Is There Really a Rape Culture?

[Soadino]

And then you have Sweden....

That's what happens when you try to bring in people from a third world country and intergrate them into a extremely liberal country like Sweden.

Yeah...It's a sad place the Swedes live in.

[Mattopilos]

Out of interest, have you ever seen a woman, or women, being catcalled?

Yeah... As a fucking joke. You are WAY to serious about something that really cannot cause any kind of serious harm - you need to focus on real issues in the world and not nit-pick what you consider wrong.

[Minzerland]

No it isn't. Violence implies inherent physicality and catcalling does not involve any physical contact.

Violence isn't inherently physical action; violence is also the intimidation by the exhibition of overpowering physical force.

Catcalling and losing ones virginity, as you've said in previous posts, doesn't fit this definition. A man of certain stature can fit your definition because they may be intimidating by overpowering physical force to woman.

[Arkolon]

We're here to discuss whether or not rape culture exists in the West and it is evidently clear that it does not.

But you're a man. The very fundamentals of critical theory tell us that that would shape your opinion, especially on a topic like this. So, what I'm asking is, would a woman say the same?

[Felrik]

I suggest you go out and ask a male or your male friends ( best are the younger people ) how they feel about being demonised for something that mainly affects men, because I didnt realise that this didn't effect women much when compared to men and it eventually hit me when I began meeting victims of this demonisation, who are probably your otherwise average person, and we don't realise we reinforce this demonisation of young males everyday.

I am a male with many male friends. This would have been a witty comment if it made sense.

Catcalling and walking home alone at night isn't sexual violence, they aren't innately violent; they cause no physical damage. Why the fuck a it listed as violent.

Violence isn't inherently physical action; violence is also the intimidation by the exhibition of overpowering physical force.

Catcalling?

Are you f***ing kidding me?

How is that violent?

Out of interest, have you ever seen a woman, or women, being catcalled?

It wasn't supposed to make sense it was mocking your post, and yes I have seen a women cat called they generally ignore it and move on with their lives like mature women, unlike the girls who take offence off of words.

[Mattopilos]

We're here to discuss whether or not rape culture exists in the West and it is evidently clear that it does not.

But you're a man. The very fundamentals of critical theory tell us that that would shape your opinion, especially on a topic like this. So, what I'm asking is, would a woman say the same?

Yes, they would, unless that are the overly-fanatic third-wavers.

[Costa Fierro]

Violence isn't inherently physical action; violence is also the intimidation by the exhibition of overpowering physical force.

Jesus wept. Violence, first and foremost, is physical. There is nothing anywhere in any dictionary that says that calling someone beautiful is inherently violent or that the "exhibition of overpowering physical force" is violence.

How about you acknowledge that redefining words to suit your argument doesn't work?

[Soadino]

I suggest you go out and ask a male or your male friends ( best are the younger people ) how they feel about being demonised for something that mainly affects men, because I didnt realise that this didn't effect women much when compared to men and it eventually hit me when I began meeting victims of this demonisation, who are probably your otherwise average person, and we don't realise we reinforce this demonisation of young males everyday.

I am a male with many male friends. This would have been a witty comment if it made sense.

Catcalling and walking home alone at night isn't sexual violence, they aren't innately violent; they cause no physical damage. Why the fuck a it listed as violent.

Violence isn't inherently physical action; violence is also the intimidation by the exhibition of overpowering physical force.

Catcalling?

Are you f***ing kidding me?

How is that violent?

Out of interest, have you ever seen a woman, or women, being catcalled?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e706l9FD2g

[Soadino]

We're here to discuss whether or not rape culture exists in the West and it is evidently clear that it does not.

But you're a man. The very fundamentals of critical theory tell us that that would shape your opinion, especially on a topic like this. So, what I'm asking is, would a woman say the same?

A woman probably would.

[Felrik]

We're here to discuss whether or not rape culture exists in the West and it is evidently clear that it does not.

But you're a man. The very fundamentals of critical theory tell us that that would shape your opinion, especially on a topic like this. So, what I'm asking is, would a woman say the same?

Really your pulling the "we aren't them so we don't know what it's like" argument, I can throw that logic back at you in fact, maybe their molded to believe they live in a rape culture and men know that we don't.

[Arkolon]

Out of interest, have you ever seen a woman, or women, being catcalled?

Yeah... As a fucking joke.

Then you need to get out more. They aren't jokes. Ask your female friends what builders, teenagers, the two-three people driving in a van or other male groupings said to them last time they were walking a street alone.

[Felrik]

Yeah... As a fucking joke.

Then you need to get out more. They aren't jokes. Ask your female friends what builders, teenagers, the two-three people driving in a van or other male groupings said to them last time they were walking a street alone.

Maybe you've been talking to the wrong girls, notice I didn't use the word women, after all if a comment can make them mad are you sure they're ready for the outside world.

[Mattopilos]

Yeah... As a fucking joke.

Then you need to get out more. They aren't jokes. Ask your female friends what builders, teenagers, the two-three people driving in a van or other male groupings said to them last time they were walking a street alone.

Again, you are taking a minor problem and exaggerating to the point of hyperbole. WORDS. ARE. NOT. INHERENTLY. VIOLENT. IF you find it hard to know what the word 'violent' means, YOU need to get out more. You clearly aren't here for a proper discussion in the way you have been using purely emotional points to 'prove' a rape culture exists. Not stats, not evidence, just anecdotes and 'what ifs'.

[Arkolon]

Violence isn't inherently physical action; violence is also the intimidation by the exhibition of overpowering physical force.

Jesus wept. Violence, first and foremost, is physical. There is nothing anywhere in any dictionary that says that calling someone beautiful is inherently violent or that the "exhibition of overpowering physical force" is violence.

How about you acknowledge that redefining words to suit your argument doesn't work?

I used your exact source.

1.1
Law
The unlawful exercise of physical force or intimidation by the exhibition of such force.

[Costa Fierro]

But you're a man.

And?

The very fundamentals of critical theory tell us that that would shape your opinion, especially on a topic like this.

My genitalia does not influence how I think. I look at how Western society treats women who have been raped compared with other societies. I look at the laws, the societal views and other aspects and compare them with Western societies. And I have come to the conclusion that rape culture against women does not exist but rape culture against men does.

So, what I'm asking is, would a woman say the same?

Who cares what a woman thinks? She doesn't "suffer" from any kind of societal issues surrounding rape. If someone forced you to penetrate them against your will, or penetrated you against your will, would it not be considered rape? After all, the very people that invented the concept don't think so.

[Felrik]

Jesus wept. Violence, first and foremost, is physical. There is nothing anywhere in any dictionary that says that calling someone beautiful is inherently violent or that the "exhibition of overpowering physical force" is violence.

How about you acknowledge that redefining words to suit your argument doesn't work?

I used your exact source.

1.1
Law
The unlawful exercise of physical force or intimidation by the exhibition of such force.

Calling someone beautiful is not intimidating.

[Costa Fierro]

I used your exact source.

1.1
Law
The unlawful exercise of physical force or intimidation by the exhibition of such force.

It does not apply to catcalling. Because catcalling isn't violent. It does not involve any physical contact and it does not involve the display of any such force. It is also lawful.

So catcalling is not violent.

[Costa Fierro]

Then you need to get out more.

You need to stop pretending that everything a woman says holds any truth to it.

[Minzerland]

Jesus wept. Violence, first and foremost, is physical. There is nothing anywhere in any dictionary that says that calling someone beautiful is inherently violent or that the "exhibition of overpowering physical force" is violence.

How about you acknowledge that redefining words to suit your argument doesn't work?

I used your exact source.

1.1
Law
The unlawful exercise of physical force or intimidation by the exhibition of such force.

How is catcalling 'intimidating'?

[Arkolon]

But you're a man.

And?

You do realise paragraph structure usually begins with a point, so divorcing the topical point from the explanatory body of the paragraph is ... retarded, since the "And?" is answered in the rest of the paragraph.

Who cares what a woman thinks?

Maybe this is your problem.

I also brought up critical theory for a reason. Anyway, would you contend that a woman would probably disagree with you?

[Soadino]

Then you need to get out more.

You need to stop pretending that everything a woman says holds any truth to it.

But what about your mom when she tells you that she loves you?

[Arkolon]

I used your exact source.

1.1
Law
The unlawful exercise of physical force or intimidation by the exhibition of such force.

Calling someone beautiful is not intimidating.

Catcalling isn't men bending over and throwing flowers and calling women the apples of their eyes. If it was, why would women think it is a problem?

[Arkolon]

Then you need to get out more.

You need to stop pretending that everything a woman says holds any truth to it.

Better trust the word of these anonymous MRAs online then.

[Soadino]

And?

You do realise paragraph structure usually begins with a point, so divorcing the topical point from the explanatory body of the paragraph is ... retarded, since the "And?" is answered in the rest of the paragraph.

Who cares what a woman thinks?

Maybe this is your problem.

I also brought up critical theory for a reason. Anyway, would you contend that a woman would probably disagree with you?

I mean, Angela Merkel and Germany...

[Felrik]

And?

You do realise paragraph structure usually begins with a point, so divorcing the topical point from the explanatory body of the paragraph is ... retarded, since the "And?" is answered in the rest of the paragraph.

Who cares what a woman thinks?

Maybe this is your problem.

I also brought up critical theory for a reason. Anyway, would you contend that a woman would probably disagree with you?

Now your nitpicking, you take little tidbits out of his paragraphs and ignore the rest.