LGBT Rights & Issues Thread, V4

[Norway1]

I'm a Christian and I've learnt to love everyone so I don't care if people are gay or straight or whatever it's not my place to judge only God can judge so I don't mind gays I say fuck it let them get married in Australia they are not affecting my life so why not.

[Noraika]

That's great! Really happy for her! Its great to see not only a woman in the clergy, but also an LGBT+ woman to boot!
I was referring to the more mainstream sects of Christianity however, and particularly Catholicism, but its great to hear that progress and celebration of all of human diversity, is being celebrated in some sects.

What exactly has the Catholicism done, I am curious, I myself am a Catholic I just don't keep up to date with what they do.

Essentially, while the Pope isn't approving of homosexuality, he had his famed "who am I to judge" quote about LGB+ people. With transgender people however, as discussed in the previous post I made, he's been very very against it. Apparently saying that transgender identity being a legitimate thing, recognized as a medical and psychological fact, is directly and indirectly responsible for all sorts of ills in society, and that its this huge threat to society in general...you know...pretty much the same thing they were saying about homosexuality a few years back.

Kind of annoying though...was actually starting to think Pope Francis might now be too bad.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

What exactly has the Catholicism done, I am curious, I myself am a Catholic I just don't keep up to date with what they do.

Essentially, while the Pope isn't approving of homosexuality, he had his famed "who am I to judge" quote about LGB+ people. With transgender people however, as discussed in the previous post I made, he's been very very against it. Apparently saying that transgender identity being a legitimate thing, recognized as a medical and psychological fact, is directly and indirectly responsible for all sorts of ills in society, and that its this huge threat to society in general...you know...pretty much the same thing they were saying about homosexuality a few years back.

Kind of annoying though...was actually starting to think Pope Francis might now be too bad.

Compare him to previous Popes, and he's not. Compare him to your average city-dwelling American, and he's pretty reactionary.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

What exactly has the Catholicism done, I am curious, I myself am a Catholic I just don't keep up to date with what they do.

Essentially, while the Pope isn't approving of homosexuality, he had his famed "who am I to judge" quote about LGB+ people. With transgender people however, as discussed in the previous post I made, he's been very very against it. Apparently saying that transgender identity being a legitimate thing, recognized as a medical and psychological fact, is directly and indirectly responsible for all sorts of ills in society, and that its this huge threat to society in general...you know...pretty much the same thing they were saying about homosexuality a few years back.

Kind of annoying though...was actually starting to think Pope Francis might now be too bad.

Personally I not very fond of transgender either, but like the pope said, who am I to judge.

[Elepis]

Essentially, while the Pope isn't approving of homosexuality, he had his famed "who am I to judge" quote about LGB+ people. With transgender people however, as discussed in the previous post I made, he's been very very against it. Apparently saying that transgender identity being a legitimate thing, recognized as a medical and psychological fact, is directly and indirectly responsible for all sorts of ills in society, and that its this huge threat to society in general...you know...pretty much the same thing they were saying about homosexuality a few years back.

Kind of annoying though...was actually starting to think Pope Francis might now be too bad.

Personally I not very fond of transgender either, but like the pope said, who am I to judge.

what's not to be fond of?

[Noraika]

Essentially, while the Pope isn't approving of homosexuality, he had his famed "who am I to judge" quote about LGB+ people. With transgender people however, as discussed in the previous post I made, he's been very very against it. Apparently saying that transgender identity being a legitimate thing, recognized as a medical and psychological fact, is directly and indirectly responsible for all sorts of ills in society, and that its this huge threat to society in general...you know...pretty much the same thing they were saying about homosexuality a few years back.

Kind of annoying though...was actually starting to think Pope Francis might now be too bad.

Compare him to previous Popes, and he's not. Compare him to your average city-dwelling American, and he's pretty reactionary.

Oh I didn't mean "not be too bad" in comparison to other Popes. I meant "meant to bad" on LGB+ and Transgender issues in general. I never did think he'd be good about it, but I'd be lying if my hopes weren't up a bit. Anyways, yeah, the average American is increasingly perfectly fine with, and support the equal expression and rights of, LGB+ and Transgender people. In the millennial generation, for example, those who don't are a very small minority.

What's been really encouraging is, in my experience, seeing people moving towards positions that being LGB+ isn't something that a person needs to hide, or that its a big deal or an issue at all, especially since people have been able to be more openly LGBT+, which means most people know someone who's LGB+, and about 1/3 of American voters currently know someone who's transgender.

Not out of the water at all yet, and there's still a lot of problems with how LGB+ and Transgender people are treated, but at least things are showing signs that they may improve in future.

[Noraika]

Personally I not very fond of transgender either, but like the pope said, who am I to judge.

what's not to be fond of?

Indeed. Nothing to be more or less fond of than any other person.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Personally I not very fond of transgender either, but like the pope said, who am I to judge.

what's not to be fond of?

It's more based on emotion than fact, but like I said I won't stop others.

[Noraika]

what's not to be fond of?

It's more based on emotion than fact, but like I said I won't stop others.

Actually its based of medical and psychological fact, and consists of a variety of factors which are independent from emotion, although emotion can also be one of the many variables, but if you have a source that says otherwise feel free to present it.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

It's more based on emotion than fact, but like I said I won't stop others.

Actually its based of medical and psychological fact, and consists of a variety of factors which are independent from emotion, although emotion can also be one of the many variables, but if you have a source that says otherwise feel free to present it.

I was referring to my views on the matter not the fact that others think themselves of the other sex.

[Noraika]

Actually its based of medical and psychological fact, and consists of a variety of factors which are independent from emotion, although emotion can also be one of the many variables, but if you have a source that says otherwise feel free to present it.

I was referring to my views on the matter not the fact that others think themselves of the other sex.

Oh I see. You'll have to excuse me...I'm used to the mention of 'emotions' being a method for people to discredit the fact that some people's psychological function of gender identity doesn't always align with their physical sex. Its a very poor argument, but unfortunately its one I've kind of grown used to. ^-^;

I don't mean this as a criticism, and am only fulfilling my duty as self-appointed "Queen of Nit-picks", but transgender identity isn't a person thinking of themselves as the other sex, but rather that a person already is another gender from their physical sex, due to the aspect and functions of their subconscious called gender identity, which is innate and unchangeable. Okay, nit-pick over.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

I was referring to my views on the matter not the fact that others think themselves of the other sex.

Oh I see. You'll have to excuse me...I'm used to the mention of 'emotions' being a method for people to discredit the fact that some people's psychological function of gender identity doesn't always align with their physical sex. Its a very poor argument, but unfortunately its one I've kind of grown used to. ^-^;

I don't mean this as a criticism, and am only fulfilling my duty as self-appointed "Queen of Nit-picks", but transgender identity isn't a person thinking of themselves as the other sex, but rather that a person already is another gender from their physical sex, due to the aspect and functions of their subconscious called gender identity, which is innate and unchangeable. Okay, nit-pick over.

It of no consequence, the amount of times I've had to apologise for similar mistakes would astound some people.
And I extend my thanks for correcting my confusion with the way trans people see themselves.

[Noraika]

Oh I see. You'll have to excuse me...I'm used to the mention of 'emotions' being a method for people to discredit the fact that some people's psychological function of gender identity doesn't always align with their physical sex. Its a very poor argument, but unfortunately its one I've kind of grown used to. ^-^;

I don't mean this as a criticism, and am only fulfilling my duty as self-appointed "Queen of Nit-picks", but transgender identity isn't a person thinking of themselves as the other sex, but rather that a person already is another gender from their physical sex, due to the aspect and functions of their subconscious called gender identity, which is innate and unchangeable. Okay, nit-pick over.

It of no consequence, the amount of times I've had to apologise for similar mistakes would astound some people.
And I extend my thanks for correcting my confusion with the way trans people see themselves.

I've had much more embarrassing mistakes before, in terms of political discussions with people. I once ended up in a debate with someone for almost 30 minutes simply because a word meant different things to both of us due to where we were raised. In the end it turned out we were both arguing for the exact same thing, which was embarrassing.

In short, these things happen don't worry about it, although I admittedly still don't see a reason to dislike transgender people.

I don't know if I can say 'every transgender person sees themselves as x or y'...all I can say is that 'this is what we know about why transgender people are how they are according to the available medical and psychological data. They just are whatever gender they are, essentially. Trans-girls are girls and trans-men are men. There's really no big or meaningful difference between trans and cis people of the same gender, at least not as far as medicinal and scientific classifications go.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Compare him to previous Popes, and he's not. Compare him to your average city-dwelling American, and he's pretty reactionary.

Oh I didn't mean "not be too bad" in comparison to other Popes. I meant "meant to bad" on LGB+ and Transgender issues in general. I never did think he'd be good about it, but I'd be lying if my hopes weren't up a bit. Anyways, yeah, the average American is increasingly perfectly fine with, and support the equal expression and rights of, LGB+ and Transgender people. In the millennial generation, for example, those who don't are a very small minority.

What's been really encouraging is, in my experience, seeing people moving towards positions that being LGB+ isn't something that a person needs to hide, or that its a big deal or an issue at all, especially since people have been able to be more openly LGBT+, which means most people know someone who's LGB+, and about 1/3 of American voters currently know someone who's transgender.

Not out of the water at all yet, and there's still a lot of problems with how LGB+ and Transgender people are treated, but at least things are showing signs that they may improve in future.

Hell, the fact that a Pope is able to take anything short of a "They're all going to burn" position on these issues is something of a miracle, even if he does fall short in many ways. Sometimes progress comes in leaps, bounds, and even waves, other times it comes incrementally.

[UnjustlyBannedLlamas]

Essentially, while the Pope isn't approving of homosexuality, he had his famed "who am I to judge" quote about LGB+ people. With transgender people however, as discussed in the previous post I made, he's been very very against it. Apparently saying that transgender identity being a legitimate thing, recognized as a medical and psychological fact, is directly and indirectly responsible for all sorts of ills in society, and that its this huge threat to society in general...you know...pretty much the same thing they were saying about homosexuality a few years back.

Kind of annoying though...was actually starting to think Pope Francis might now be too bad.

Personally I not very fond of transgender either, but like the pope said, who am I to judge.

Why are you trans-phobic?

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Personally I not very fond of transgender either, but like the pope said, who am I to judge.

Why are you trans-phobic?

I'm not trans-phobic, that would require a intense dislike of trans people and prejudice against trans people, If we go by the word phobic it would require a irrational fear of Trans people, I don't dislike Trans people I disapprove of the idea, I don't hold a prejudice against them, if I were a employer and they were able to do the job better then everyone else then I would hire them, I also hold no fear for them after all they are just people.

[UnjustlyBannedLlamas]

Why are you trans-phobic?

I'm not trans-phobic, that would require a intense dislike of trans people and prejudice against trans people, If we go by the word phobic it would require a irrational fear of Trans people, I don't dislike Trans people I disapprove of the idea, I don't hold a prejudice against them, if I were a employer and they were able to do the job better then everyone else then I would hire them, I also hold no fear for them after all they are just people.

What do you mean you disapprove?

[FelrikTheDeleted]

I'm not trans-phobic, that would require a intense dislike of trans people and prejudice against trans people, If we go by the word phobic it would require a irrational fear of Trans people, I don't dislike Trans people I disapprove of the idea, I don't hold a prejudice against them, if I were a employer and they were able to do the job better then everyone else then I would hire them, I also hold no fear for them after all they are just people.

What do you mean you disapprove?

Disapprove referring a to my opinion which is, I don't think is should be done, this by no means indicates that I will try to stop them from doing it, if brought up in a vote I would vote for it to be allowed rather then outlawed, my sense of liberty overrides my emotions on the matter.

[Elepis]

What do you mean you disapprove?

Disapprove referring a to my opinion which is, I don't think is should be done, this by no means indicates that I will try to stop them from doing it, if brought up in a vote I would vote for it to be allowed rather then outlawed, my sense of liberty overrides my emotions on the matter.

and that is a very mature action as well

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Disapprove referring a to my opinion which is, I don't think is should be done, this by no means indicates that I will try to stop them from doing it, if brought up in a vote I would vote for it to be allowed rather then outlawed, my sense of liberty overrides my emotions on the matter.

and that is a very mature action as well

Cheers.

[Herrebrugh]

Say NO to demonic homosexuality.

But that's the best kind!

[Elepis]

Say NO to demonic homosexuality.

may I ask why you think I am a daemon?

[Katganistan]

Say NO to demonic homosexuality.

*** Warned for trolling ***

You can post an opposing opinion so long as you do it civilly -- not as a one line insult. And for rules lawyers, not as a multiple line insult, either.

[Quokkastan]

Say NO to demonic homosexuality.

Well yeah... I mean, they have spikes on their penises. And their fluids are caustic.

You should say no to demonic heterosexuality too.

[Farnhamia]

Say NO to demonic homosexuality.

Well yeah... I mean, they have spikes on their penises. And their fluids are caustic.

You should say no to demonic heterosexuality too.

Seriously? Kat issues a warning for something, you take it, stand it on its head in THE POST IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE WARNING and you somehow think that's okay?

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