Is There Really a Rape Culture?

[Equalaria]

Rape culture is ever pervasive in modern society. Everything including movies, music, and even political discourse involves subjugating women, and using them as sex objects. College campuses are breeding grounds for rape, and women are always trivialized and slandered through miogynistic victim blsming. Basically, women are treated as objects for male aggression and sexual pleasure in everyday life. One need only to look at statistics showing 1/2 of women as sexually assaulted at some point (rates which are probably much higher, due to victim blaming).

Rape culture is a very real thing, and those who would shrug it off or refute it and complicit in the patriarchical power structure which continues to keep women subservient and in effect, sexually assaulted by societal consent.

[New Edom]

Rape of men by women can exist (though it's extremely rare)

You know, making demonstrably false statements that have been proven to you as demonstrably wrong with various sources over many years is really annoying.

It's a tactic. This is why if you look up the issues I've discussed here and you have elsewhere that you find a bombardment of mainstream feminist support for rape culture and insitence that any disagreement with their views is rape apologism. You could actually argue that the position they take by their standards is rape apologism, since they belittle, marginalize and ignore victims of women. Even where feminist icons like bell hooks have talked about the importance of the issue there seems to be a tendency in feminist scholarship to focus only on the idea that "feminism is for everybody'.

So the tactic is to just keep up a steady bombardement of information and infotainment. The more they do this, the more they have brand recognition and the less any alternative view can slip in, the more that they are identified as the ONLY brand until it is untihkable to imagine any other definitions or solutions for proposed problems.

[New Edom]

Rape culture is ever pervasive in modern society. Everything including movies, music, and even political discourse involves subjugating women, and using them as sex objects. College campuses are breeding grounds for rape, and women are always trivialized and slandered through miogynistic victim blsming. Basically, women are treated as objects for male aggression and sexual pleasure in everyday life. One need only to look at statistics showing 1/2 of women as sexually assaulted at some point (rates which are probably much higher, due to victim blaming).

Rape culture is a very real thing, and those who would shrug it off or refute it and complicit in the patriarchical power structure which continues to keep women subservient and in effect, sexually assaulted by societal consent.

Hi and welcome to the thread. Would you please address the questions I raised in the OP?

[The balkens]

Rape culture is ever pervasive in modern society. Everything including movies, music, and even political discourse involves subjugating women, and using them as sex objects. College campuses are breeding grounds for rape, and women are always trivialized and slandered through miogynistic victim blsming. Basically, women are treated as objects for male aggression and sexual pleasure in everyday life. One need only to look at statistics showing 1/2 of women as sexually assaulted at some point (rates which are probably much higher, due to victim blaming).

Rape culture is a very real thing, and those who would shrug it off or refute it and complicit in the patriarchical power structure which continues to keep women subservient and in effect, sexually assaulted by societal consent.

God damn, do i love the patriarchy.

[Zottistan]

Rape culture is ever pervasive in modern society. Everything including movies, music, and even political discourse involves subjugating women, and using them as sex objects. College campuses are breeding grounds for rape, and women are always trivialized and slandered through miogynistic victim blsming. Basically, women are treated as objects for male aggression and sexual pleasure in everyday life. One need only to look at statistics showing 1/2 of women as sexually assaulted at some point (rates which are probably much higher, due to victim blaming).

Rape culture is a very real thing, and those who would shrug it off or refute it and complicit in the patriarchical power structure which continues to keep women subservient and in effect, sexually assaulted by societal consent.

The actual figure is closer to one in eight.

Which is still high enough that I don't understand why you people have to lie to get your point across. One in eight women in a civilized nation being victims of sexual assault is atrocious and completely unacceptable. One in two just isn't believable and destroys your credibility.

[Alvecia]

I think my problem with how you frame your argument, and I don't know how many might agree with me, is your blanket use of the term "feminist".

It's who you identify all of the problems with and it how many here would identify themselves, myself included, yet it is not a representative term.

It's like if I used "racist" and "right-winger's" interchangeably because all racists I know of are right wing.

I might agree with you if the word were not so prevalently identified with the issues I've named. If you go to 95% of websites, and arguably all of the main hits you get in a search, you'll find feminsts defining rape issues and sexual misconduct issues as part of rape culture. If you look at popular news media sites that present feminist information, you'll find the same thing. I actually often do acknowledge that there are feminists that don't treat the issue this way, but the public voices they represent are a minority and are often attacked by the majority.

Again, I think you're confusing majority with loud. This is a feminist issue, yes. But to conflate these issues with feminists in general is dishonest and misleading.

[The balkens]

Rape culture is ever pervasive in modern society. Everything including movies, music, and even political discourse involves subjugating women, and using them as sex objects. College campuses are breeding grounds for rape, and women are always trivialized and slandered through miogynistic victim blsming. Basically, women are treated as objects for male aggression and sexual pleasure in everyday life. One need only to look at statistics showing 1/2 of women as sexually assaulted at some point (rates which are probably much higher, due to victim blaming).

Rape culture is a very real thing, and those who would shrug it off or refute it and complicit in the patriarchical power structure which continues to keep women subservient and in effect, sexually assaulted by societal consent.

The actual figure is closer to one in eight.

Which is still high enough that I don't understand why you people have to lie to get your point across. One in eight women in a civilized nation being victims of sexual assault is atrocious and completely unacceptable. One in two just isn't believable and destroys your credibility.

Because they would rather swear up and down that they are not hysterical women but in fact, they are hysterical women?

food for thought.

[Wallenburg]

The actual figure is closer to one in eight.

Which is still high enough that I don't understand why you people have to lie to get your point across. One in eight women in a civilized nation being victims of sexual assault is atrocious and completely unacceptable. One in two just isn't believable and destroys your credibility.

Because they would rather swear up and down that they are not hysterical women but in fact, they are hysterical women?

food for thought.

Feminist =/= woman, despite what Costa would have you believe.

[New Edom]

I might agree with you if the word were not so prevalently identified with the issues I've named. If you go to 95% of websites, and arguably all of the main hits you get in a search, you'll find feminsts defining rape issues and sexual misconduct issues as part of rape culture. If you look at popular news media sites that present feminist information, you'll find the same thing. I actually often do acknowledge that there are feminists that don't treat the issue this way, but the public voices they represent are a minority and are often attacked by the majority.

Again, I think you're confusing majority with loud. This is a feminist issue, yes. But to conflate these issues with feminists in general is dishonest and misleading.

Really? Can you demonstrate that a majority of feminists don't support rape culture theory?

[The balkens]

Because they would rather swear up and down that they are not hysterical women but in fact, they are hysterical women?

food for thought.

Feminist =/= woman, despite what Frenline would have you believe.

I shouldve stated that radical feminists are hysterical women.

[Alvecia]

Again, I think you're confusing majority with loud. This is a feminist issue, yes. But to conflate these issues with feminists in general is dishonest and misleading.

Really? Can you demonstrate that a majority of feminists don't support rape culture theory?

I don't think the onus is on me to prove anything. I'm disagreeing with your notion that they do.

[The Romulan Republic]

Alright, but is my thread doing that?

There are two main issues I've brought up here, and yes I am rather obsessed with them becaus I think they're important.

The first is the tendency of feminists to frame all discussions of rape and abuse as being about female victims and male perpetrators. I would like for this to shift and for it to be recognized that there is a consistent failure on the part of our society's broader conversations to focus on women who are abusive and on boys and men as victims, particularly when they're victims of females.

The second is that I think that rape culture theory is not as imnportant as RAINN's approach to wanting to deal with things like campus rape for instance, where practical sollutions in my opinion outweigh social philosophy. The fact that feminists tend to frame such arguments as misogyny or ignorance moves the discussions away from common grounad and solutions towards insisting on cultural shifts as the primary focus, even where the ideas confuse people and cause deeper divisions.

That being said, I hope you can see that the aim here is not simply to attack feminism, but rather a public disagreement with a theory that is used to propose public policy.

I think my problem with how you frame your argument, and I don't know how many might agree with me, is your blanket use of the term "feminist".

It's who you identify all of the problems with and it how many here would identify themselves, myself included, yet it is not a representative term.

It's like if I used "racist" and "right-winger's" interchangeably because all racists I know of are right wing.

That's a part of it for me, yes.

The rest is just irritation at having yet another thread on this, and at all the straw man-laden "culture wars" bullshit in general, and at the fact that people don't get (or refuse to get) that while they may not have the letter of the law (for the most part) behind them, people who condone or turn a blind eye to rape still very much are an issue.

Like how prison rape is laughed off, or those cases a while back of asshats on college campuses going around doing pro-rape chants, just to take two obvious examples.

Or the shear amount of ignorance and misinformation on what is and is not consent (and that's not even talking about what people feel the laws should be, just the letter of the law).

To the point that I think it would be entirely reasonable to have a test on what legally constitutes consent which one must score 100% to graduate from high school (and if you think demanding 100% is unreasonable, you don't get to be 95% not a rapist- under the law, you either are, or you aren't).

[Equalaria]

Rape culture is ever pervasive in modern society. Everything including movies, music, and even political discourse involves subjugating women, and using them as sex objects. College campuses are breeding grounds for rape, and women are always trivialized and slandered through miogynistic victim blsming. Basically, women are treated as objects for male aggression and sexual pleasure in everyday life. One need only to look at statistics showing 1/2 of women as sexually assaulted at some point (rates which are probably much higher, due to victim blaming).

Rape culture is a very real thing, and those who would shrug it off or refute it and complicit in the patriarchical power structure which continues to keep women subservient and in effect, sexually assaulted by societal consent.

The actual figure is closer to one in eight.

Which is still high enough that I don't understand why you people have to lie to get your point across. One in eight women in a civilized nation being victims of sexual assault is atrocious and completely unacceptable. One in two just isn't believable and destroys your credibility.

The vast majority of women are sexually assaulted in thier lifetime, and a lot of it happens in the college setting. The fact that you find it doubtful doesn't discredit me, it just highlights the biases that patriarchy perpetuate. Women are simply not believed, and sexual assault is always narrowly defined. Sexual assault is unwanted contact, and includes things like groping, staring, cat calling, and non consensual sex. People shrug this off, but even things like the yes/no paradigm propagate rape. Yes doesn't always mean yes, especially when inebriating substances are involved. But this is irrelevant as people disregard women in these situations as having made 'bad decisions' and thus marginalize thier experience of rape.

[The balkens]

The actual figure is closer to one in eight.

Which is still high enough that I don't understand why you people have to lie to get your point across. One in eight women in a civilized nation being victims of sexual assault is atrocious and completely unacceptable. One in two just isn't believable and destroys your credibility.

The vast majority of women are sexually assaulted in thier lifetime, and a lot of it happens in the college setting. The fact that you find it doubtful doesn't discredit me, it just highlights the biases that patriarchy* perpetuate. Women are simply not believed, and sexual assault is always narrowly defined. Sexual assault is unwanted contact, and includes things like groping, staring, cat calling, and non consensual sex. People shrug this off, but even things like the yes/no paradigm propagate rape. Yes doesn't always mean yes, especially when inebriating substances are involved. But this is irrelevant as people disregard women in these situations as having made 'bad decisions' and thus marginalize* thier experience of rape.

Drink*

[Wallenburg]

Feminist =/= woman, despite what Frenline would have you believe.

I shouldve stated that radical feminists are hysterical women.

I'm a little worried to see if somewhere, out there, there is a male radical feminist.

[Cannot think of a name]

Why do feminists insist that any discussion of sexual morality on the parto f women is victim blaming rather than responsibility for ones own actions?

Of all the flailing desperate and frankly disturbing things people manage to do to find ways to avoid confronting rape or how it is viewed in our culture this one, this persistent thread, this one angers me the most. Outright angers me. That it is almost always put forth by men trying to 'defend' men is salt on the fucking wound.

Stop.

For fuck's sake stop. Stop insulting me and other men. Yes, insulting. Quit making men out to be rutting fucking hounds incapable of controlling themselves. This is far and away a worse thing than any feminist your dark little imagination has ever said about men. The idea that a pair of short shorts or a little flash of boob would remove my obligation as a member of society and an adult human being who is in charge of my own impulse control is insulting. It's dumb. It's nauseating. Fucking stop it. Not for women, you clearly don't give a shit about them, stop it for the men that you are insulting to their faces every fucking time. Knock it off.

I am in control of my impulses and regardless of 'temptation' any loss of that control is on me, full stop. Because I'm a goddamn adult.

[The balkens]

I shouldve stated that radical feminists are hysterical women.

I'm a little worried to see if somewhere, out there, there is a male radical feminist.

There are.

and my god, are they just.....awful.

[Conserative Morality]

*Men and women are raped and have their experiences belittled or marginalized*

"Rape culture doesn't exist".

Gtfo.

[Wallenburg]

The vast majority of women are sexually assaulted in thier lifetime, and a lot of it happens in the college setting. The fact that you find it doubtful doesn't discredit me, it just highlights the biases that patriarchy perpetuate.

Prove it. Citations. Evidence.

Women are simply not believed, and sexual assault is always narrowly defined. Sexual assault is unwanted contact, and includes things like groping, staring, cat calling, and non consensual sex.

If someone looking at another person is sexual assault, then pretty much every human being should be spending life in prison.

People shrug this off, but even things like the yes/no paradigm propagate rape. Yes doesn't always mean yes, especially when inebriating substances are involved.

True, very true. I'm actually taking a short course on alcohol use, and that is a very important factor to take into account. Drunk people are far less inhibited, and it is unacceptable to take advantage of them in that state.

But this is irrelevant as people disregard women in these situations as having made 'bad decisions' and thus marginalize thier experience of rape.

I'd like evidence of this as well.

[Alvecia]

The vast majority of women are sexually assaulted in thier lifetime, and a lot of it happens in the college setting. The fact that you find it doubtful doesn't discredit me, it just highlights the biases that patriarchy perpetuate.

Prove it. Citations. Evidence.

Women are simply not believed, and sexual assault is always narrowly defined. Sexual assault is unwanted contact, and includes things like groping, staring, cat calling, and non consensual sex.

If someone looking at another person is sexual assault, then pretty much every human being should be spending life in prison.

People shrug this off, but even things like the yes/no paradigm propagate rape. Yes doesn't always mean yes, especially when inebriating substances are involved.

True, very true. I'm actually taking a short course on alcohol use, and that is a very important factor to take into account. Drunk people are far less inhibited, and it is unacceptable to take advantage of them in that state.

But this is irrelevant as people disregard women in these situations as having made 'bad decisions' and thus marginalize thier experience of rape.

I'd like evidence of this as well.

You know, I'm still not convinced Equalaria isn't a Poe.
Their opinions are just so....cliche

[The balkens]

Prove it. Citations. Evidence.

If someone looking at another person is sexual assault, then pretty much every human being should be spending life in prison.

True, very true. I'm actually taking a short course on alcohol use, and that is a very important factor to take into account. Drunk people are far less inhibited, and it is unacceptable to take advantage of them in that state.

I'd like evidence of this as well.

You know, I'm still not convinced Equalaria isn't a Poe.
Their opinions are just so....cliche

CM puppet?

[Radiatia]

If rape culture exists then it's not for the west to question it. We have tolerate other cultures after all... right?

[Alvecia]

You know, I'm still not convinced Equalaria isn't a Poe.
Their opinions are just so....cliche

CM puppet?

Nah, that's RFI, and CM's approach is more original, for lack of a better word.

[Wallenburg]

You know, I'm still not convinced Equalaria isn't a Poe.
Their opinions are just so....cliche

CM puppet?

No, probably not. For as much as I disagree with Chess, she tends to be very straightforward about her beliefs. I do not think she would hide behind an undeclared puppet.

Also, if you meant Conservative Morality, then my answer is just "fuck no".

[The balkens]

CM puppet?

Nah, that's RFI, and CM's approach is more original, for lack of a better word.

Or like beating a dead horse.

then fucking its corpse, then beating it again in a fury of self pity.