Is There Really a Rape Culture?

[Grave_n_idle]

Yes. Kinda.

Search my post history, I'm actually in favour of much, much more serious responses to rape.

I'm worried that you're advocating the death penalty for rape...

As in you worry that that might be what I'm advocating, or that IS what I'm advocating and it worries you?

Because I can set your mind at rest on at least one of those.

I do advocate a death penalty for rape.

[Frenline Delpha]

I'm worried that you're advocating the death penalty for rape...

As in you worry that that might be what I'm advocating, or that IS what I'm advocating and it worries you?

Because I can set your mind at rest on at least one of those.

I do advocate a death penalty for rape.

Well, it was the first one. Now, it is the second.

[Mattopilos]

I do advocate a death penalty for rape.

Called it.

[Grave_n_idle]

I do advocate a death penalty for rape.

Called it.

I have a 70,000 post history on this forum (and the one before it), in which I've been open about it.

It's not like you've solved a mystery.

However, it's nothing to do with emotions leading people to dark places, as you suggested when you 'called it'. So you called it wrong, anyway.

[Hesse Darmstadt]

I'm worried that you're advocating the death penalty for rape...

As in you worry that that might be what I'm advocating, or that IS what I'm advocating and it worries you?

Because I can set your mind at rest on at least one of those.

I do advocate a death penalty for rape.

Agreed, but for both genders.

[Mattopilos]

Called it.

I have a 70,000 post history on this forum (and the one before it), in which I've been open about it.

It's not like you've solved a mystery.

However, it's nothing to do with emotions leading people to dark places, as you suggested when you 'called it'. So you called it wrong, anyway.

1. I haven't been a member long, so you having a history here means pretty much nothing to me, since this is one of the first forum posts I have seen you in.
2. I never said that is what YOU did, but rather that can be what causes people to have irrational decisions, even some very extreme views, and
3. I still called it.

[Grave_n_idle]

I have a 70,000 post history on this forum (and the one before it), in which I've been open about it.

It's not like you've solved a mystery.

However, it's nothing to do with emotions leading people to dark places, as you suggested when you 'called it'. So you called it wrong, anyway.

1. I haven't been a member long, so you having a history here means pretty much nothing to me, since this is one of the first forum posts I have seen you in.
2. I never said that is what YOU did, but rather that can be what causes people to have irrational decisions, even some very extreme views, and
3. I still called it.

1. You don't have to have been a member long. That wasn't the point. The point was that I have been far from coy about it, on this site, for more than a decade. You didn't solve some mystery.

2. You could say it's 'extreme' - I disagree. It's not irrational.

[Mattopilos]

1. I haven't been a member long, so you having a history here means pretty much nothing to me, since this is one of the first forum posts I have seen you in.
2. I never said that is what YOU did, but rather that can be what causes people to have irrational decisions, even some very extreme views, and
3. I still called it.

1. You don't have to have been a member long. That wasn't the point. The point was that I have been far from coy about it, on this site, for more than a decade. You didn't solve some mystery.

2. You could say it's 'extreme' - I disagree. It's not irrational.

1. Sorry, I forgot the part where I said "I solved the mystery! give me a nobel prize!" /s
2. The issue is subjective, so of course.

[Grave_n_idle]

2. The issue is subjective, so of course.

I don't actually know what you mean by this.

Rape isn't subjective. The death penalty isn't subjective. Whether or not it's rational isn't subjective.

Do you just mean that it's subjective whether or not we agree on the 'extreme'-ness of the penalty?

[Mattopilos]

2. The issue is subjective, so of course.

I don't actually know what you mean by this.

Rape isn't subjective. The death penalty isn't subjective. Whether or not it's rational isn't subjective.

Do you just mean that it's subjective whether or not we agree on the 'extreme'-ness of the penalty?

The method of punishment is subjective - people have different ideas for what should be done.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

I'm worried that you're advocating the death penalty for rape...

As in you worry that that might be what I'm advocating, or that IS what I'm advocating and it worries you?

Because I can set your mind at rest on at least one of those.

I do advocate a death penalty for rape.

Barbaric, simply barbaric.

[New Edom]

I'm worried that you're advocating the death penalty for rape...

As in you worry that that might be what I'm advocating, or that IS what I'm advocating and it worries you?

Because I can set your mind at rest on at least one of those.

I do advocate a death penalty for rape.

Do you also advocate the death penalty for murder, kidnapping and treason?

[Adamenia-khezvani]

Not in Western Culture that's for fucking sure. Anyone who believes that the West is a rape culture has never spent more than an hour out in public. They are the same people who will believe that black people are still oppressed in the US and that the wage gap is real.

[Galloism]

Not in Western Culture that's for fucking sure. Anyone who believes that the West is a rape culture has never spent more than an hour out in public. They are the same people who will believe that black people are still oppressed in the US and that the wage gap is real.

I'm not sure I'd put rape culture theorists (in the traditionalist women-centric way) in the same camp as everyone who has an accurate understanding of the world like you did.

[Chessmistress]

I do advocate a death penalty for rape.

I always have had a similar opinion, but there should be boundaries, and limitations.
The main problem with the death penalty for rape it's that's very unlikely that we can raise the rate of convictions under such penalty. Such penalty would, likely, even led to increasing the chances for rapist to get his way due there would be even more unfair warranties for him.
That's why death penalty should be just only for certain cases of rape, it should be extremely rare.

[Greater Orensta]

I do advocate a death penalty for rape.

I always have had a similar opinion, but there should be boundaries, and limitations.
The main problem with the death penalty for rape it's that's very unlikely that we can raise the rate of convictions under such penalty. Such penalty would, likely, even led to increasing the chances for rapist to get his way due there would be even more unfair warranties for him.
That's why death penalty should be just only for certain cases of rape, it should be extremely rare.

In what sort of cases?

[Chessmistress]

I always have had a similar opinion, but there should be boundaries, and limitations.
The main problem with the death penalty for rape it's that's very unlikely that we can raise the rate of convictions under such penalty. Such penalty would, likely, even led to increasing the chances for rapist to get his way due there would be even more unfair warranties for him.
That's why death penalty should be just only for certain cases of rape, it should be extremely rare.

In what sort of cases?

When physical violence is involved, in example.
Death penalty shouldn't be applied to rapes using psychological coercion, blackmails, or taking advantage of intoxicated persons.

[Greater Orensta]

In what sort of cases?

When physical violence is involved, in example.

... Not Child rape?
Not Gang rape?
Just rape with physical violence?

[Rhodesia Reborn]

No you dummkopfs

[Chessmistress]

When physical violence is involved, in example.

... Not Child rape?
Not Gang rape?
Just rape with physical violence?

I wrote "in example", even child rape and gang rape, of course.

[Greater Orensta]

No you dummkopfs

True, but do you even have an argument?

[New Edom]

In what sort of cases?

When physical violence is involved, in example.
Death penalty shouldn't be applied to rapes using psychological coercion, blackmails, or taking advantage of intoxicated persons.

So do you also advocate the death penalty for murder, kidnapping and treason?

[Chessmistress]

When physical violence is involved, in example.
Death penalty shouldn't be applied to rapes using psychological coercion, blackmails, or taking advantage of intoxicated persons.

So do you also advocate the death penalty for murder, kidnapping and treason?

Murder: it depends.
Kidnapping: no.
Treason: no.

[New Edom]

So do you also advocate the death penalty for murder, kidnapping and treason?

Murder: it depends.
Kidnapping: no.
Treason: no.

Murder, depends on what? And you think rape is worse than betraying your country?

[Quokkastan]

Murder: it depends.
Kidnapping: no.
Treason: no.

Murder, depends on what? And you think rape is worse than betraying your country?

As it happens, I don't support the death penalty for rape. But, yes; usually it is.

Selling the D-Day invasion plans to the Nazis is probably worse than rape in that it's going to get thousands of your people horribly killed. But these days "treason" tends to be thrown around mostly at people who just tell the media when the US government and military is doing illegal things. Which I don't really have a problem with.