should be outlawed; food, power, and water should be government regulated in order to ensure no one exceeds the amount they need, and that the people who need it don't ever get less than they need.

by The New Sea Territory » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:05 pm
The Portland Territory wrote:. For example, let's say you have a dairy cow. Ten people help milk the cow equally, then everyone gets an equal portion of the milk.
This makes sense, doesn't it? Why shouldn't everyone get the same amount of everything?
Not sure if you've ever milked a cow before, but cows don't give that much milk in one milking. You can get maybe a gallon. Why the fuck should I divide a gallon of milk amongst 10 people (1 glass) if it's my cow?!
The Portland Territory wrote:Wrong again. Higher pay means more incentive to do harder jobs. No offense to any janitors, but being a nuclear operations coder is a much harder job. If the pay is equal, then people will go for the easier job letting the harder jobs be empty with no candidates
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of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
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by The Portland Territory » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:06 pm
The New Sea Territory wrote:The Portland Territory wrote:Not sure if you've ever milked a cow before, but cows don't give that much milk in one milking. You can get maybe a gallon. Why the fuck should I divide a gallon of milk amongst 10 people (1 glass) if it's my cow?!
Well spooked.
It's not your cow. Private ownership is a negation of common property (unowned land and animals) at the dawn of civilization. It is theft, because is dispossesses everyone from something they otherwise would have access to, because of arbitrary legal fictions or bourgeois moralism.

by Socialist Nordia » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:07 pm

by New Axiom » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:07 pm
The Portland Territory wrote:. For example, let's say you have a dairy cow. Ten people help milk the cow equally, then everyone gets an equal portion of the milk.
This makes sense, doesn't it? Why shouldn't everyone get the same amount of everything?
Not sure if you've ever milked a cow before, but cows don't give that much milk in one milking. You can get maybe a gallon. Why the fuck should I divide a gallon of milk amongst 10 people (1 glass) if it's my cow?!In America, and many other societies, you have the really really rich people, the middle people, and the really really poor people. The rich don't need most of their things and most of their money, but the poor people need some of that stuff, for food, let's say.
Listen, I'm poor ok, and I believe that the wealthy should pay their fair share, but no matter what you think, they are the reason why our economy is running. They are the ones who make the investments and build these businesses. If their wealth was divided up amongst the masses, then we cannot invest ergo cannot expand and our economy will probably crumbleSo, in a perfect world, no matter if your a doctor or sanitation worker, everyone should get paid the same amount of cash. Corperations should be outlawed; food, power, and water should be government regulated in order to ensure no one exceeds the amount they need, and that the people who need it don't ever get less than they need.
Wrong again. Higher pay means more incentive to do harder jobs. No offense to any janitors, but being a nuclear operations coder is a much harder job. If the pay is equal, then people will go for the easier job letting the harder jobs be empty with no candidates
Zakuvia wrote:If you aren't imagining a chain gang of adorable old retirees building a wall with Fixodent and using their Hoverounds as tow trucks then you're not the NS I remember.

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by Tyrinth » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:10 pm
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by Urran » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:11 pm
The Portland Territory wrote:The New Sea Territory wrote:
Well spooked.
It's not your cow. Private ownership is a negation of common property (unowned land and animals) at the dawn of civilization. It is theft, because is dispossesses everyone from something they otherwise would have access to, because of arbitrary legal fictions or bourgeois moralism.
Well, ok, say I owned a cow and all of a sudden, America turned Communist in the OP's description. Why th hell should I give it up? It's my own damn cow
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by The New Sea Territory » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:11 pm
The Portland Territory wrote:The New Sea Territory wrote:
Well spooked.
It's not your cow. Private ownership is a negation of common property (unowned land and animals) at the dawn of civilization. It is theft, because is dispossesses everyone from something they otherwise would have access to, because of arbitrary legal fictions or bourgeois moralism.
Well, ok, say I owned a cow and all of a sudden, America turned Communist in the OP's description. Why th hell should I give it up? It's my own damn cow
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of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
-Renzo Novatore, Verso il Nulla Creatore

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by Pandeeria » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:14 pm
Redsection wrote:Falangism is the answer , it respects private property , while recognizing the needs of the people by establishing healthy class relations , everyman knows his place and is grateful about it.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

by The New Sea Territory » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:15 pm
Redsection wrote:Falangism is the answer , it respects private property ,
while recognizing the needs of the people by establishing healthy class relations ,
everyman knows his place and is grateful about it.
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Solntsa Roshcha --- Postmodern Poyltheist
"Christianity had brutally planted the poisoned blade in the healthy, quivering flesh of all humanity; it had goaded a cold wave
of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
-Renzo Novatore, Verso il Nulla Creatore

by Ohioan Territory » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:15 pm
New Axiom wrote:Why shouldn't everyone get the same amount of everything?

by Minzerland » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:16 pm
The New Sea Territory wrote:The Portland Territory wrote:Well, ok, say I owned a cow and all of a sudden, America turned Communist in the OP's description. Why th hell should I give it up? It's my own damn cow
It's not your cow. It is private property, or a stolen good because everyone else is dispossessed of it.
Anyway, giving up claims of ownership would be mutually beneficial to you and other people in your area in a communist system. You sharing the products of your labor gives you access to the products of everyone else in the community. However, if you don't want to, you could still milk the cow, and farm land, and do whatever on your own accord, alone. Self-sufficiency is difficult, though.

by Pandeeria » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:17 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

by The New Sea Territory » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:18 pm
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Solntsa Roshcha --- Postmodern Poyltheist
"Christianity had brutally planted the poisoned blade in the healthy, quivering flesh of all humanity; it had goaded a cold wave
of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
-Renzo Novatore, Verso il Nulla Creatore

by New Axiom » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:18 pm
Zakuvia wrote:If you aren't imagining a chain gang of adorable old retirees building a wall with Fixodent and using their Hoverounds as tow trucks then you're not the NS I remember.

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