Is There Really a Rape Culture?

[Des-Bal]

Then you need to get out more. They aren't jokes. Ask your female friends what builders, teenagers, the two-three people driving in a van or other male groupings said to them last time they were walking a street alone.

Is it anything like "Hey man I want that watch" "Hey faggot how it is" so on so forth? The purpose of catcalling, that is actual catcalling not saying "good morning" to a woman who doesn't find you attractive is mostly fucking with a stranger to amuse the people around you. Hang out by a basketball court and you'll probably see quite a few women do it. That's a thing that happens to guys. That said the whole thing about walking the street alone is that it's a whole lot less safe if you're a dude, men are substantially more likely to be the victims of crime than women. I own like five boxcutters because of situations where I ducked into a hardware store and decided it wasn't safe to go back outside unless I had something sharp.

[Mattopilos]

And?

You do realise paragraph structure usually begins with a point, so divorcing the topical point from the explanatory body of the paragraph is ... retarded, since the "And?" is answered in the rest of the paragraph.

Who cares what a woman thinks?

Maybe this is your problem.

I also brought up critical theory for a reason. Anyway, would you contend that a woman would probably disagree with you?

He is saying that you are, in fact, acting with a bias towards women in the way you are arguing by making assumptions that they are all pure and can be all victims. That is ignoring men, and assuming all the thoughts and decisions of humans is based on gender. That is soooo incorrect.

[Soadino]

You do realise paragraph structure usually begins with a point, so divorcing the topical point from the explanatory body of the paragraph is ... retarded, since the "And?" is answered in the rest of the paragraph.


Maybe this is your problem.

I also brought up critical theory for a reason. Anyway, would you contend that a woman would probably disagree with you?

Now your nitpicking, you take little tidbits out of his paragraphs and ignore the rest.

Sounds like an Internet argument

[Costa Fierro]

You do realise paragraph structure usually begins with a point, so divorcing the topical point from the explanatory body of the paragraph is ... retarded, since the "And?" is answered in the rest of the paragraph.

Well at least you could be civil and explain why you think that "being a man" automatically excludes is from examining the evidence at hand and coming to our own conclusions?

We're human beings, not hive minds. As clearly evidenced by the misguided men who call themselves "feminists".

Maybe this is your problem.

You mean not caring about the opinion of someone who isn't affected by rape culture? Sure. It's a "problem".

Anyway, would you contend that a woman would probably disagree with you?

No, because she's been conditioned to believe that all men are sex-crazed animals with no self control who want to rape her.

[Felrik]

Calling someone beautiful is not intimidating.

Catcalling isn't men bending over and throwing flowers and calling women the apples of their eyes. If it was, why would women think it is a problem?

If she can't handle words she's not ready for the outside world.

And of all the posts I've made you decide to reply to this.

[Alvecia]

Calling someone beautiful is not intimidating.

Catcalling isn't men bending over and throwing flowers and calling women the apples of their eyes. If it was, why would women think it is a problem?

Catcalling is not harrassment by use of intimidation by exhibition of physical force either.

[Minzerland]

@Arkolon You've just made anything and everything that is unwanted speech or intimidating physical stature 'violent' because it may cause emotional and mental damage. This is such a ridiculously nebulous term.

[Felrik]

Now your nitpicking, you take little tidbits out of his paragraphs and ignore the rest.

Sounds like an Internet argument

Are you referring to me or him?

If me, then Ill just say I'm not lieing he completely ignored the rest of the argument.

If him, Ikr.

[Arkolon]

You do realise paragraph structure usually begins with a point, so divorcing the topical point from the explanatory body of the paragraph is ... retarded, since the "And?" is answered in the rest of the paragraph.

Well at least you could be civil and explain why you think that "being a man" automatically excludes is from examining the evidence at hand and coming to our own conclusions?

We're human beings, not hive minds. As clearly evidenced by the misguided men who call themselves "feminists".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-structuralism (to a lesser degree)

Anyway, would you contend that a woman would probably disagree with you?

No, because she's been conditioned to believe that all men are sex-crazed animals with no self control who want to rape her.

So you mean "yes"?

[Soadino]

Sounds like an Internet argument

Are you referring to me or him?

If me, then Ill just say I'm not lieing he completely ignored the rest of the argument.

If him, Ikr.

Yeah, it's about him.

[Soadino]

Well at least you could be civil and explain why you think that "being a man" automatically excludes is from examining the evidence at hand and coming to our own conclusions?

We're human beings, not hive minds. As clearly evidenced by the misguided men who call themselves "feminists".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-structuralism (to a lesser degree)

No, because she's been conditioned to believe that all men are sex-crazed animals with no self control who want to rape her.

So you mean "yes"?

Oh boy do you mean business. Pulling out Wikipedia articles.

[Costa Fierro]

Better trust the word of these anonymous MRAs online then.

Yes. God forbid we actually talk about a subject without pretending that women are the only victims of it.

Catcalling isn't men bending over and throwing flowers and calling women the apples of their eyes.

It also doesn't involve any displays of violence or intimidation, which means your definition falls flat.

If it was, why would women think it is a problem?

Because feminists tell them that it's a problem. The ironic thing about their argument is that they portray men as a hive mind governed by their sex drive whilst slowly conditioning women to believe everything they say and to never question it.

But what about your mom when she tells you that she loves you?

What about it? Do you expect me to think that she means it or that she's just saying so because that's what mothers do?

[Arkolon]

@Arkolon You've just made anything and anything that is unwanted speech or physical stature violent.

It's not my definition, it's from Costa's source at the Oxford Dictionaries website. You can take it up to them if you want.

[Felrik]

Well at least you could be civil and explain why you think that "being a man" automatically excludes is from examining the evidence at hand and coming to our own conclusions?

We're human beings, not hive minds. As clearly evidenced by the misguided men who call themselves "feminists".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-structuralism (to a lesser degree)

No, because she's been conditioned to believe that all men are sex-crazed animals with no self control who want to rape her.

So you mean "yes"?

Why are you ignoring every argument, you're nitpicking now, probably because you can't argue anything.

[Minzerland]

@Arkolon You've just made anything and anything that is unwanted speech or physical stature violent.

It's not my definition, it's from Costa's source at the Oxford Dictionaries website. You can take it up to them if you want.

The same problem appears in your definition of 'sexual violence'.

[Mattopilos]

@Arkolon You've just made anything and anything that is unwanted speech or physical stature violent.

It's not my definition, it's from Costa's source at the Oxford Dictionaries website. You can take it up to them if you want.

In other words, you are admitting you are arguing semantics rather than the actual question at hand? good to know.

[Costa Fierro]

So you mean "yes"?

Um, I'm not contending the point. Of course a woman would disagree with be about the existence of rape culture because she's been taught to believe that she's a victim.

It's not my definition, it's from Costa's source at the Oxford Dictionaries website. You can take it up to them if you want.

No, you've redefined it to suit your argument. Any unwanted speech isn't violent, because it does not exhibit any of the definitions that you have claimed it does.

[Catochristoferson]

I suggest you go out and ask a male or your male friends ( best are the younger people ) how they feel about being demonised for something that mainly affects men, because I didnt realise that this didn't effect women much when compared to men and it eventually hit me when I began meeting victims of this demonisation, who are probably your otherwise average person, and we don't realise we reinforce this demonisation of young males everyday.

I am a male with many male friends. This would have been a witty comment if it made sense.

Catcalling and walking home alone at night isn't sexual violence, they aren't innately violent; they cause no physical damage. Why the fuck a it listed as violent.

Violence isn't inherently physical action; violence is also the intimidation by the exhibition of overpowering physical force.

Catcalling?

Are you f***ing kidding me?

How is that violent?

Out of interest, have you ever seen a woman, or women, being catcalled?

Some man on the street looked at me for 6 seconds. Obviously this is a violent catcall and harassment. (SARCASM)

[Arkolon]

Better trust the word of these anonymous MRAs online then.

Yes. God forbid we actually talk about a subject without pretending that women are the only victims of it.

But here you're saying women are the victims of it.

Catcalling isn't men bending over and throwing flowers and calling women the apples of their eyes.

It also doesn't involve any displays of violence or intimidation, which means your definition falls flat.

It reinforces a culture of sexual violence because it normalises that attitude, the mentality that a group of men can harass a woman because she's pretty and alone.

If it was, why would women think it is a problem?

Because feminists tell them that it's a problem. The ironic thing about their argument is that they portray men as a hive mind governed by their sex drive whilst slowly conditioning women to believe everything they say and to never question it.

How do you explain the women that aren't feminists but who don't like being catcalled?

[Felrik]

@Arkolon You've just made anything and anything that is unwanted speech or physical stature violent.

It's not my definition, it's from Costa's source at the Oxford Dictionaries website. You can take it up to them if you want.

How did you turn this into violence, you claimed that these things are sexual violence, which we have established are not we have also established that they don't encourage sexual violence.

Here is the definition for sexual violence.

"Sexual violence is defined as a sexual act committed against someone without that person's freely given consent. Sexual violence is divided into the following types: Completed or attempted forced penetration of a victim. Completed or attempted alcohol/drug-facilitated penetration of a victim.Apr 21, 2016"

[Soadino]

Yes. God forbid we actually talk about a subject without pretending that women are the only victims of it.

But here you're saying women are the victims of it.

It also doesn't involve any displays of violence or intimidation, which means your definition falls flat.

It reinforces a culture of sexual violence because it normalises that attitude, the mentality that a group of men can harass a woman because she's pretty and alone.

Because feminists tell them that it's a problem. The ironic thing about their argument is that they portray men as a hive mind governed by their sex drive whilst slowly conditioning women to believe everything they say and to never question it.

How do you explain the women that aren't feminists but who don't like being catcalled?

Why aren't we talking about men who get catcalled?

[Soadino]

It's not my definition, it's from Costa's source at the Oxford Dictionaries website. You can take it up to them if you want.

How did you turn this into violence, you claimed that these things are sexual violence, which we have established are not we have also established that they don't encourage sexual violence.

Here is the definition for sexual violence.

"Sexual violence is defined as a sexual act committed against someone without that person's freely given consent. Sexual violence is divided into the following types: Completed or attempted forced penetration of a victim. Completed or attempted alcohol/drug-facilitated penetration of a victim.Apr 21, 2016"

Post it enough and maybe he'll notice it

[Des-Bal]

It's not my definition, it's from Costa's source at the Oxford Dictionaries website. You can take it up to them if you want.

The problem isn't that they said it it's that you don't understand it.

"The unlawful exercise of physical force or intimidation by the exhibition of such force."

Violence by your definition is unlawfully using physical force or intimidation conducted by unlawfully using physical force.

[Costa Fierro]

But here you're saying women are the victims of it.

Of rape.

It reinforces a culture of sexual violence because it normalises that attitude, the mentality that a group of men can harass a woman because she's pretty and alone.

It doesn't do anything other than perhaps annoy someone. It doesn't reinforce a "culture of sexual violence" because said culture does not exist.

How do you explain the women that aren't feminists but who don't like being catcalled?

You don't need to be a feminist to be paranoid of being raped. Feminists are the ones who promote the idea. Women who are not feminists are the primary targets for said ideas, because they are the ones that feminists think that need to be convinced.

[Arkolon]

It's not my definition, it's from Costa's source at the Oxford Dictionaries website. You can take it up to them if you want.

The problem isn't that they said it it's that you don't understand it.

"The unlawful exercise of physical force or intimidation by the exhibition of such force."

Violence by your definition is unlawfully using physical force or intimidation conducted by unlawfully using physical force.

The exhibition of force is the threat of force, otherwise the definition is just repeating itself without purpose, which an Oxford Dictionary probably wouldn't do.

So you mean "yes"?

Um, I'm not contending the point. Of course a woman would disagree with be about the existence of rape culture because she's been taught to believe that she's a victim.

And if she is already a victim?

But here you're saying women are the victims of it.

Of rape.

That wasn't what was being discussed. Maybe you misunderstood.

How do you explain the women that aren't feminists but who don't like being catcalled?

You don't need to be a feminist to be paranoid of being raped. Feminists are the ones who promote the idea. Women who are not feminists are the primary targets for said ideas, because they are the ones that feminists think that need to be convinced.

Why did you turn this into rape? It was about catcalling until this post.