Is There Really a Rape Culture?

[Socialist Tera]

If rape culture is defined as "which rape is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality." as per the OP, then I would argue the only rape culture which is permitted in western culture is that of women against boys and men.

While the incident of female on male rape may be an occurrence that happens less often, when it does the men often have no legal recourse.

If thats not the normalisation of rape due to their gender I don't know what is.

So then as I said in the OP--why does feminism, as a movement, resist focusing on this issue? Why as well do they not focus on things like abuse and sexual assault in lesbian relationships, or others who are vulnerable to women?

I suspect part of the problem here is that rape culture is an outgrowth of patriarchy theory, and patriarchy theory basically states that all our human problems come from patriarchy--male dominated society. Without that analysis mainstream feminism's purpose and drive falls apart in the West, since it's predicated on the idea that women and girls are victims of men and boys.

It primarily comes from gender stereotypes.

[Cetacea]

yes there is and it affects people regardless of gender

the analysis has been flawed and while feminist theory has gone a long way to combating rape of women it has failed to validate the rape of men and in particular the rape of boys by w omen to the extent that it has in fact resulted in trivialising of the issue in favour of the irrational position that male = perpetrator

[Pandeeria]

Rape culture doesn't exist in any first world country. I could maybe see an argument for undeveloped nations, particularly in Africa and the Middle East, but even that is debatable.

[Tekeristan]

No, not really.

Aren't men actually raped more if you include prison?

[The Antarctic Clone Army]

No rape is random it's not a culture it's a crime
Modern feminests are corrupted man hating Nazis

[Pandeeria]

Modern feminests are corrupted man hating Nazis

u wot m8?

[Socialist Tera]

No rape is random it's not a culture it's a crime
Modern feminests are corrupted man hating Nazis

Do you know what nazis are? Can you give me a link where they spout antisemitism, salute to the swastika and praise Hitler?

[Dumb Ideologies]

The concept is born from radical feminist ideology and is part of an ongoing tendency - that's unfortunately spreading to other branches of feminism - to append the word "rape" as a prefix or suffix to anything they can think of to attention-grab and attempt to label anyone who disagrees with them as, at the very least, apologists for rape. Valid? No.

[Jumalariik]

so true

Yes, pat yourself on the back about how superior and perfect your culture is.

Oh, yes, their are a great many people in the West who think that rape is okay. And no, they're not all immigrants. The law, thankfully, does not generally agree with them (though individual cops and judges may), but that doesn't mean that they aren't their.

Our culture is better. We don't need two women for every one man witness in a rape trial. If you can prove you were raped by somebody, that person will be imprisoned in the West.

[The Antarctic Clone Army]

No rape is random it's not a culture it's a crime
Modern feminests are corrupted man hating Nazis

Do you know what nazis are? Can you give me a link where they spout antisemitism, salute to the swastika and praise Hitler?

That's not what I meant
And there are alot who took the joke kill all men serious
They may not be your definition of a nazi my definition is a genocidal dictator or wannabe dictator where I'm from

[New Edom]

yes there is and it affects people regardless of gender

the analysis has been flawed and while feminist theory has gone a long way to combating rape of women it has failed to validate the rape of men and in particular the rape of boys by w omen to the extent that it has in fact resulted in trivialising of the issue in favour of the irrational position that male = perpetrator

I generally agree with this. There are brief mentions of men in discussions of rape culture on feminist websites and news sites that regularly feature articles on feminism, but overwhelmingly it is depicted as being a part of patriarchyt heory focused on women's issues. There's a sort of doublethink in this, in that advocates of the notion will flip flop from feminism being about women's advocacy to feminism helping men sometimes even in the same article. It's hardly helpful and hardly enough.

The concept is born from radical feminist ideology and is part of an ongoing tendency - that's unfortunately spreading to other branches of feminism - to append the word "rape" as a prefix or suffix to anything they can think of to attention-grab and attempt to label anyone who disagrees with them as, at the very least, apologists for rape. Valid? No.

I wonder why it has become such a popular analysis then? Why has it spread like wildfire among mainstram feminists?

[Pandeeria]

Do you know what nazis are? Can you give me a link where they spout antisemitism, salute to the swastika and praise Hitler?

That's not what I meant
And there are alot who took the joke kill all men serious
They may not be your definition of a nazi my definition is a genocidal dictator or wannabe dictator where I'm from

Then you have a poor definition of Nazism.

[Socialist Tera]

Do you know what nazis are? Can you give me a link where they spout antisemitism, salute to the swastika and praise Hitler?

That's not what I meant
And there are alot who took the joke kill all men serious
They may not be your definition of a nazi my definition is a genocidal dictator or wannabe dictator where I'm from

Sorry, but using that definition of Nazism kinda delegitimizes the suffering my grandfather went through.

yes there is and it affects people regardless of gender

the analysis has been flawed and while feminist theory has gone a long way to combating rape of women it has failed to validate the rape of men and in particular the rape of boys by w omen to the extent that it has in fact resulted in trivialising of the issue in favour of the irrational position that male = perpetrator

I generally agree with this. There are brief mentions of men in discussions of rape culture on feminist websites and news sites that regularly feature articles on feminism, but overwhelmingly it is depicted as being a part of patriarchyt heory focused on women's issues. There's a sort of doublethink in this, in that advocates of the notion will flip flop from feminism being about women's advocacy to feminism helping men sometimes even in the same article. It's hardly helpful and hardly enough.

The concept is born from radical feminist ideology and is part of an ongoing tendency - that's unfortunately spreading to other branches of feminism - to append the word "rape" as a prefix or suffix to anything they can think of to attention-grab and attempt to label anyone who disagrees with them as, at the very least, apologists for rape. Valid? No.

I wonder why it has become such a popular analysis then? Why has it spread like wildfire among mainstram feminists?

It's used by some feminists to coax and bait men into arguments.

[Alvecia]

yes there is and it affects people regardless of gender

the analysis has been flawed and while feminist theory has gone a long way to combating rape of women it has failed to validate the rape of men and in particular the rape of boys by w omen to the extent that it has in fact resulted in trivialising of the issue in favour of the irrational position that male = perpetrator

I generally agree with this. There are brief mentions of men in discussions of rape culture on feminist websites and news sites that regularly feature articles on feminism, but overwhelmingly it is depicted as being a part of patriarchyt heory focused on women's issues. There's a sort of doublethink in this, in that advocates of the notion will flip flop from feminism being about women's advocacy to feminism helping men sometimes even in the same article. It's hardly helpful and hardly enough.

The concept is born from radical feminist ideology and is part of an ongoing tendency - that's unfortunately spreading to other branches of feminism - to append the word "rape" as a prefix or suffix to anything they can think of to attention-grab and attempt to label anyone who disagrees with them as, at the very least, apologists for rape. Valid? No.

I wonder why it has become such a popular analysis then? Why has it spread like wildfire among mainstram feminists?

Has it? Or has it just spread to the loudest?

[New Edom]

Do you know what nazis are? Can you give me a link where they spout antisemitism, salute to the swastika and praise Hitler?

That's not what I meant
And there are alot who took the joke kill all men serious
They may not be your definition of a nazi my definition is a genocidal dictator or wannabe dictator where I'm from

I know what you mean but it's not really a helpful term to use. For one thing, it just acts as a provocative remark and for another it allows useful discussions to be diverted into whether or not this term is accurate rather than focusing on the issues. I take it that what you really mean is that feminists can be frustratingly dogmatic and that patriarchy theory really does blame nearly all men for everything bad in the world.

[New Edom]

I generally agree with this. There are brief mentions of men in discussions of rape culture on feminist websites and news sites that regularly feature articles on feminism, but overwhelmingly it is depicted as being a part of patriarchyt heory focused on women's issues. There's a sort of doublethink in this, in that advocates of the notion will flip flop from feminism being about women's advocacy to feminism helping men sometimes even in the same article. It's hardly helpful and hardly enough.



I wonder why it has become such a popular analysis then? Why has it spread like wildfire among mainstram feminists?

Has it? Or has it just spread to the loudest?

That's a good question. Well it would be one thing if it was just people like Jessica Valenti, Laci Green, the Slutwalk and Free the Nipple folks talking about it, but the problem is that organizations, lobby groups and public figures such as the President and Vice President of the United States and the Prime Minister of Canada support the theory through policy, so it's a serious issue. Whether it's a loud minority or a broad majority, the voices rae being heard and acted upon.

[New Edom]

That's not what I meant
And there are alot who took the joke kill all men serious
They may not be your definition of a nazi my definition is a genocidal dictator or wannabe dictator where I'm from

Sorry, but using that definition of Nazism kinda delegitimizes the suffering my grandfather went through.

I generally agree with this. There are brief mentions of men in discussions of rape culture on feminist websites and news sites that regularly feature articles on feminism, but overwhelmingly it is depicted as being a part of patriarchyt heory focused on women's issues. There's a sort of doublethink in this, in that advocates of the notion will flip flop from feminism being about women's advocacy to feminism helping men sometimes even in the same article. It's hardly helpful and hardly enough.



I wonder why it has become such a popular analysis then? Why has it spread like wildfire among mainstram feminists?

It's used by some feminists to coax and bait men into arguments.

it is also used to back up policy, lobbying, gain funding, and educational initiatives.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Has it? Or has it just spread to the loudest?

That's a good question. Well it would be one thing if it was just people like Jessica Valenti, Laci Green, the Slutwalk and Free the Nipple folks talking about it, but the problem is that organizations, lobby groups and public figures such as the President and Vice President of the United States and the Prime Minister of Canada support the theory through policy, so it's a serious issue. Whether it's a loud minority or a broad majority, the voices rae being heard and acted upon.

It's caught on because normally reasonable people's critical thinking faculties shut off when someone spouting dubious theories introduces themselves as a feminist.

[New Edom]

That's a good question. Well it would be one thing if it was just people like Jessica Valenti, Laci Green, the Slutwalk and Free the Nipple folks talking about it, but the problem is that organizations, lobby groups and public figures such as the President and Vice President of the United States and the Prime Minister of Canada support the theory through policy, so it's a serious issue. Whether it's a loud minority or a broad majority, the voices rae being heard and acted upon.

It's caught on because normally reasonable people's critical thinking faculties shut off when someone spouting dubious theories introduces themselves as a feminist.

That's unfortunate, because stuff like this has created a totally unnecessary conflict.

That makes me curious: would it ever be possible to have a reasoned discussion about the issues surrounding sexual consent and the lack of it? It strikes me that more often and not in human history it is more often ideologically or culturally driven with rational responses being few and far between.

[The New Sea Territory]

Is there really another anti-feminist thread?

[New Edom]

Is there really another anti-feminist thread?

So are you saying that the theory of rape culture should just be believed as though it were an often proven scientific theory and never even questioned as you might a scientific theory? Even when I studied evolutionary theory you didn't have to believe it--you just had to demonstrate that you understood how it worked and act on that premise for the purposes of the class, but the prof didn't care if you actually believed in it privately or not. So are you saying that rape culture theory is more to be believed than the theory of evolution?

[The Romulan Republic]

Is there really another anti-feminist thread?

The local anti-feminists/MRAs evidently felt that 50,000 wasn't enough.

[New Edom]

Is there really another anti-feminist thread?

The local anti-feminists/MRAs evidently felt that 50,000 wasn't enough.

So are you too saying that rape culture as a theory cannot be questioned?

[Alvecia]

The local anti-feminists/MRAs evidently felt that 50,000 wasn't enough.

So are you too saying that rape culture as a theory cannot be questioned?

The proper response to a flippant dismissal is not to strawman.

[Jumalariik]

Is there really another anti-feminist thread?

I didn't know that a question could also be a position.