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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:37 am

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Yes. I disagree with the flag flying, but I'm aware that their intent was not a racist one. I mean, it's not like they were demonstrating in front of the NAACP with it, or something just as blatantly racist in context.

Its not as though the NAACP is not all black people. #notall


It's not. There are white members of the NAACP. That also has nothing to do with what I stated. Also, still waiting on those sources.

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You're missing the part where they weren't able to defend it by force of arms.


granted they could, they just ran out of men.


Which is kind of the definition of not being able to defend it by force of arms.

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Postby Jumalariik » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:38 am

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Might makes right?

Pretty much

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Thermodolia wrote:And food, weapons, trains, ships, the will to live.

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Might makes right?


No, but it does make independent nations.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:39 am

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Sure. To do otherwise is an unnecessary limitation on speech. Private citizens can fly it, wear it, use it as a bumper sticker, or tattoo it on their foreheads for all i care.

god damn, do i love freedom.


I'm also pretty fond of it.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:39 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Jumalariik wrote:Its not as though the NAACP is not all black people. #notall


It's not. There are white members of the NAACP. That also has nothing to do with what I stated. Also, still waiting on those sources.

I'm still waiting on the 'counter argument that I've never heard' from him.
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Postby USS Monitor » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:39 am

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There is something at the end of that line, but I always heard it as "boo hoo hoo" or "boo woo woo." Could be a sarcastic "boo hoo hoo" making fun of the people complaining in other states, could be just random sounds because they thought it enhanced the rhythm of the song, I dunno...

But judging by the rest of the lyrics, I don't think they were calling the governor out for being racist.

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The song has them. If that's not good enough for you, how about what the actual writers of the song had to say?



OK, I hadn't kept up with the thread. I still think it's kind of problematic to dismiss other people's protests against the racism that was going on there, and it's their own fault if people interpret it as defending racists.
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Postby The balkens » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:40 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
The balkens wrote: god damn, do i love freedom.


I'm also pretty fond of it.


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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:40 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Yummy had this to say about that:


OK, I hadn't kept up with the thread. I still think it's kind of problematic to dismiss other people's protests against the racism that was going on there, and it's their own fault if people interpret it as defending racists.


They didn't dismiss the protests. In fact, the protests were being referenced in the line "We all did what we could do".

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Postby Magna Singulorum » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:43 am

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The source of your "intelligence". You tell me BLM has nothing to do with riots and police murders then turnaround and say the Confederate Flag solely represents slavery.


I didn't say that BLM had nothing to do with riots or police murders. I simply asked for a source showing that they were. A source, by the way, that you still have not managed to provide.

How does a flag flown by a would-be nation that broke away because they were afraid of losing their ability to own slaves not represent slavery?


How does a movement inspired by Black Supremacist lies with a history of riots and police murders not represent anarchy?

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:45 am

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I didn't say that BLM had nothing to do with riots or police murders. I simply asked for a source showing that they were. A source, by the way, that you still have not managed to provide.

How does a flag flown by a would-be nation that broke away because they were afraid of losing their ability to own slaves not represent slavery?


How does a movement inspired by Black Supremacist lies with a history of riots and police murders not represent anarchy?


You still haven't proved that BLM as a movement is responsible for any of that.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:45 am

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How does a movement inspired by Black Supremacist lies with a history of riots and police murders not represent anarchy?


You still haven't proved that BLM as a movement is responsible for any of that.

Tell a lie often enough...you know the rest.
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Postby Ralkovian Grand Island » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:46 am

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White Lives Matter staged a rally outside the NAACP’s Houston headquarters on Sunday, sparking controversy and counter-protests in a city where racial tensions remain high after a string of recent incidents.

Clutching Confederate flags, white supremacist signs and, in several cases, assault rifles, roughly 20 White Lives Matter members stood on the sidewalk of a historically black neighborhood to denounce the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

“We came out here specifically today to protest against the NAACP and their failure in speaking out against the atrocities that organizations like Black Lives Matter and other pro-black organizations have caused the attack and killing of white police officers, the burning down of cities and things of that nature,” organizer Ken Reed told the Houston Chronicle. “If they’re going to be a civil rights organization and defend their people, they also need to hold their people accountable.”

Source.

So armed demonstrators wielding weapons, confederate flags and white supremacist placards demonstrated outside of Houston's NAACP headquarters... for equal rights or something. Who knows? Personally I think this is as ridiculous as so-called Straight Pride demonstrators, but I'm curious to see your opinions.

Is this the futile railings of a white supremacist group against progress? Or do they have a point despite their use of white supremacist slogans? Has the NAACP caused this by not opposing or condemning the BLM movement?


Considering BLM specifically targeted white people for attacks in Milwaukee riots, the WLM has a minor point, which is the BLM is a Black Supremacist Organization masquerading as an equal rights organization. While BLM has a point that Police Violence afflicts the Black Community, that point is largely drowned out when you start targeting white people for revenge attacks.

That being said, All Lives Matter.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:46 am

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I didn't say that BLM had nothing to do with riots or police murders. I simply asked for a source showing that they were. A source, by the way, that you still have not managed to provide.

How does a flag flown by a would-be nation that broke away because they were afraid of losing their ability to own slaves not represent slavery?


How does a movement inspired by Black Supremacist lies with a history of riots and police murders not represent anarchy?


Further speculation and accusations do not equal a source.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:47 am

Magna Singulorum wrote:
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I didn't say that BLM had nothing to do with riots or police murders. I simply asked for a source showing that they were. A source, by the way, that you still have not managed to provide.

How does a flag flown by a would-be nation that broke away because they were afraid of losing their ability to own slaves not represent slavery?


How does a movement inspired by Black Supremacist lies with a history of riots and police murders not represent anarchy?

What "Black Supremacist lies"? Does the fact that african-Americans are trying to correct the fact that black lives matter less than white lives in this nation bother you?
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:48 am

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Tananat wrote:Source.

So armed demonstrators wielding weapons, confederate flags and white supremacist placards demonstrated outside of Houston's NAACP headquarters... for equal rights or something. Who knows? Personally I think this is as ridiculous as so-called Straight Pride demonstrators, but I'm curious to see your opinions.

Is this the futile railings of a white supremacist group against progress? Or do they have a point despite their use of white supremacist slogans? Has the NAACP caused this by not opposing or condemning the BLM movement?


Considering BLM specifically targeted white people for attacks in Milwaukee riots, the WLM has a minor point, which is the BLM is a Black Supremacist Organization masquerading as an equal rights organization. While BLM has a point that Police Violence afflicts the Black Community, that point is largely drowned out when you start targeting white people for revenge attacks.

That being said, All Lives Matter.


White people may have been targeted during the riots. Please show that BLM was responsible for said targeting, or that the organization encouraged revenge attacks.

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Postby Magna Singulorum » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:49 am

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You still haven't proved that BLM as a movement is responsible for any of that.

Tell a lie often enough...you know the rest.

Yep, just like "Hands up don't shoot"

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:49 am

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Genivaria wrote:Tell a lie often enough...you know the rest.

Yep, just like "Hands up don't shoot"


Still waiting on those sources.

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Postby Novus America » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:50 am

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OK, I hadn't kept up with the thread. I still think it's kind of problematic to dismiss other people's protests against the racism that was going on there, and it's their own fault if people interpret it as defending racists.


Also the fact the use the segregationist flag. The flag the pro Wallace people waved.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:51 am

Magna Singulorum wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Tell a lie often enough...you know the rest.

Yep, just like "Hands up don't shoot"

Hands up don't shoot, was not created by the BLM. While the original reason for that phase may have suspect, subsequent actions by the police have proven it true.
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:52 am

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Well that is the controversial line. Well one of them. Combined with the segregationist flag many construe it as pro the people fighting the desegregation in 50s. As they use the same flag the pro segregationists did.

The official lyrics do not have them saying "boo, boo, boo"

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/lynyrdskynyrd/sweethomealabama.html

And I'm listening to it right now, just passed that part and they definitely sung it.

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Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
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How does a movement inspired by Black Supremacist lies with a history of riots and police murders not represent anarchy?


Further speculation and accusations do not equal a source.


I can provide sources, but the fact of the matter is that we both know you'll rationalize it by saying it's not the entire organization of BLM, which while certainly true, will likely be held up as a double standard when for example White Organizations are painted by the same brush when their members use violence.

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Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
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OK, I hadn't kept up with the thread. I still think it's kind of problematic to dismiss other people's protests against the racism that was going on there, and it's their own fault if people interpret it as defending racists.


They didn't dismiss the protests. In fact, the protests were being referenced in the line "We all did what we could do".


Having thought about it a little, I'm willing to concede that maybe it was sarcasm gone wrong rather than pro-segregation. I can't read minds to see what they meant. It's just awfully similar to the pro-segregationist stuff that some people say unironically.
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:56 am

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The Alexanderians wrote:It's anti-civil rights?


Yeah, it's kind of telling everyone to leave Alabama alone, which implies not interfering with segregation. The reference to Neil Young is probably the most obvious rejection of the Civil Rights Movement. "Southern Man" is an anti-racist protest song, and "Sweet Home Alabama" has lyrics dismissing it, like they don't think there's any need to address those issues.

The song is addressing Young's shot at the entirety of the South and acting as though every single person was to blame, and how they were blamed for their leaders actions as individuals, even those who opposed segregation - which is where the lyrics about Nixon and Watergate come in because he's saying he wont judge northerners over him. Young himself thinks he deserved the response from Lynyrd Skynyrd.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:56 am

Napkiraly wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The official lyrics do not have them saying "boo, boo, boo"

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/lynyrdskynyrd/sweethomealabama.html

And I'm listening to it right now, just passed that part and they definitely sung it.

We have all ready gone over it, no need to bring it up again. I was in the wrong.
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