Is There Really a Rape Culture?

[Freefall11111]

Sure. Just not in the West.

[Quokkastan]

Sure. Just not in the West.

I still think the "don't drop the soap" thing qualifies. It tends not to be focused on because it concerns mainly men, but the degree to which America in particular trivializes prison rape is something we should address.

[Stojam]

Yep, In the Middle East, Rape became culture (except Israel).

[Freefall11111]

Sure. Just not in the West.

I still think the "don't drop the soap" thing qualifies. It tends not to be focused on because it concerns mainly men, but the degree to which America in particular trivializes prison rape is something we should address.

Is rape in prison actually widespread in the US?

[Felrik]

Sure. Just not in the West.

I still think the "don't drop the soap" thing qualifies. It tends not to be focused on because it concerns mainly men, but the degree to which America in particular trivializes prison rape is something we should address.

Rape culture in prisons needs to be touched on, along with the trivialisation of female raping males and the trivialisation of prison rape.

[Quokkastan]

I still think the "don't drop the soap" thing qualifies. It tends not to be focused on because it concerns mainly men, but the degree to which America in particular trivializes prison rape is something we should address.

Is rape in prison actually widespread in the US?

I've heard 21% thrown around as a statistic, but I don't know how reliable that is.

But the actual percentage doesn't really matter. "Rape Culture" deals with societal attitudes towards rape, not the incidence of rape. And the fact is that American culture is rather jaded to the idea of sexual violence in prison. To the point where it's a not-infrequent subject of humor.

Which is kind of disturbing, given that you would never sentence someone to be raped (if you would, we have a problem), but many of us are happy to put even nonviolent minor offenders in a position were we think it's likely they will be raped.

[Felrik]

I still think the "don't drop the soap" thing qualifies. It tends not to be focused on because it concerns mainly men, but the degree to which America in particular trivializes prison rape is something we should address.

Is rape in prison actually widespread in the US?

Enough that it's a problem that needs touching on.

[Saiwania]

Is rape in prison actually widespread in the US?

It is almost certain to happen regardless of which US prison a person is sent to, depending on how they carry themselves while incarcerated and whether they observe the complex and unwritten "inmate codes" and what they got sent to prison for. There are high and low respect crimes where an inmate will be treated differently depending on what they've been convicted of. Child abusers/sex offenders are at or near the bottom in social hierarchy and thus get the most abuse/harassment/disrespect from other inmates, but the lion's share of how an inmate is treated is whether or not they break a prison's expected norms and how well they fit in.

It isn't ideal to get into fights, but generally speaking- an inmate will get more respect if they physically defend themselves when attacked whether they win or lose said fight. If they don't, they may get the label of prison bitch and be treated accordingly by the other inmates.

[New Owca]

Genghis Khan also fielded female warriors. Rape is about power, not sex ^-^

That's not only wrong, it's nonsensical.

What, about Genghis Khan? No, seriously, he made his daughters top army generals and used women as horse archers! For example, his daughter Altanqalan was a general.

[New Owca]

Sure. Just not in the West.

I still think the "don't drop the soap" thing qualifies. It tends not to be focused on because it concerns mainly men, but the degree to which America in particular trivializes prison rape is something we should address.

The way in which we trivialise how prisoners are treated in general needs to be addressed. Prison Rape is just a part of a wider problem in prisons.

[Felrik]

I still think the "don't drop the soap" thing qualifies. It tends not to be focused on because it concerns mainly men, but the degree to which America in particular trivializes prison rape is something we should address.

The way in which we trivialise how prisoners are treated in general needs to be addressed. Prison Rape is just a part of a wider problem in prisons.

The only rape culture in the west in my opinion would consist of prison rape and to an extent men being raped, after all both are trivialised.

[Arkolon]

The way in which we trivialise how prisoners are treated in general needs to be addressed. Prison Rape is just a part of a wider problem in prisons.

The only rape culture in the west in my opinion would consist of prison rape and to an extent men being raped, after all both are trivialised.

But by making this very statement you are trivialising violence against women by suggesting that it is something that happens, but people care about it so it doesn't matter. Black-on-white shooting also goes under the rug but that doesn't meen white-on-black crime is not a bigger problem, for example. I don't want to go into a debate on BLM, I'm just highlighting the irony in your statement. Also I believe 'rape culture' encompasses violence of sexual nature against women in general, which we do trivialise and include as part of our male 'growing up' culture, and not just the act of nonconsensual sex.

[New Owca]

The only rape culture in the west in my opinion would consist of prison rape and to an extent men being raped, after all both are trivialised.

Also I believe 'rape culture' encompasses violence of sexual nature against women in general, which we do trivialise and include as part of our male 'growing up' culture, and not just the act of nonconsensual sex.

[Minzerland]

The only rape culture in the west in my opinion would consist of prison rape and to an extent men being raped, after all both are trivialised.

But by making this very statement you are trivialising violence against women by suggesting that it is something that happens, but people care about it so it doesn't matter.Black-on-white shooting also goes under the rug but that doesn't meen white-on-black crime is not a bigger problem, for example.

I don't see how you've come to this conclusion, I didn't see Felrik suggesting, explicitly nor implicitly, that it 'doesn't matter'.

I don't want to go into a debate on BLM, I'm just highlighting the irony in your statement.

What 'irony'? He hasn't trivialised the rape of women.

Also I believe 'rape culture' encompasses violence of sexual nature against women in general, which we do trivialise and include as part of our male 'growing up' culture, and not just the act of nonconsensual sex.

No. I disagree. I think you'll find that the majority of people find rape an abhorrent act, and sexual violence against women in general and isn't considered part of 'growing up'.

[Hirota]

Also I believe 'rape culture' encompasses violence of sexual nature against women in general, which we do trivialise and include as part of our male 'growing up' culture, and not just the act of nonconsensual sex.

Summarises the entirety of Arkolons contributions so far. It's been nothing more than anecdotes. That which can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

[Felrik]

The only rape culture in the west in my opinion would consist of prison rape and to an extent men being raped, after all both are trivialised.

But by making this very statement you are trivialising violence against women by suggesting that it is something that happens, but people care about it so it doesn't matter. Black-on-white shooting also goes under the rug but that doesn't meen white-on-black crime is not a bigger problem, for example. I don't want to go into a debate on BLM, I'm just highlighting the irony in your statement. Also I believe 'rape culture' encompasses violence of sexual nature against women in general, which we do trivialise and include as part of our male 'growing up' culture, and not just the act of nonconsensual sex.

Female rape being trivialised.

Please elaborate?

[Aapje]

But by making this very statement you are trivialising violence against women by suggesting that it is something that happens, but people care about it so it doesn't matter.

Dismissing a term that is used to prevent equal treatment of male victims and thus leads to normalizing violence against men, is not the same as trivializing violence against women. Your statement is actually a good example of why 'social justice' is so often toxic. Bigotry against one group is portrayed as legitimate concern for another group.

Reading your arguments so far, you seem to base your entire argument on your subjective assessment that violence happens more often to women. However, it is an undeniable scientific fact that violence happens more against men. It's also scientifically proven that people are way less accepting of violence against women, so science has proven that the average person cannot accurately judge the violence against men vs women. They will consider the latter much worse, because the same violence that happens against a woman will be judged worse than when it happens against a man. So the average person will selectively interpret his experiences and even if an equal number of men as women experience violence, they will believe that women are worse off.

That's why you are wrong to treat your subjective views as truth and should look at proper science which (tries to) correct for that stuff.

Also I believe 'rape culture' encompasses violence of sexual nature against women in general, which we do trivialise and include as part of our male 'growing up' culture, and not just the act of nonconsensual sex.

Do you have any proof of this?

[New Owca]

Summarises the entirety of Arkolons contributions so far. It's been nothing more than anecdotes. That which can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Part of me wonders where on earth Arkolon is to claim all these things as if they were just facts everyone should know. Its kind of worrying

[Frenline Delpha]

Summarises the entirety of Arkolons contributions so far. It's been nothing more than anecdotes. That which can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Part of me wonders where on earth Arkolon is to claim all these things as if they were just facts everyone should know. Its kind of worrying

That's how most "SJWs" operate. Claim a radical, idiotic idea is the absolute truth, and then act like everyone who disagrees with you is [insert -ist here].

[Arkolon]

Also I believe 'rape culture' encompasses violence of sexual nature against women in general, which we do trivialise and include as part of our male 'growing up' culture, and not just the act of nonconsensual sex.

"Rape culture is a term that was coined by feminists in the United States in the 1970's. It was designed to show the ways in which society blamed victims of sexual assault and normalized male sexual violence."

http://www.wavaw.ca/what-is-rape-culture/

Also I believe 'rape culture' encompasses violence of sexual nature against women in general, which we do trivialise and include as part of our male 'growing up' culture, and not just the act of nonconsensual sex.

No. I disagree. I think you'll find that the majority of people find rape an abhorrent act, and sexual violence against women in general and isn't considered part of 'growing up'.

That's where I've found that I was ignorant for many years. Not rape, note that I didn't say rape was part of the male 'growing up' culture, but that sexual violence is. For example, pulling at a party, losing your virginity, catcalling etc are venerated in male culture and while you'd think it's either innocuous or the women don't mind, it took me a long time to realise, after being with many women over the years, that it reinforces this culture of sexual violence towards other women and that it also seeps into the women's senses of sexual submission. Again, as I said before, maybe you don't do it, but to say that these things aren't part of male adolescent/growing-up culture would just be a lie.

[Gravlen]

Evidence and definition, please.

For men, there's rape culture in the form of finding it amusing that men are raped, blaming them for their own rape, etc.

For women, it's less mainstream and less accepted, but victim blaming exists in pockets.

I would not say our society has rape culture as a norm against women, but it does exist. View it more like "anime culture" and you might see it.

"Rape sub-culture" may be more accurate.

I have to say, I find this post to be persuasive. I think you're right on the money on this one. Rape sub-culture does indeed sound more accurate.

[Felrik]

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"Rape culture is a term that was coined by feminists in the United States in the 1970's. It was designed to show the ways in which society blamed victims of sexual assault and normalized male sexual violence."

http://www.wavaw.ca/what-is-rape-culture/

No. I disagree. I think you'll find that the majority of people find rape an abhorrent act, and sexual violence against women in general and isn't considered part of 'growing up'.

That's where I've found that I was ignorant for many years. Not rape, note that I didn't say rape was part of the male 'growing up' culture, but that sexual violence is. For example, pulling at a party, losing your virginity, catcalling etc are venerated in male culture and while you'd think it's either innocuous or the women don't mind, it took me a long time to realise, after being with many women over the years, that it reinforces this culture of sexual violence towards other women and that it also seeps into the women's senses of sexual submission. Again, as I said before, maybe you don't do it, but to say that these things aren't part of male adolescent/growing-up culture would just be a lie.

Losing your virginity and catcalling don't encourage sexual violence, one is where you have sex for the first time and the other is simply calling a women beautiful or saying you would like to have sex with her, neither encourage violence at all, I fail to see how you made this jump in logic, one is calling a women beautiful or telling them you want to have sex with them, which out of the two examples you give is the only one that could really be counted as negative unless the virginity is lost by rape which is certainly not encouraged especially against women, and the other is something that both sexes desire to do, how do you equate that to sexual violence.

[Arkolon]

"Rape culture is a term that was coined by feminists in the United States in the 1970's. It was designed to show the ways in which society blamed victims of sexual assault and normalized male sexual violence."

http://www.wavaw.ca/what-is-rape-culture/


That's where I've found that I was ignorant for many years. Not rape, note that I didn't say rape was part of the male 'growing up' culture, but that sexual violence is. For example, pulling at a party, losing your virginity, catcalling etc are venerated in male culture and while you'd think it's either innocuous or the women don't mind, it took me a long time to realise, after being with many women over the years, that it reinforces this culture of sexual violence towards other women and that it also seeps into the women's senses of sexual submission. Again, as I said before, maybe you don't do it, but to say that these things aren't part of male adolescent/growing-up culture would just be a lie.

Losing your virginity and catcalling don't encourage sexual violence, one is where you have sex for the first time and the other is simply calling a women beautiful or saying you would like have sex, neither encourage violence at all, I fail to see how you made this jump in logic, one is calling a women beautiful or telling them you want to have sex with them, which out of the two examples you give the only one that could be really be counted as negative unless the virginity is lost by rape which is certainly not encouraged especially against women, and the other is something that both sexes desire to do, how do you equate that to sexual violence.

Have you ever asked a woman what she thinks of catcalling or how she feels about her first time probably having been something taken from her by a boy who cared more about how cool his friends were going to think he is than keeping a loving relationship?

[Felrik]

Losing your virginity and catcalling don't encourage sexual violence, one is where you have sex for the first time and the other is simply calling a women beautiful or saying you would like have sex, neither encourage violence at all, I fail to see how you made this jump in logic, one is calling a women beautiful or telling them you want to have sex with them, which out of the two examples you give the only one that could be really be counted as negative unless the virginity is lost by rape which is certainly not encouraged especially against women, and the other is something that both sexes desire to do, how do you equate that to sexual violence.

Have you ever asked a woman what she thinks of catcalling or how she feels about her first time probably having been something taken from her by a boy who cared more about how cool his friends were going to think he is than keeping a loving relationship?

It still does not equate to sexual violence.

[Felrik]

Losing your virginity and catcalling don't encourage sexual violence, one is where you have sex for the first time and the other is simply calling a women beautiful or saying you would like have sex, neither encourage violence at all, I fail to see how you made this jump in logic, one is calling a women beautiful or telling them you want to have sex with them, which out of the two examples you give the only one that could be really be counted as negative unless the virginity is lost by rape which is certainly not encouraged especially against women, and the other is something that both sexes desire to do, how do you equate that to sexual violence.

Have you ever asked a woman what she thinks of catcalling or how she feels about her first time probably having been something taken from her by a boy who cared more about how cool his friends were going to think he is than keeping a loving relationship?

Sexual violence would require you to be violent sexually.