LGBT Rights & Issues Thread, V4

[Neutraligon]

I have and d go about wearing baggy messy clothing (sometimes I really just don't care) and grease and other stains (due to my being an engineer). Tell me, am I allowed in the women's room? Please note I am a female.

This conflicts with my perception of you as Batman, and with my reading everything you say in Batman's voice.

also I never knew.

Most people have no idea what sex I am when I am online. I identify as agender though because I don't think I can feel dysphoria, even if I were to wake up in a male body (the first thing I thought of when asked that question is why and how with me not really caring about my now having a very different body).

Also, who says I am not Batman is not female in disguise.

[The Grene Knyght]

This conflicts with my perception of you as Batman, and with my reading everything you say in Batman's voice.

also I never knew.

Most people have no idea what sex I am when I am online. I identify as agender though because I don't think I can feel dysphoria, even if I were to wake up in a male body (the first thing I thought of when asked that question is why and how with me not really caring about my now having a very different body).

same tbh
you put in words what I've felt for a long while but never been able to describe...

[The V O I D]

I'm not sure, exactly, but probably. I was giving a generalization of a feminine-looking transwoman.

Sorry if I did something offensive.

Eh, I mean, it just seemed it was going in the wrong direction, I'm sorry if I came off a little strong. But, you did a swell job explaining for the most part!

I don't really do physical contact (hug emojis are scary) IRL or on the internet, but it's no problem.

Sometimes, I can come off as blunt/rude to people or say things and add to them later so people misinterpret my earlier statements.

I'm a biromantic heterosexual/maybe-bisexual who is struggling to understand why I'm attracted to people at all. See, I have aspergers among other mental and psychological issues, so... I don't know how to social norms and such, and I know why I'm attracted to who I'm attracted to, and understand it; but at the same time I don't. If that makes sense.

[The V O I D]

This conflicts with my perception of you as Batman, and with my reading everything you say in Batman's voice.

also I never knew.

Most people have no idea what sex I am when I am online. I identify as agender though because I don't think I can feel dysphoria, even if I were to wake up in a male body (the first thing I thought of when asked that question is why and how with me not really caring about my now having a very different body).

Also, who says I am not Batman is not female in disguise.

...fair enough.

[Neutraligon]

Most people have no idea what sex I am when I am online. I identify as agender though because I don't think I can feel dysphoria, even if I were to wake up in a male body (the first thing I thought of when asked that question is why and how with me not really caring about my now having a very different body).

same tbh
you put in words what I've felt for a long while but never been able to describe...

It's just such an interesting idea. I mean was I the only one who switched bodies? Was my entire DNA structure changed or was it just one chromosome. What in the world happened. Does it really hurt to be kicked in the crotch....Do I have to change my IDs. So many interesting questions.

For me, I have tended to have issues when it comes to say gender roles. I just never really got the idea. I have issues understanding the idea of gender or dysphoria. I mean I try, and I get that people can have severe depression over this, but the idea itself goes right over my head.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

This conflicts with my perception of you as Batman, and with my reading everything you say in Batman's voice.

also I never knew.

Most people have no idea what sex I am when I am online. I identify as agender though because I don't think I can feel dysphoria, even if I were to wake up in a male body (the first thing I thought of when asked that question is why and how with me not really caring about my now having a very different body).

Also, who says I am not Batman is not female in disguise.

Your flag combined with your writings above combine perfectly.

[Venerable Bede]

He claims it isn't his job to decide how that is defined, but the government's. Sounds to me like he'll agree with the government definition.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand now I'm an anarchist.

That would rule out any possibility of state funding for transsexual procedures.

[The V O I D]

same tbh

It's just such an interesting idea. I mean was I the only one who switched bodies? Was my entire DNA structure changed or was it just one chromosome. What in the world happened. Does it really hurt to be kicked in the crotch....Do I have to change my IDs. So many interesting questions.

According to various studies and personal experience, being kicked in the balls registers the same level of pain as would happen if you broke every single bone in your body or gave birth 3,000 times in a row.

[The Grene Knyght]

It's just such an interesting idea. I mean was I the only one who switched bodies? Was my entire DNA structure changed or was it just one chromosome. What in the world happened. Does it really hurt to be kicked in the crotch....Do I have to change my IDs. So many interesting questions.

According to various studies and personal experience, being kicked in the balls registers the same level of pain as would happen if you broke every single bone in your body or gave birth 3,000 times in a row.

I... don't think thats true...

[The V O I D]

According to various studies and personal experience, being kicked in the balls registers the same level of pain as would happen if you broke every single bone in your body or gave birth 3,000 times in a row.

I... don't think thats true...

Hey, science is science.

I'm going to bed because otherwise I'll be unable to wake from the dead tomorrow for school.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

This conflicts with my perception of you as Batman, and with my reading everything you say in Batman's voice.

also I never knew.

Most people have no idea what sex I am when I am online. I identify as agender though because I don't think I can feel dysphoria, even if I were to wake up in a male body (the first thing I thought of when asked that question is why and how with me not really caring about my now having a very different body).

Also, who says I am not Batman is not female in disguise.

Also it should be said that the unofficial rules of the internet apply.

>All males are males on the internet
>All females are male on the internet
>All children on the internet are FBI agents in disguise

[United Marxist Nations]

And there are plenty of other mental illnesses that are naturally caused.

Yes, while that is true, there are usually other factors involved - and most of them involve the brain self-destructing or ceasing certain functions over time.

Being transgender and gender dysphoria cause no brain damage/trauma and are not caused by such, therefor equating them to mental illnesses that cause brain damage/trauma or are caused by brain damage/trauma is false equivalency.

Being transgender is natural to one's neurology as well as gender dysphoria. The only reason you identify as male is because of your neurology. It is only partially psychological, and that's only for dysphoria.

A lot of illnesses are just how the brain is wired. Schizophrenia, for example. Or, better yet, for just neurological disorders in-general, autism.

The psychological gender not matching to biological sex is pretty much a neurological disorder.

[Pasovo-nacoBo]

So...hi LGBTQ+ Community! How is everyone, I have been researching the transgender community in India. And it is crazy! I want to hear gender non conforming, and trans* people's opinions on this:
In India there is are 'three sexes' Male, Female, and Third Gender. Third Gender people have been rooted since Ancient times since they represent the combination of male and female.
So, what is crazy about this is in India, there is a seperate caste for people who are transgender. There are atleast half a million people defining as transgender, and these people are called "Hijras". It is interesting since while LGB+ rights are not so much recognized, Hijras are considered an entity in India. The situations here are endless:
Hijras are given a special place in Society. They were caregivers to the Kings of the Mughal Empire from around the 1600's to later.
Hijras have Gods & Goddesses that protect and oversee transgender people.

To quote a researcher who I will link below:
"In Asia, Hijras persist even today, although their reverence is often limited to the belief that their presence at weddings is a good portent for the couple. They do tend to suffer in the modern Indian caste system, something that "eunuchs" of all types are banding together to work to improve (i.e. only recently was a Hijra able to vote, and now there have been Hijran elected officials). Historically, they have often worshipped the mother-goddess Bahuchara Mata, although some also worshipped Shiva in his half-man, half-woman persona, Ardhanarisvara."
One God of note is called Iravan. He is the patron God for Transgender people, and have several temples in India made for him!
In one story of Rama, a major God in Vedic (Ancient Indian) Mythology, this was said:
"Ramayana, when Rama leaves Ayodhya for his 14-year exile, a crowd of his subjects follow him into the forest because of their devotion to him. Soon Rama notices this, and gathers them to tell them not to mourn, and that all the "men and women" of his kingdom should return to their places in Ayodhya. Rama then leaves and has adventures for 14 years. When he returns to Ayodhya, he finds that the hijras, being neither men nor women, have not moved from the place where he gave his speech. Impressed with their devotion, Rama grants hijras the boon to confer blessings on people during auspicious inaugural occasions like childbirth and weddings"
So yep, Hijras mostly live in their societies in India. Like, legit. There is a "Land of Hijras", "Hijra Park" "Hijra World" The Lost World of- I'm sorry, too many jurassic park jokes, Anyway, Hijras formed their own society in India, though oppressed because of colonialism. They, over there, transgender people are believed to have magical powers at which it is good luck to have atleast one at a wedding.
So, please, if you are parts of the gender identity community, feel free to discuss this. I ask for everyone else, look at it as a part of LGBT+ History, and a people who are living proof Transgender people are natural, and have a *rightful* place in both society and nature.

Here is a great link below!
http://bilerico.lgbtqnation.com/2008/02 ... ion_in.php

Hopefully, this will spark a brand new conversation, instead of beating the dead over old things...

[Pasovo-nacoBo]

(oh, and regardin Hijras in India. This group of people, although having it really rough in India, have this thing called "transgender welfare." Where money is given to help these people get out of poverty)

[Neutraligon]

Most people have no idea what sex I am when I am online. I identify as agender though because I don't think I can feel dysphoria, even if I were to wake up in a male body (the first thing I thought of when asked that question is why and how with me not really caring about my now having a very different body).

Also, who says I am not Batman is not female in disguise.

Also it should be said that the unofficial rules of the internet apply.

>All males are males on the internet
>All females are male on the internet
>All children on the internet are FBI agents in disguise

True. it's just funny. Most people think I am male online. The only time this isn't true is when I comment on manga forums, where for some reason despite my liking shonen manga, people assume I am female.

[Venerable Bede]

I... don't think thats true...

Hey, science is science.

I'm going to bed because otherwise I'll be unable to wake from the dead tomorrow for school.

The project of science is correcting science.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Also it should be said that the unofficial rules of the internet apply.

>All males are males on the internet
>All females are male on the internet
>All children on the internet are FBI agents in disguise

True. it's just funny. Most people think I am male online. The only time this isn't true is when I comment on manga forums, where for some reason despite my liking shonen manga, people assume I am female.

Must be the Batman.

[Neutraligon]

True. it's just funny. Most people think I am male online. The only time this isn't true is when I comment on manga forums, where for some reason despite my liking shonen manga, people assume I am female.

Must be the Batman.

I had an Akatsuki no Yona flag before this. I just loved the expression, it fit so well for this forum.

[The Grene Knyght]

Also it should be said that the unofficial rules of the internet apply.

>All males are males on the internet
>All females are male on the internet
>All children on the internet are FBI agents in disguise

True. it's just funny. Most people think I am male online. The only time this isn't true is when I comment on manga forums, where for some reason despite my liking shonen manga, people assume I am female.

For some reason, in certain threads of this website, people assume im female, and in others people assume im male...
I have never mentioned my gender on this website, and I don't think I've done anything to imply it, either.

[Neutraligon]

True. it's just funny. Most people think I am male online. The only time this isn't true is when I comment on manga forums, where for some reason despite my liking shonen manga, people assume I am female.

For some reason, in certain threads of this website, people assume im female, and in others people assume im male...
I have never mentioned my gender on this website, and I don't think I've done anything to imply it, either.

Yeah, it really is funny what people will assume and where. In another forum I was called a white knight for calling myself a feminist....I just about died laughing.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Must be the Batman.

I had an Akatsuki no Yona flag before this. I just loved the expression, it fit so well for this forum.

It is pretty based.

[Neutraligon]

So...hi LGBTQ+ Community! How is everyone, I have been researching the transgender community in India. And it is crazy! I want to hear gender non conforming, and trans* people's opinions on this:
In India there is are 'three sexes' Male, Female, and Third Gender. Third Gender people have been rooted since Ancient times since they represent the combination of male and female.
So, what is crazy about this is in India, there is a seperate caste for people who are transgender. There are atleast half a million people defining as transgender, and these people are called "Hijras". It is interesting since while LGB+ rights are not so much recognized, Hijras are considered an entity in India. The situations here are endless:
Hijras are given a special place in Society. They were caregivers to the Kings of the Mughal Empire from around the 1600's to later.
Hijras have Gods & Goddesses that protect and oversee transgender people.

To quote a researcher who I will link below:
"In Asia, Hijras persist even today, although their reverence is often limited to the belief that their presence at weddings is a good portent for the couple. They do tend to suffer in the modern Indian caste system, something that "eunuchs" of all types are banding together to work to improve (i.e. only recently was a Hijra able to vote, and now there have been Hijran elected officials). Historically, they have often worshipped the mother-goddess Bahuchara Mata, although some also worshipped Shiva in his half-man, half-woman persona, Ardhanarisvara."
One God of note is called Iravan. He is the patron God for Transgender people, and have several temples in India made for him!
In one story of Rama, a major God in Vedic (Ancient Indian) Mythology, this was said:
"Ramayana, when Rama leaves Ayodhya for his 14-year exile, a crowd of his subjects follow him into the forest because of their devotion to him. Soon Rama notices this, and gathers them to tell them not to mourn, and that all the "men and women" of his kingdom should return to their places in Ayodhya. Rama then leaves and has adventures for 14 years. When he returns to Ayodhya, he finds that the hijras, being neither men nor women, have not moved from the place where he gave his speech. Impressed with their devotion, Rama grants hijras the boon to confer blessings on people during auspicious inaugural occasions like childbirth and weddings"
So yep, Hijras mostly live in their societies in India. Like, legit. There is a "Land of Hijras", "Hijra Park" "Hijra World" The Lost World of- I'm sorry, too many jurassic park jokes, Anyway, Hijras formed their own society in India, though oppressed because of colonialism. They, over there, transgender people are believed to have magical powers at which it is good luck to have atleast one at a wedding.
So, please, if you are parts of the gender identity community, feel free to discuss this. I ask for everyone else, look at it as a part of LGBT+ History, and a people who are living proof Transgender people are natural, and have a *rightful* place in both society and nature.

Here is a great link below!
http://bilerico.lgbtqnation.com/2008/02 ... ion_in.php

Hopefully, this will spark a brand new conversation, instead of beating the dead over old things...

I find the idea interesting. I mean Native American tribes have a third gender, as do many other societies around the world. I don't know of other societies that go as far as you described though.

[Pasovo-nacoBo]

Here is a great link below!
http://bilerico.lgbtqnation.com/2008/02 ... ion_in.php
Hopefully, this will spark a brand new conversation, instead of beating the dead over old things...

I find the idea interesting. I mean Native American tribes have a third gender, as do many other societies around the world. I don't know of other societies that go as far as you described though.

Some Native American cultures had seven genders!
(possibly bad source)
http://www.angelfire.com/on/otherwise/native.html
(It is widely accepted some for certain had 5)
But yes, if I recall in some isolated places in the Pacific, Transgender people upon walking up to the shore, could very well be worshipped. What I looked through in all my research were places untouched by.....well, I call it the elephant in the room, maybe you can guess it. Anyway, in Islam, like the Mughal Empire located in Northern Inida and place east of Iran, surprisingly transgender people were treated with better respect than in *other* places. But yep, some go pretty far. Many are considered 'good luck". Many are seen to have powerful abilities! I can verify this, as well!
(also, the link I quoted has an in-debth analysis of transgender and LGBT people in herstory)

[The Grene Knyght]

I find the idea interesting. I mean Native American tribes have a third gender, as do many other societies around the world. I don't know of other societies that go as far as you described though.

Some Native American cultures had seven genders!
(possibly bad source)
http://www.angelfire.com/on/otherwise/native.html
(It is widely accepted some for certain had 5)
But yes, if I recall in some isolated places in the Pacific, Transgender people upon walking up to the shore, could very well be worshipped. What I looked through in all my research were places untouched by.....well, I call it the elephant in the room, maybe you can guess it. Anyway, in Islam, like the Mughal Empire located in Northern Inida and place east of Iran, surprisingly transgender people were treated with better respect than in *other* places. But yep, some go pretty far. Many are considered 'good luck". Many are seen to have powerful abilities! I can verify this, as well!
(also, the link I quoted has an in-debth analysis of transgender and LGBT people in herstory)

Yeah I think European ideas of the gender binary have become wayyyy too normalised.

[Pasovo-nacoBo]

Anyone think I should share this on the trasgender discussion thread? My my, there is two threads!