White Supremacist Demonstration Outside Houston NAACP HQ

[Yumyumsuppertime]

So white people are out in public openly displaying weapons and no-one has been shot.

Wonder why.

Gee, it's like conservative white people can typically be trusted with guns, and aren't going to be brandishing them sideways an killing cops.

Are you saying that non-conservative black people cannot be trusted with guns? That seems to be your implication.

[Neutraligon]

So white people are out in public openly displaying weapons and no-one has been shot.

Wonder why.

Gee, it's like conservative white people can typically be trusted with guns, and aren't going to be brandishing them sideways an killing cops.

Tell that to the people who took over that nature outpost. Tell that to the people "defending" their right to graze cattle on land not their own.

[Yorkers]

Gee, it's like conservative white people can typically be trusted with guns, and aren't going to be brandishing them sideways an killing cops.

Tell that to the people who took over that nature outpost. Tell that to the people "defending" their right to graze cattle on land not their own.

All they did was squat in a shed.

Meanwhile in Dallas...

[Yorkers]

Gee, it's like conservative white people can typically be trusted with guns, and aren't going to be brandishing them sideways an killing cops.

Are you saying that non-conservative black people cannot be trusted with guns? That seems to be your implication.

The black rate of gun crime is so high, that if you were to factor it out, the US gun crime's rate would be comparable to that of European countries.

[Genivaria]

Gee, it's like conservative white people can typically be trusted with guns, and aren't going to be brandishing them sideways an killing cops.

Are you saying that non-conservative black people cannot be trusted with guns? That seems to be your implication.

The NRA agrees with that.

[USS Monitor]

Nobody says dawg anymore.

And we understand the historical context of the flag.

Whatever homie, your just cooler than me i guess

I understand the contemporary culture within with the BLM movement. The fact remains that anarchists among them currently pose an active threat to life as we know it in the US, a flag that was flown by a rebellion army over 150 years holds little to no relevance or significance in 2016. *drops the mic and walks away*

If it holds little to no modern significance, then why are people flying it at a protest?

[Novus America]

Nobody says dawg anymore.

And we understand the historical context of the flag.

Whatever homie, your just cooler than me i guess

I understand the contemporary culture within with the BLM movement. The fact remains that anarchists among them currently pose an active threat to life as we know it in the US, a flag that was flown by a rebellion army over 150 years holds little to no relevance or significance in 2016. *drops the mic and walks away*

I do not like BLM. At all. I support improving conditions for the urban poor. But they have no plan to do it. And it is an incoherent mess.

But again the Confederate flag we see today was not often used by the CSA and had no official status. It was popularized by segregationists 50-60 years ago.

[Genivaria]

Are you saying that non-conservative black people cannot be trusted with guns? That seems to be your implication.

The black rate of gun crime is so high, that if you were to factor it out, the US gun crime's rate would be comparable to that of European countries.

I smell bullshit.

[USS Monitor]

Tell that to the people who took over that nature outpost. Tell that to the people "defending" their right to graze cattle on land not their own.

All they did was squat in a shed.

Meanwhile in Dallas...

Wasn't that just one asshole that was shooting cops in Dallas?

Or am I getting it mixed up with some other incident?

[MERIZoC]

Are you saying that non-conservative black people cannot be trusted with guns? That seems to be your implication.

The black rate of gun crime is so high, that if you were to factor it out, the US gun crime's rate would be comparable to that of European countries.

Source

[Thermodolia]

Tell that to the people who took over that nature outpost. Tell that to the people "defending" their right to graze cattle on land not their own.

All they did was squat in a shed.

Meanwhile in Dallas...

The guy in Dallas was exactly liberal or conservative nor was he affiliated with BLM

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Nobody says dawg anymore.

And we understand the historical context of the flag.

Whatever homie, your just cooler than me i guess

I understand the contemporary culture within with the BLM movement. The fact remains that anarchists among them currently pose an active threat to life as we know it in the US, a flag that was flown by a rebellion army over 150 years holds little to no relevance or significance in 2016. *drops the mic and walks away*

Nobody says homie, either.

In one post you complain about degenerate rap culture, but you're perfectly happy to drop the mic in another. You don't get to have it both ways.

Regardless of how long ago it was, the flag means what it means. Now, some people will use it to express pride in the region, and while I think that's misguided, I can at least say with some confidence that there's no racial animus intended by them. However, when you're flying that flag outside of the NAACP headquarters, it takes on a very different meaning, especially since that flag was also used by racists protesting integration in the South in the 1950s and 1960s.

Show me how anyone in the BLM movement, anarchists or otherwise, presents any actual threat to life as we know it.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Are you saying that non-conservative black people cannot be trusted with guns? That seems to be your implication.

The black rate of gun crime is so high, that if you were to factor it out, the US gun crime's rate would be comparable to that of European countries.

Source that.

[Neutraligon]

Tell that to the people who took over that nature outpost. Tell that to the people "defending" their right to graze cattle on land not their own.

All they did was squat in a shed.

Meanwhile in Dallas...

No they threatened to kill any police who approached.

[Ashkera]

All they did was squat in a shed.

Meanwhile in Dallas...

Wasn't that just one asshole that was shooting cops in Dallas?

Or am I getting it mixed up with some other incident?

I believe the argument is that the public cultural changes led to it and "empowered" the shooter.

It's similar to the argument that the Brexit "empowered" hate crimes against minorities in the UK.

It makes sense that if one is true, the other is true, and if one is false, the other is false.

[Hellgustine Empire]

Not many left wing people are against BLM.

They aren't against Islamic terrorism either.

Hey! Look a conservative which is obviously is a American republican.
Thered a lot of GOOD peace loving Muslims that are against terrorism.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Wasn't that just one asshole that was shooting cops in Dallas?

Or am I getting it mixed up with some other incident?

I believe the argument is that the public cultural changes led to it and "empowered" the shooter.

It's similar to the argument that the Brexit "empowered" hate crimes against minorities in the UK.

It makes sense that if one is true, the other is true, and if one is false, the other is false.

No, it's still possible that one is true and the other false, that both are false, or that both are true.

[Genivaria]

All they did was squat in a shed.

Meanwhile in Dallas...

No they threatened to kill any police who approached.

I would put a source for this put I can't for the life of me remember anything that I could google.
I just put in 'Dallas terrorist' and keep getting the recent shooter.

Was this actually in Dallas?

EDIT: Nope wait I found it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupatio ... ife_Refuge

[Neutraligon]

No they threatened to kill any police who approached.

I would put a source for this put I can't for the life of me remember anything that I could google.
I just put in 'Dallas terrorist' and keep getting the recent shooter.

Was this actually in Dallas?

I meant the people taking over that nature reserve. The ones who messed up those Native American sacred ground and artifacts. And yeah those are good sources.

[Yorkers]

The black rate of gun crime is so high, that if you were to factor it out, the US gun crime's rate would be comparable to that of European countries.

Source that.

The black rate of gun crime is so high, that if you were to factor it out, the US gun crime's rate would be comparable to that of European countries.

I smell bullshit.

The black rate of gun crime is so high, that if you were to factor it out, the US gun crime's rate would be comparable to that of European countries.

Source

Okay, fine. I'll get the sources and even explain the math behind it, for those of you who need that. It will just take a few hours.

[Ashkera]

No, it's still possible that one is true and the other false, that both are false, or that both are true.

It's a bit vulnerable to special pleading that way, and people luuuuurve to special plead. Lefties love it, righties love, everyone loves it.

The basic idea is about there being cultural/news cycle environmental factors that modify the behavior of both hooligans and lone nuts, making them think that they have more support and that it's okay to go commit a crime, or that they should do so. There's no reason to think that would only go in one direction.

Now, it's true that one could be true and the other false, but shouldn't we treat that with a great deal of suspicion due to how much people love to make excuses for their own ideologies while attacking others?

[Genivaria]

Source that.

I smell bullshit.

Source

Okay, fine. I'll get the sources and even explain the math behind it, for those of you who need that. It will just take a few hours.

A few hours? Seriously?
I'll be at work in a few hours.

[USS Monitor]

Wasn't that just one asshole that was shooting cops in Dallas?

Or am I getting it mixed up with some other incident?

I believe the argument is that the public cultural changes led to it and "empowered" the shooter.

It's similar to the argument that the Brexit "empowered" hate crimes against minorities in the UK.

It makes sense that if one is true, the other is true, and if one is false, the other is false.

I have some misgivings about BLM, but I don't think it's fair to point to one guy who did something BLM did not tell him to do, and pretend that's what the movement is about.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

No, it's still possible that one is true and the other false, that both are false, or that both are true.

It's a bit vulnerable to special pleading that way, and people luuuuurve to special plead. Lefties love it, righties love, everyone loves it.

The basic idea is about there being cultural/news cycle environmental factors that modify the behavior of both hooligans and lone nuts, making them think that they have more support and that it's okay to go commit a crime, or that they should do so. There's no reason to think that would only go in one direction.

Now, it's true that one could be true and the other false, but shouldn't we treat that with a great deal of suspicion due to how much people love to make excuses for their own ideologies while attacking others?

Sure. Here's the thing, though: We can infer a cause and effect, though not prove one, if there is a noticeable uptick in the frequency of one type of action following another one. There's no serious evidence that police officers are at greater danger due to BLM. There is some evidence that racist attacks increased following Brexit.

[Ashkera]

I believe the argument is that the public cultural changes led to it and "empowered" the shooter.

It's similar to the argument that the Brexit "empowered" hate crimes against minorities in the UK.

It makes sense that if one is true, the other is true, and if one is false, the other is false.

I have some misgivings about BLM, but I don't think it's fair to point to one guy who did something BLM did not tell him to do, and pretend that's what the movement is about.

I'm skeptical of the idea in general, actually. It can be used to 'justify' sketchy political activities and limiting of speech based on politics.