White Supremacist Demonstration Outside Houston NAACP HQ

[Magna Singulorum]

But it's not.

The confederate flag is not always flown with a racist intent. BLM is not more than a movement of terrorists.

Give me an instance where it is not flown with racist intent as long as it is not a reenactment. TO put it simply you cannot dissociate the flag with the racist and white supremacist past. Nice use of the word terrorist, got any evidence that BLM is a movement of terrorists? Don't forget, it must be explicit, using your standards.

Two words : Lynyrd Skynyrd

*Beginning of Sweet Home Alabama plays and the Confederate Flag fills the screen*

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Source? These protesters were not alive during the American Civil War and they have never be legally allowed to own slaves. Your argument is petty, I could say the American Flag represents the same values and treachery you perceive in the Confederate Flag. The Americans were also rebels who owned slaves during the Revolutionary War.

All nations, cultures, and races have practiced slavery throughout history. But some how only the white man is blamed for these atrocities. Shouldn't equal responsiblity be given to the African monarchs who kidnapped and sold their own people for money?

The fact that they were never legally allowed to own slaves is meaningless. You could just as easily say that the swastika as used by Nazis doesn't symbolize racism or white supremacy, as most of those who wear it nowadays weren't alive at the time that Hitler and his people were sending Jews and other "undesirables" to death camps. You'd also be wrong.

The American flag was flown by both free states and slave states when we were attempting to break off from the UK for reasons that had nothing to do with slavery. The battle flag was flown by states that were attempting to break off from the U.S. so that they could continue to own slaves. Please tell me that you have the modicum of intelligence necessary to see the difference.

Sorry, were we talking about who was responsible for the slave trade, or were we talking about the reasons for the South seceding and whether or not the Confederate battle flag could be seen as a racist symbol as a result? Once you place those goalposts, let me know where they are, and we'll continue this discussion.

What source did you need?

[Thermodolia]

Sure, but then you have to include everything else, like the racism and KKK. Otherwise...what is Southern culture?

Duke Hazard and co.

No it does not!! As I live just outside of Atlanta, I think I have more say on what represents Southern Culture than you.

Nah, you do not.

Southern Culture is impossible to define as one singular thing. The culture in the south varies from place to place. The culture of New Orleans is much different than that of Savannah. Weeping Willows, Sweet Tea, Peaches, Fireflies, the Civil Rights Movement, and Southern Belles are representations of "Southern Culture" that flag is not.

[Jumalariik]

Give me an instance where it is not flown with racist intent as long as it is not a reenactment. TO put it simply you cannot dissociate the flag with the racist and white supremacist past. Nice use of the word terrorist, got any evidence that BLM is a movement of terrorists? Don't forget, it must be explicit, using your standards.

Two words : Lynyrd Skynyrd

*Beginning of Sweet Home Alabama plays and the Confederate Flag fills the screen*

Clear racism.

[Frenline Delpha]

Well considering select fire weapons cost you some 30k I think we can infer they were not, unless these guys were loaded, well with cash.

In every sense of the term

Damn I love double entendres.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Is there a reason that you would fly it in front of a civil rights organization formed to defend the human rights of black people that didn't have racist intent?

Probably because it'll piss people off.

"It wasn't racism! It was just juvenile trolling!"

Does that sum up the argument?

[Militia of the Free]

Duke Hazard and co.


Nah, you do not.

Southern Culture is impossible to define as one singular thing. The culture in the south varies from place to place. The culture of New Orleans is much different than that of Savannah. Weeping Willows, Sweet Tea, Peaches, Fireflies, the Civil Rights Movement, and Southern Belles are representations of "Southern Culture" that flag is not.

Ofcourse it is difficult to define it as one thing, that's the whole point of my reply. I cannot define what Southern culture is in a few sentences because I would write down a book as thick as my thumb. What I do believe, is that the confederate flag represents the Southern US, and is not racist/anti-black per se.

[Jamzmania]

I can wear the flag as I think it is aesthetically pleasant. I can wear the flag as I like Southern US culture and see it is a representative of such.

There are countless other personal reasons why someone might wear it.

As a US southerner, that flag is not representative of the south. And furthermore I hate it when people attach that flag to the south

As a Southerner I say that it does.

It seems there is a stalemate.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

These fine young lads? White supremacist? Heaven forfend. No, they just attack peacefully protesting Muslims to show their beliefs in the equality of people.

Being anti-Islam isn't what makes the EDL racist. Its original founders actively sought support from non-white communities, decried racism, and iirc Tommy Robinson once took part in a Nazi flag burning.

That's nice. It doesn't seem to have much to do with what they represent nowadays.

[Militia of the Free]

As a US southerner, that flag is not representative of the south. And furthermore I hate it when people attach that flag to the south

Yes, again it had largely disappeared until it started to be used to rally against the end of segregatition in the 50s. It was rarely used by the confederacy.

Use the blue flag with the white or yellow star for the south. Or some other flag that does not have as many bad connotatations.

I can perfectly decide myself which flag I would like to wear.

[Thermodolia]

Give me an instance where it is not flown with racist intent as long as it is not a reenactment. TO put it simply you cannot dissociate the flag with the racist and white supremacist past. Nice use of the word terrorist, got any evidence that BLM is a movement of terrorists? Don't forget, it must be explicit, using your standards.

Two words : Lynyrd Skynyrd

*Beginning of Sweet Home Alabama plays and the Confederate Flag fills the screen*

Sweet Home Alabama would be better paired with the state flag of Alabama and not any flag of the CSA

[Yumyumsuppertime]

As a US southerner, that flag is not representative of the south. And furthermore I hate it when people attach that flag to the south

As a Southerner I say that it does.

It seems there is a stalemate.

All of the amazing and wonderful things that could be used as a symbol of Southern culture, and you have to stick with a flag flown by people who killed their countrymen in order to maintain their ability to work, beat, flog, rape, mutilate, and often kill black people without recompense or legal consequence.

[Thermodolia]

Yes, again it had largely disappeared until it started to be used to rally against the end of segregatition in the 50s. It was rarely used by the confederacy.

Use the blue flag with the white or yellow star for the south. Or some other flag that does not have as many bad connotatations.

I can perfectly decide myself which flag I would like to wear.

And if you do ever wear that flag, then I must warn you that you might get beaten up for wearing said flag.

[Napkiraly]

Being anti-Islam isn't what makes the EDL racist. Its original founders actively sought support from non-white communities, decried racism, and iirc Tommy Robinson once took part in a Nazi flag burning.

That's nice. It doesn't seem to have much to do with what they represent nowadays.

Which is why I said that it's not their anti-Islam stance that makes them racist.

[Novus America]

As a US southerner, that flag is not representative of the south. And furthermore I hate it when people attach that flag to the south

As a Southerner I say that it does.

It seems there is a stalemate.

Well it does mean different things to different people. But it certainly has a dark and racist history begind it, again the current version was not even used much by the CSA. It pisses me off as the flag of the people who opposed the desegregation of the 50s.

[Jumalariik]

Yes, again it had largely disappeared until it started to be used to rally against the end of segregatition in the 50s. It was rarely used by the confederacy.

Use the blue flag with the white or yellow star for the south. Or some other flag that does not have as many bad connotatations.

I can perfectly decide myself which flag I would like to wear.

Yes.

[Jamzmania]

As a Southerner I say that it does.

It seems there is a stalemate.

All of the amazing and wonderful things that could be used as a symbol of Southern culture, and you have to stick with a flag flown by people who killed their countrymen in order to maintain their ability to work, beat, flog, rape, mutilate, and often kill black people without recompense or legal consequence.

They weren't their countrymen at the time, if that's any consolation.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

That's nice. It doesn't seem to have much to do with what they represent nowadays.

Which is why I said that it's not their anti-Islam stance that makes them racist.

No, it's the racists that do that.

[Thermodolia]

As a Southerner I say that it does.

It seems there is a stalemate.

All of the amazing and wonderful things that could be used as a symbol of Southern culture, and you have to stick with a flag flown by people who killed their countrymen in order to maintain their ability to work, beat, flog, rape, mutilate, and often kill black people without recompense or legal consequence.

Sweet Tea or Mint Julep is more representative than that flag

[USS Monitor]

Give me an instance where it is not flown with racist intent as long as it is not a reenactment. TO put it simply you cannot dissociate the flag with the racist and white supremacist past. Nice use of the word terrorist, got any evidence that BLM is a movement of terrorists? Don't forget, it must be explicit, using your standards.

Two words : Lynyrd Skynyrd

*Beginning of Sweet Home Alabama plays and the Confederate Flag fills the screen*

That song is against the Civil Rights Movement.

[Thermodolia]

All of the amazing and wonderful things that could be used as a symbol of Southern culture, and you have to stick with a flag flown by people who killed their countrymen in order to maintain their ability to work, beat, flog, rape, mutilate, and often kill black people without recompense or legal consequence.

They weren't their countrymen at the time, if that's any consolation.

Yes they were the CSA was not recognized as an independent nation.

[Militia of the Free]

I can perfectly decide myself which flag I would like to wear.

And if you do ever wear that flag, then I must warn you that you might get beaten up for wearing said flag.

I am aware of that, yes.

And I am pretty sure those who beat me up will be locked up in jail for assault.

[Novus America]

Yes, again it had largely disappeared until it started to be used to rally against the end of segregatition in the 50s. It was rarely used by the confederacy.

Use the blue flag with the white or yellow star for the south. Or some other flag that does not have as many bad connotatations.

I can perfectly decide myself which flag I would like to wear.

Well you have a right to wear whatever flag you want. This is the US, not Europe. But when your wear the segregationist flag, do not be suprised when it upsets people.

[Magna Singulorum]

Source? These protesters were not alive during the American Civil War and they have never be legally allowed to own slaves. Your argument is petty, I could say the American Flag represents the same values and treachery you perceive in the Confederate Flag. The Americans were also rebels who owned slaves during the Revolutionary War.

All nations, cultures, and races have practiced slavery throughout history. But some how only the white man is blamed for these atrocities. Shouldn't equal responsiblity be given to the African monarchs who kidnapped and sold their own people for money?

The fact that they were never legally allowed to own slaves is meaningless. You could just as easily say that the swastika as used by Nazis doesn't symbolize racism or white supremacy, as most of those who wear it nowadays weren't alive at the time that Hitler and his people were sending Jews and other "undesirables" to death camps. You'd also be wrong.

The American flag was flown by both free states and slave states when we were attempting to break off from the UK for reasons that had nothing to do with slavery. The battle flag was flown by states that were attempting to break off from the U.S. so that they could continue to own slaves. Please tell me that you have the modicum of intelligence necessary to see the difference.

Sorry, were we talking about who was responsible for the slave trade, or were we talking about the reasons for the South seceding and whether or not the Confederate battle flag could be seen as a racist symbol as a result? Once you place those goalposts, let me know where they are, and we'll continue this discussion.

What source did you need?

The source of your "intelligence". You tell me BLM has nothing to do with riots and police murders then turnaround and say the Confederate Flag solely represents slavery.

[Novus America]

Two words : Lynyrd Skynyrd

*Beginning of Sweet Home Alabama plays and the Confederate Flag fills the screen*

That song is against the Civil Rights Movement.

Yes, hence the use of the segregationist flag... The song is pro segregation.