LGBT Rights & Issues Thread, V4

[Nature-Spirits]

Interestingly, the United church in my hometown has a trans minister. I've never had the pleasure of meeting her in person, but we have mutual friends and I've heard her speak.

That's great! Really happy for her! Its great to see not only a woman in the clergy, but also an LGBT+ woman to boot!
I was referring to the more mainstream sects of Christianity however, and particularly Catholicism, but its great to hear that progress and celebration of all of human diversity, is being celebrated in some sects.

Looking at the numbers now, apparently the United Church of Canada is the biggest denomination in the country after Catholicism. Huh.

In any case, I know that internationally, such liberal denominations are far less populous. And while the Pope is a huge improvement on his predecessors, I still wish he were a bit more progressive. Ah, well, at least there are Catholics who don't always agree with the official Church doctrine.

What do you mean you disapprove?

Disapprove referring a to my opinion which is, I don't think is should be done, this by no means indicates that I will try to stop them from doing it, if brought up in a vote I would vote for it to be allowed rather then outlawed, my sense of liberty overrides my emotions on the matter.

Well, that's pretty reasonable, at least.

I think that you might be interested, still, to read some of the literature regarding transgender identity. The overwhelming consensus in the medical and psychological community is that transition should be pursued by any person who experiences gender dysphoria in any way. The alternative is frequently depression and anxiety; which are, admittedly, common among people who have undergone transition as well -- not because of gender dysphoria, as is the case for pre-transition people, but rather because of widespread transphobia. The key difference is that for pre-transition people, the only way for their psychological condition to improve is through transition; whereas for post-transition people, the thing we have to fix is societal attitudes surrounding trans people.

If you'd like to do some reading, you might start by looking at WPATH's publications, or by reading books by Julia Serano and Kate Bornstein. You might also be able to find some relevant books at your local library.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

That's great! Really happy for her! Its great to see not only a woman in the clergy, but also an LGBT+ woman to boot!
I was referring to the more mainstream sects of Christianity however, and particularly Catholicism, but its great to hear that progress and celebration of all of human diversity, is being celebrated in some sects.

Looking at the numbers now, apparently the United Church of Canada is the biggest denomination in the country after Catholicism. Huh.

In any case, I know that internationally, such liberal denominations are far less populous. And while the Pope is a huge improvement on his predecessors, I still wish he were a bit more progressive. Ah, well, at least there are Catholics who don't always agree with the official Church doctrine.

Disapprove referring a to my opinion which is, I don't think is should be done, this by no means indicates that I will try to stop them from doing it, if brought up in a vote I would vote for it to be allowed rather then outlawed, my sense of liberty overrides my emotions on the matter.

Well, that's pretty reasonable, at least.

I think that you might be interested, still, to read some of the literature regarding transgender identity. The overwhelming consensus in the medical and psychological community is that transition should be pursued by any person who experiences gender dysphoria in any way. The alternative is frequently depression and anxiety; which are, admittedly, common among people who have undergone transition as well -- not because of gender dysphoria, as is the case for pre-transition people, but rather because of widespread transphobia. The key difference is that for pre-transition people, the only way for their psychological condition to improve is through transition; whereas for post-transition people, the thing we have to fix is societal attitudes surrounding trans people.

If you'd like to do some reading, you might start by looking at WPATH's publications, or by reading books by Julia Serano and Kate Bornstein. You might also be able to find some relevant books at your local library.

Cheers I make sure to read up on some of this stuff.

[Nature-Spirits]

Looking at the numbers now, apparently the United Church of Canada is the biggest denomination in the country after Catholicism. Huh.

In any case, I know that internationally, such liberal denominations are far less populous. And while the Pope is a huge improvement on his predecessors, I still wish he were a bit more progressive. Ah, well, at least there are Catholics who don't always agree with the official Church doctrine.


Well, that's pretty reasonable, at least.

I think that you might be interested, still, to read some of the literature regarding transgender identity. The overwhelming consensus in the medical and psychological community is that transition should be pursued by any person who experiences gender dysphoria in any way. The alternative is frequently depression and anxiety; which are, admittedly, common among people who have undergone transition as well -- not because of gender dysphoria, as is the case for pre-transition people, but rather because of widespread transphobia. The key difference is that for pre-transition people, the only way for their psychological condition to improve is through transition; whereas for post-transition people, the thing we have to fix is societal attitudes surrounding trans people.

If you'd like to do some reading, you might start by looking at WPATH's publications, or by reading books by Julia Serano and Kate Bornstein. You might also be able to find some relevant books at your local library.

Cheers I make sure to read up on some of this stuff.

Great! Cheers to you as well.

[Benuty]

I'd like to table a new topic for discussion: "heterosexual activity" is immoral, something I will endlessly assert without evidence or reasoning. All heterosexuals should be pressured by society to repress their desires, and it should be an offence to suggest otherwise.

I agree everyone is going to burn in hell for having sex. If you follow the Cathars beliefs then humanity should stop having sex because it is evil, and therefore traps the souls of others into new children.

Thus the only course of action is to impose a sterility plague. To prevent any accidental children.

[Benuty]

For the greatest good to end the suffering of mankind is simply to stop having children.

After a generation nobody will be suffering since everyone will be dead. It makes perfect sense.

[Vassenor]

North Carolina’s Governor can’t understand why people are still upset about his anti-LGBT law

...Seriously?

[The V O I D]

North Carolina’s Governor can’t understand why people are still upset about his anti-LGBT law

...Seriously?

"why doesn't anyone like my bigoted anti-LGBT law? all i'm doing is discriminating against a minority group! nothing wrong with that!"

[Socialist Nordia]

North Carolina’s Governor can’t understand why people are still upset about his anti-LGBT law

...Seriously?

"why doesn't anyone like my bigoted anti-LGBT law? all i'm doing is discriminating against a minority group! nothing wrong with that!"

It's a real mystery

[Othelos]

North Carolina’s Governor can’t understand why people are still upset about his anti-LGBT law

...Seriously?

Hopefully he'll be kicked out.

[Benuty]

North Carolina’s Governor can’t understand why people are still upset about his anti-LGBT law

...Seriously?

"why doesn't anyone like my bigoted anti-LGBT law? all i'm doing is discriminating against a minority group! nothing wrong with that!"

You have to remember since there is no unified reality it could be their blue, and orange morality cannot comprehend ours. Thus not being able to understand peoples objections.

[Free Rhenish States]

North Carolina’s Governor can’t understand why people are still upset about his anti-LGBT law

...Seriously?

What a good man. I wish there were more people like him.

[Philjia]

North Carolina’s Governor can’t understand why people are still upset about his anti-LGBT law

...Seriously?

What a good man. I wish there were more people like him.

He's a senselessly cruel idiot.

[Grenartia]

North Carolina’s Governor can’t understand why people are still upset about his anti-LGBT law

...Seriously?

What a good man. I wish there were more people like him.

He's a shitty man who ruined his state based on lies and false pretenses. And there's already waay too many people like him.

[Wallenburg]

I watched The Danish Girl last night. It was interesting, but I wouldn't watch it again. As much as I appreciate the message behind it, the scriptwriting could have used more work.

[Nature-Spirits]

I watched The Danish Girl last night. It was interesting, but I wouldn't watch it again. As much as I appreciate the message behind it, the scriptwriting could have used more work.

Well, that's what happens when cis people try to tell trans stories. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I mean, to be quite honest -- although I do definitely have a problem with the way cis men are constantly cast in trans female roles (to be clear, I would be okay if cis people were cast in trans roles some of the time, especially when the role is for a trans person who hasn't yet transitioned, and I also wish that more women in general would be cast as trans women) -- I think that when a trans story is told by cis writers and cis actors, it simply isn't as authentic.

The truth is, cis writers don't know how a trans person would think, act, and respond to certain scenarios; and there are plenty of amazing trans writers out there who would jump at the chance to be involved in developing a major screenplay. And really, cis actors don't know how to portray having gender dysphoria. There are lots of performances in which a cis actor, playing as a trans character, shows absolutely no reaction to being misgendered, or to being referred to as a slur. And while sure, lots of trans people wouldn't display any overt reaction, there would still typically be the discomfort in their eyes, their stance. A trans actor would be objectively better at portraying gender dysphoria and reactions to transphobia, because they've been there in real life.

I don't see how, when you have several trans actors auditioning for a role, an objective casting director could possibly decide that a given cis actor is better for the role than all of them, almost every single time. It's a ridiculous excuse that doesn't hold up to analysis.

*sigh* Aaand that turned into a fairly long rant. But really, if a film or television series wants to accurately portray trans lives, they should hire more trans writers and actors. And not just as consultants; they should be actively involved in production.

[Thermodolia]

I watched The Danish Girl last night. It was interesting, but I wouldn't watch it again. As much as I appreciate the message behind it, the scriptwriting could have used more work.

Well, that's what happens when cis people try to tell trans stories. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I mean, to be quite honest -- although I do definitely have a problem with the way cis men are constantly cast in trans female roles (to be clear, I would be okay if cis people were cast in trans roles some of the time, especially when the role is for a trans person who hasn't yet transitioned, and I also wish that more women in general would be cast as trans women) -- I think that when a trans story is told by cis writers and cis actors, it simply isn't as authentic.

The truth is, cis writers don't know how a trans person would think, act, and respond to certain scenarios; and there are plenty of amazing trans writers out there who would jump at the chance to be involved in developing a major screenplay. And really, cis actors don't know how to portray having gender dysphoria. There are lots of performances in which a cis actor, playing as a trans character, shows absolutely no reaction to being misgendered, or to being referred to as a slur. And while sure, lots of trans people wouldn't display any overt reaction, there would still typically be the discomfort in their eyes, their stance. A trans actor would be objectively better at portraying gender dysphoria and reactions to transphobia, because they've been there in real life.

I don't see how, when you have several trans actors auditioning for a role, an objective casting director could possibly decide that a given cis actor is better for the role than all of them, almost every single time. It's a ridiculous excuse that doesn't hold up to analysis.

*sigh* Aaand that turned into a fairly long rant. But really, if a film or television series wants to accurately portray trans lives, they should hire more trans writers and actors. And not just as consultants; they should be actively involved in production.

Just wondering but what is your opinion on Transparent?

[Nature-Spirits]

Well, that's what happens when cis people try to tell trans stories. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I mean, to be quite honest -- although I do definitely have a problem with the way cis men are constantly cast in trans female roles (to be clear, I would be okay if cis people were cast in trans roles some of the time, especially when the role is for a trans person who hasn't yet transitioned, and I also wish that more women in general would be cast as trans women) -- I think that when a trans story is told by cis writers and cis actors, it simply isn't as authentic.

The truth is, cis writers don't know how a trans person would think, act, and respond to certain scenarios; and there are plenty of amazing trans writers out there who would jump at the chance to be involved in developing a major screenplay. And really, cis actors don't know how to portray having gender dysphoria. There are lots of performances in which a cis actor, playing as a trans character, shows absolutely no reaction to being misgendered, or to being referred to as a slur. And while sure, lots of trans people wouldn't display any overt reaction, there would still typically be the discomfort in their eyes, their stance. A trans actor would be objectively better at portraying gender dysphoria and reactions to transphobia, because they've been there in real life.

I don't see how, when you have several trans actors auditioning for a role, an objective casting director could possibly decide that a given cis actor is better for the role than all of them, almost every single time. It's a ridiculous excuse that doesn't hold up to analysis.

*sigh* Aaand that turned into a fairly long rant. But really, if a film or television series wants to accurately portray trans lives, they should hire more trans writers and actors. And not just as consultants; they should be actively involved in production.

Just wondering but what is your opinion on Transparent?

I've only seen the first season, and I actually thought it was quite good. The writing was solid, and Jeffrey Tambor is a good actor who, despite being a cis man, pulled off the part pretty well in my opinion. Since it is a transition story, I can understand why a cis man would have been chosen over a trans woman -- although there are trans actresses who would be willing to play in such a part if the script were good.

One of my misgivings about it is that it's not really Maura's story. It's more the story of Maura's children coming to grips with their parent's transition. And that's great -- it does a good job of portraying that, I think. But I feel like the show's producers could be more upfront about that, because I think they kind of advertise it as a trans story when, really, it's a cis story about a trans story.

[Benuty]

North Carolina’s Governor can’t understand why people are still upset about his anti-LGBT law

...Seriously?

What a good man. I wish there were more people like him.

You mean people who cause suffering on new levels?

[Othelos]

What a good man. I wish there were more people like him.

You mean people who cause suffering on new levels?

Or people who are just plain dumb/annoying?

[The V O I D]

You mean people who cause suffering on new levels?

Or people who are just plain dumb/annoying?

All of the above, of course.

[IAmRichardJEW 1]

I have no problem with Homosexuality/Lesbianism, Bisexuality, just as I want freedoms, they too should get freedom, why should a group of peoples be seen as unequal just because their sexuality may not align with mines? I support same-sex marriage.

[Greater Orensta]

I have no problem with Homosexuality/Lesbianism, Bisexuality, just as I want freedoms, they too should get freedom, why should a group of peoples be seen as unequal just because their sexuality may not align with mines? I support same-sex marriage.

Thanks mate!

[Philjia]

What a good man. I wish there were more people like him.

You mean people who cause suffering on new levels?

The worst thing about him is that even if you accept his bullshit to be true, there are much better, kinder ways to sort it than that.

[Noraika]

You mean people who cause suffering on new levels?

The worst thing about him is that even if you accept his bullshit to be true, there are much better, kinder ways to sort it than that.

Just watch. The moment they realize there are LGB+ people in their state they'll try and make Lesbians and Gays use different facilities as well for 'public safety'.

[The Alexanderians]

The worst thing about him is that even if you accept his bullshit to be true, there are much better, kinder ways to sort it than that.

Just watch. The moment they realize there are LGB+ people in their state they'll try and make Lesbians and Gays use different facilities as well for 'public safety'.

That just means people will just be more receptive of glory hole offers. *shrugs*