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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:13 pm

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The worst thing about him is that even if you accept his bullshit to be true, there are much better, kinder ways to sort it than that.

Just watch. The moment they realize there are LGB+ people in their state they'll try and make Lesbians and Gays use different facilities as well for 'public safety'.

Honestly, these people don't even know what they're talking about. I doubt they even know any LGBT people. What we need is for more Republican politicians to have LGBT children. it tends to work.
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Noraika wrote:Just watch. The moment they realize there are LGB+ people in their state they'll try and make Lesbians and Gays use different facilities as well for 'public safety'.

Honestly, these people don't even know what they're talking about. I doubt they even know any LGBT people. What we need is for more Republican politicians to have LGBT children. it tends to work.

I'd say thats more the exception than the rule. After all how often are stories of abusive parents retold revolving around the same circumstances. It'd just be overall better if they were born to liberal parents or some of the republicans that are legit ok with it. Not being used to convert previously bigoted parents.
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Postby Noraika » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:34 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:
Noraika wrote:Just watch. The moment they realize there are LGB+ people in their state they'll try and make Lesbians and Gays use different facilities as well for 'public safety'.

Honestly, these people don't even know what they're talking about. I doubt they even know any LGBT people. What we need is for more Republican politicians to have LGBT children. it tends to work.

Or more often than not they just reject the child, react extremely poorly and perhaps even in ways that damage the child's emotional or physical well-being, and blame the "horrible lifestyle choice" of their child, and the reason "their child is going to hell", on modern society, and say that their child was deceived or influenced into being homosexual or transgender, either by exposure to LGBT+ people, some form of trauma making them such, or by demonic influences taking hold of them, and thus cement their views of it even more.

Its getting better thankfully, but it isn't even any assurance whatsoever that they'll budge, especially if they feel strongly on the matter like the sections of the Republicans and Social Conservatives that support these sorts of perspectives.
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Socialist Nordia wrote:
Noraika wrote:Just watch. The moment they realize there are LGB+ people in their state they'll try and make Lesbians and Gays use different facilities as well for 'public safety'.

Honestly, these people don't even know what they're talking about. I doubt they even know any LGBT people. What we need is for more Republican politicians to have LGBT children. it tends to work.

It's either they change their stances or they kick the kid out and disown them. The latter is more common than the former.
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Postby Othelos » Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:59 pm

Noraika wrote:
Philjia wrote:
The worst thing about him is that even if you accept his bullshit to be true, there are much better, kinder ways to sort it than that.

Just watch. The moment they realize there are LGB+ people in their state they'll try and make Lesbians and Gays use different facilities as well for 'public safety'.

On the upside, I bet those bathrooms would be way cleaner.
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Postby Philjia » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:54 am

Socialist Nordia wrote:
Noraika wrote:Just watch. The moment they realize there are LGB+ people in their state they'll try and make Lesbians and Gays use different facilities as well for 'public safety'.

Honestly, these people don't even know what they're talking about. I doubt they even know any LGBT people. What we need is for more Republican politicians to have LGBT children. it tends to work.


Now that's what "family values" really means.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:06 am

Philjia wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:Honestly, these people don't even know what they're talking about. I doubt they even know any LGBT people. What we need is for more Republican politicians to have LGBT children. it tends to work.


Now that's what "family values" really means.

Or like Rob Portman who kinda sorta came out in favor of marriage equality after his son came out as gay.
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Postby Vaunyrus » Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:56 am

Hello! I was thinking about something controversial recently, and I just decided to ask you guys about something religious, because Sexual and Gender rights generally face the most criticism from the religious section of the world.


So, firstly, I have to wonder, do you guys and grils feel that LGBT rights should be split up? I've heard several LBGT people say this before, as they feel that sexual rights are not equatable to the issues of gender rights?

My next question is "does dysphoria have to exist for you to be transgender"?

And finally, how do you feel about the religious community's relatively peaceful acceptance (with a few exceptions) of gays and the disavowment of Transgender people? (Specifically in the Occident), for example, Pope Francis has said that it can be alright to be gay (it is not sin so long as it is not acted upon), but Transgenders are "the annihilation of man".
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Vaunyrus wrote:Hello! I was thinking about something controversial recently, and I just decided to ask you guys about something religious, because Sexual and Gender rights generally face the most criticism from the religious section of the world.


So, firstly, I have to wonder, do you guys and grils feel that LGBT rights should be split up? I've heard several LBGT people say this before, as they feel that sexual rights are not equatable to the issues of gender rights?

My next question is "does dysphoria have to exist for you to be transgender"?

And finally, how do you feel about the religious community's relatively peaceful acceptance (with a few exceptions) of gays and the disavowment of Transgender people? (Specifically in the Occident), for example, Pope Francis has said that it can be alright to be gay (it is not sin so long as it is not acted upon), but Transgenders are "the annihilation of man".


Claiming that relgion has accepted gay people is crazy. Excluding certain Protestant denominations and Anglicanism, religion hasn't done shit for gay people. And no, Francis doesnt get a pass for being all like "Hurr durr being gay isn't a sin but butt fucking is" because acting on it is the whole point of being gay. If your gay and can't marry and bone your spouse, then you don't get to live a full life like a straight person. So no, Francis sucks on LGBT issues universally even if he is nicer to listen to then Benedict.
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Postby Val Halla » Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:21 am

NCAA pulls March Madness championship games out of North Carolina

It also affects other NCAA events, outside of College football. I think this will hurt North Carolina more than the All Star game being moved to NOLA. Good tbh, it shows that anti LGBT should have no place in modern western society.
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Vaunyrus wrote:Hello! I was thinking about something controversial recently, and I just decided to ask you guys about something religious, because Sexual and Gender rights generally face the most criticism from the religious section of the world.


So, firstly, I have to wonder, do you guys and grils feel that LGBT rights should be split up? I've heard several LBGT people say this before, as they feel that sexual rights are not equatable to the issues of gender rights?

My next question is "does dysphoria have to exist for you to be transgender"?

And finally, how do you feel about the religious community's relatively peaceful acceptance (with a few exceptions) of gays and the disavowment of Transgender people? (Specifically in the Occident), for example, Pope Francis has said that it can be alright to be gay (it is not sin so long as it is not acted upon), but Transgenders are "the annihilation of man".


Claiming that relgion has accepted gay people is crazy. Excluding certain Protestant denominations and Anglicanism, religion hasn't done shit for gay people. And no, Francis doesnt get a pass for being all like "Hurr durr being gay isn't a sin but butt fucking is" because acting on it is the whole point of being gay. If your gay and can't marry and bone your spouse, then you don't get to live a full life like a straight person. So no, Francis sucks on LGBT issues universally even if he is nicer to listen to then Benedict.

Well, I mean, in regards to that, people shouldn't really be doing anal anyways, as it's sodomy, but moving past that point...

I meant religious people have become more accepting. I myself am Roman Catholic, and I love all you guys and grils equally! :D
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Vaunyrus wrote:
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Claiming that relgion has accepted gay people is crazy. Excluding certain Protestant denominations and Anglicanism, religion hasn't done shit for gay people. And no, Francis doesnt get a pass for being all like "Hurr durr being gay isn't a sin but butt fucking is" because acting on it is the whole point of being gay. If your gay and can't marry and bone your spouse, then you don't get to live a full life like a straight person. So no, Francis sucks on LGBT issues universally even if he is nicer to listen to then Benedict.

Well, I mean, in regards to that, people shouldn't really be doing anal anyways, as it's sodomy, but moving past that point...

I meant religious people have become more accepting. I myself am Roman Catholic, and I love all you guys and grils equally! :D


How is it your business what two consenting people do in the bedroom?

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Vaunyrus wrote:Well, I mean, in regards to that, people shouldn't really be doing anal anyways, as it's sodomy, but moving past that point...

Oh dear lord.

Can you please explain why anal is such a bad thing without resorting to that word?
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Vaunyrus wrote:Well, I mean, in regards to that, people shouldn't really be doing anal anyways, as it's sodomy, but moving past that point...

I meant religious people have become more accepting. I myself am Roman Catholic, and I love all you guys and grils equally! :D


How is it your business what two consenting people do in the bedroom?

Because God gets really triggered by that kind of stuff.
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Vaunyrus wrote:Well, I mean, in regards to that, people shouldn't really be doing anal anyways, as it's sodomy, but moving past that point...

Oh dear lord.
Can you please explain why anal is such a bad thing without resorting to that word?

You know what comes outta there, I presume?
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Vaunyrus wrote:Well, I mean, in regards to that, people shouldn't really be doing anal anyways, as it's sodomy, but moving past that point...


I'd advise reading a raw translation of the Torah version of Sodom and Gomorrah. Unusual sex is not really a significant feature.
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Nature-Spirits wrote:Oh dear lord.
Can you please explain why anal is such a bad thing without resorting to that word?

You know what comes outta there, I presume?


There are, er, things you can do to make that a none-issue.
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Postby Grenartia » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:01 pm

Vaunyrus wrote:
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Claiming that relgion has accepted gay people is crazy. Excluding certain Protestant denominations and Anglicanism, religion hasn't done shit for gay people. And no, Francis doesnt get a pass for being all like "Hurr durr being gay isn't a sin but butt fucking is" because acting on it is the whole point of being gay. If your gay and can't marry and bone your spouse, then you don't get to live a full life like a straight person. So no, Francis sucks on LGBT issues universally even if he is nicer to listen to then Benedict.

Well, I mean, in regards to that, people shouldn't really be doing anal anyways, as it's sodomy, but moving past that point...

I meant religious people have become more accepting. I myself am Roman Catholic, and I love all you guys and grils equally! :D


Fun fact: Biblically speaking, sodomy is not anal sex.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:12 pm

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Vaunyrus wrote:Well, I mean, in regards to that, people shouldn't really be doing anal anyways, as it's sodomy, but moving past that point...

I meant religious people have become more accepting. I myself am Roman Catholic, and I love all you guys and grils equally! :D


Fun fact: Biblically speaking, sodomy is not anal sex.

St. John Chrysostom strongly implies that anal sex is what is referred to by arsenokoitai ("There are some men who commit the vile sin of arsenokoitai with their wives").

Sodomy is all sex that is sinful, so, you're not really wrong, but you're not quite right either.
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Postby Grenartia » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:45 pm

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Fun fact: Biblically speaking, sodomy is not anal sex.

St. John Chrysostom strongly implies that anal sex is what is referred to by arsenokoitai ("There are some men who commit the vile sin of arsenokoitai with their wives").

Sodomy is all sex that is sinful, so, you're not really wrong, but you're not quite right either.


Hardly. Sodomy is the sin of Sodom. Sex was not the sin Sodom committed. That was xenophobia, lack of hospitality, lack of helping the poor and disadvantaged, and attempted gang rape. That is sodomy.

Arsenokoitai was literally made up by Paul, and was given no definition by him, thus, anyone claiming to know precisely what it means is lying.
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United Marxist Nations wrote:St. John Chrysostom strongly implies that anal sex is what is referred to by arsenokoitai ("There are some men who commit the vile sin of arsenokoitai with their wives").

Sodomy is all sex that is sinful, so, you're not really wrong, but you're not quite right either.


Hardly. Sodomy is the sin of Sodom. Sex was not the sin Sodom committed. That was xenophobia, lack of hospitality, lack of helping the poor and disadvantaged, and attempted gang rape. That is sodomy.

Arsenokoitai was literally made up by Paul, and was given no definition by him, thus, anyone claiming to know precisely what it means is lying.

He didn't make it up, because it was in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible).
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany- » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:09 pm

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Nature-Spirits wrote:Oh dear lord.
Can you please explain why anal is such a bad thing without resorting to that word?

You know what comes outta there, I presume?


Vaginas are regularly piss soaked. Putting dick in vagina must then be sinful then.
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Hardly. Sodomy is the sin of Sodom. Sex was not the sin Sodom committed. That was xenophobia, lack of hospitality, lack of helping the poor and disadvantaged, and attempted gang rape. That is sodomy.

Arsenokoitai was literally made up by Paul, and was given no definition by him, thus, anyone claiming to know precisely what it means is lying.

He didn't make it up, because it was in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible).


And? Prove it means what you think it means even there.
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United Marxist Nations wrote:He didn't make it up, because it was in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible).


And? Prove it means what you think it means even there.

That is how every traditional body, including rabbinical teachers, claim it means (not anal sex, but homosexual activity). That is a solid consensus, and that is generally what is needed in the humanities.
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Postby The V O I D » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:14 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany- wrote:
And? Prove it means what you think it means even there.

That is how every traditional body, including rabbinical teachers, claim it means (not anal sex, but homosexual activity). That is a solid consensus, and that is generally what is needed in the humanities.


Oh, shocker, traditionalists and general homophobic/transphobic people who are against LGBT Rights agree on something that, if religious law were enacted, would oppress LGBT people.

WHAT BIG SURPRISE.

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