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Postby HMS Vanguard » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:20 pm

Freefall11111 wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:And why is it relevant where it came from?

Because anything the Nazis ever touched must be banned from ever being used again. Quick, dismantle all our jet planes.

Your jet planes have their roots in the engine of Frank Whittle and his company Power Jets Ltd, not the Nazi efforts.
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Postby The Confederacy of Nationalism » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:21 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:I would disagree with the bolded statement, because there are people who identify as a different gender and expect others to respect that in speech and writing despite physical reality - it's a spook, in the Max Stirner sense.


My point is that they're not saying that they don't have the chromosomes of someone of their sex at birth, only that they've chosen to go with what they identify as rather than what they were biologically assigned at conception. Yes, they expect others to respect that choice, and it's almost unbelievably petty that people would have an issue with that.

I only take issue with it because philosophically I respect physical reality above all else.


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Italios wrote:I think they expect others not to disregard their biology, but to it out of respect for their self identification.


Sorta like if someone asks you to call them Katy instead of Catherine.

That's a bit different since the concept of naming is a spook too.
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Postby Freefall11111 » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:21 pm

HMS Vanguard wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:Because anything the Nazis ever touched must be banned from ever being used again. Quick, dismantle all our jet planes.

Your jet planes have their roots in the engine of Frank Whittle and his company Power Jets Ltd, not the Nazi efforts.

Whoosh.

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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:21 pm

HMS Vanguard wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:And why is it relevant where it came from?

Supposedly Mengele produced some quality work, so it would lend credibility to your side of the argument.

Again why does it matter where it came from? Who performed the experiment has little to do with the credibility of the experiment.
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Postby Felrik » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:21 pm

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Reminds me of George Orwell's s "1984" or possibly even that new game "We Happy Few".

I'm pretty sure neither include AI.


No but when you said " AI take over" it reminded me of the control that the leaders had over the people.
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Postby Freefall11111 » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:22 pm

Felrik wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:I'm pretty sure neither include AI.


No but when you said " AI take over" it reminded me of the control that the leaders had over the people.

I wasn't thinking total control of everyone's lives, I was thinking replacing national and military leaders with benevolent AI that minimise suffering across the globe.

But since we don't have advanced AI, there's no way to guess what an AI controlled world would look like.

Edit: I'm being optimistic.
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Postby HMS Vanguard » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:22 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
HMS Vanguard wrote:Supposedly Mengele produced some quality work, so it would lend credibility to your side of the argument.

Again why does it matter where it came from? Who performed the experiment has little to do with the credibility of the experiment.

Rubbish. An experiment performed by a reputed scientist such as Michael Faraday or Josef Mengele has much more credibility than an experiment performed by some amateur.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:24 pm

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Neutraligon wrote:Again why does it matter where it came from? Who performed the experiment has little to do with the credibility of the experiment.

Rubbish. An experiment performed by a reputed scientist such as Michael Faraday or Josef Mengele has much more credibility than an experiment performed by some amateur.

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Postby Felrik » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:24 pm

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Felrik wrote:
No but when you said " AI take over" it reminded me of the control that the leaders had over the people.

I wasn't thinking total control of everyone's lives, I was thinking replacing national and military leaders with benevolent AI that minimise suffering across the globe.

But since we don't have advanced AI, there's no way to guess what an AI controlled world would look like.

Edit: I'm being optimistic.


Who knows maybe that is the ultimate solution.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:25 pm

HMS Vanguard wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
What about the use of hormone blockers constitutes torture?

Chemically castrating someone who cannot reasonably consent constitutes torture.


If the parents are not forcing it upon the child, but are rather doing it by the request of the child, and under medical supervision, then consent is a non-issue both legally and ethically.

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Postby Kamchastkia » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:25 pm

Felrik wrote:
Kamchastkia wrote:White Lives Don't Matter, they've been systemically suppressing indigeneous peoples like African-Americans for centuries! Why does their life matter when they are going around putting the indigenous peoples down for their own benefit???


Are you serious or are you actually being sarcastic, if you're being sarcastic you might want to admit it, if not.......


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Look. You keep trying to belittle my opinions by saying I'm joking. Jesus. Whites owe the indigeneous like african-americans, something for all the years of enslavement and the current genocide of them by police everywhere. Something has to be done to stop this war and save indigeneous communities.

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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:25 pm

HMS Vanguard wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Again why does it matter where it came from? Who performed the experiment has little to do with the credibility of the experiment.

Rubbish. An experiment performed by a reputed scientist such as Michael Faraday or Josef Mengele has much more credibility than an experiment performed by some amateur.

Only if you do not look at the experiment itself. The only reason one has more credibility is that one is more likely to perform the experiment in such a way as to remove bias then the other. However the methodology of the experiment itself would determine this and as such no, who did the experiment is indeed irrelevant as long as you have the methodology in front of you. That is in fact one of the key components of science, that it does not matter who does the experiment, what matters is how the experiment is done.
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:26 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
HMS Vanguard wrote:Rubbish. An experiment performed by a reputed scientist such as Michael Faraday or Josef Mengele has much more credibility than an experiment performed by some amateur.

I discredit anything that came from Josef Mengele

I don't and I am Jewish. What I do is condemn the methodology he used to find the results he did.
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Postby Freefall11111 » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:26 pm

Kamchastkia wrote:
Felrik wrote:
Are you serious or are you actually being sarcastic, if you're being sarcastic you might want to admit it, if not.......


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Look. You keep trying to belittle my opinions by saying I'm joking. Jesus. Whites owe the indigeneous like african-americans, something for all the years of enslavement and the current genocide of them by police everywhere. Something has to be done to stop this war and save indigeneous communities.

You know, if you're going to troll, at least remember to remove your political positions from your signature.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:27 pm

The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
My point is that they're not saying that they don't have the chromosomes of someone of their sex at birth, only that they've chosen to go with what they identify as rather than what they were biologically assigned at conception. Yes, they expect others to respect that choice, and it's almost unbelievably petty that people would have an issue with that.

I only take issue with it because philosophically I respect physical reality above all else.



So that would also make you against hair dye, makeup, wigs for cancer patients. and other attempts to mask or counter physical reality.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:27 pm

HMS Vanguard wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:And why is it relevant where it came from?

Supposedly Mengele produced some quality work, so it would lend credibility to your side of the argument.


Did Mengele experiment with hormone blockers on prepubescent transgender children?

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Postby Liriena » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:27 pm

Magna Singulorum wrote:
Liriena wrote:Nice red herring mate.

Didn't answer the question, so I take that as a no. You and your ilk only seek to publicize crimes that fit the political narrative, which is Rich White People are Evil and they only way they can overcome their White Guilt and Privilege is to give away all of their wealth and either become homosexual or breed interracial.

Screw your liberal propaganda, I will defend my beliefs and my heritage until this plague of White Genocide is defeated once and for all.

Nope.

Nice lump of white nationalist argle-bargle, though.
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:28 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:I only take issue with it because philosophically I respect physical reality above all else.



So that would also make you against hair dye, makeup, wigs for cancer patients. and other attempts to mask or counter physical reality.

Also, how is the brain not physical reality. Identity is after all something made in the brain, and that would include gender identity.
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Postby HMS Vanguard » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:28 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
HMS Vanguard wrote:Rubbish. An experiment performed by a reputed scientist such as Michael Faraday or Josef Mengele has much more credibility than an experiment performed by some amateur.

Only if you do not look at the experiment itself. The only reason one has more credibility is that one is more likely to perform the experiment in such a way as to remove bias then the other. However the methodology of the experiment itself would determine this and as such no, who did the experiment is indeed irrelevant as long as you have the methodology in front of you. That is in fact one of the key components of science, that it does not matter who does the experiment, what matters is how the experiment is done.

I rarely have complete documentation of the experiment itself, so the credibility of the experimenter is relevant.
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Postby Kamchastkia » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:28 pm

Freefall11111 wrote:
Kamchastkia wrote:Look. You keep trying to belittle my opinions by saying I'm joking. Jesus. Whites owe the indigeneous like african-americans, something for all the years of enslavement and the current genocide of them by police everywhere. Something has to be done to stop this war and save indigeneous communities.

You know, if you're going to troll, at least remember to remove your political positions from your signature.

I haven't updated that crap in two years now. It still links to the old senate.

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Postby Freefall11111 » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:29 pm

Kamchastkia wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:You know, if you're going to troll, at least remember to remove your political positions from your signature.

I haven't updated that crap in two years now. It still links to the old senate.

Sure, pal.

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Postby Felrik » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:29 pm

Liriena wrote:
Magna Singulorum wrote:Didn't answer the question, so I take that as a no. You and your ilk only seek to publicize crimes that fit the political narrative, which is Rich White People are Evil and they only way they can overcome their White Guilt and Privilege is to give away all of their wealth and either become homosexual or breed interracial.

Screw your liberal propaganda, I will defend my beliefs and my heritage until this plague of White Genocide is defeated once and for all.

Nope.

Nice lump of white nationalist argle-bargle.


Wtf is actually going on, one side claims this, one side claims that.....

Ffffffuuuuuuuuuucccccckkkk
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:29 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
HMS Vanguard wrote:Supposedly Mengele produced some quality work, so it would lend credibility to your side of the argument.


Did Mengele experiment with hormone blockers on prepubescent transgender children?

As I said before I fail to see why that matters. If he did, the results already exist and it would be a shame not to use them. If he did not then the results already exist and it would be a shame not to use them.

As to the demonstration, as long as they are not blocking people from getting to or from the building and are not on private property, I really don't care that they are demonstrating.
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Postby HMS Vanguard » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:31 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Did Mengele experiment with hormone blockers on prepubescent transgender children?

As I said before I fail to see why that matters.

Your replies bore me. If you refuse to answer the question then just say so.
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Postby Felrik » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:31 pm

Kamchastkia wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:You know, if you're going to troll, at least remember to remove your political positions from your signature.

I haven't updated that crap in two years now. It still links to the old senate.


It's so clear you're a troll mate, just admit it.
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And do as I like with in the confines of the law.

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Cons: Feminism, people who put feelings before fact, and Islam also people who think the "Guilty until proven innocent" mentality is acceptable.

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