Is There Really a Rape Culture?

[Frenline Delpha]

Because they would rather swear up and down that they are not hysterical women but in fact, they are hysterical women?

food for thought.

Feminist =/= woman, despite what Frenline would have you believe.

When the fuck did I say that? I most certainly know that not all women are feminists. I actually admire women who can stand up against feminism.

[Chestaan]

I would be happy to support feminism that took that form. Sadly, at the moment, I don't think the feminist movement is much like that. Specifically I am sick of the attitude that if you bring up men's issues that you are against women or somehow a misogynist.

I made an edit that is rather important here

My problem with many of the rather loud and obnoxious feminists is not that they do not support men's rights as feminists, my issue with them in particular is that they actively harm men's rights, and say that it is a part of feminism to do so.

So yeah, I agree with you. I have a big issue with where mainstream feminism is heading. I keep the word because in my own way I am trying to fight against it. Problem is I and many like me are not interested in going on news shows or making videos of ourselves.

I think you perfectly summed up one of my main concerns with the movement. And I think you are right to keep the word. Feminism has done a lot of good for the world and people like yourself, those who are truly interested in equality, have the right to claim that legacy, as opposed to those who have hijacked the movement.

[New Owca]

Rape culture? Dont make me laugh! The idea of rape being seen as acceptable or even encouraged is preposterous. Maybe a thousand years ago one could argue there was a culture that trivilised rape and rape victims, but nowadays? No chance!

[Wallenburg]

Feminist =/= woman, despite what Frenline would have you believe.

When the fuck did I say that?

Men cannot be feminists.

Men cannot be feminists because they are not women and therefore cannot understand women's issues. In the same way women cannot be masculinists because they are women.

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I most certainly know that not all women are feminists. I actually admire women who can stand up against feminism.

Sure you do. In any case, I never said you think that all women are feminists. I said that you think all feminists are women.

[Frenline Delpha]

When the fuck did I say that?

Men cannot be feminists.

Men cannot be feminists because they are not women and therefore cannot understand women's issues. In the same way women cannot be masculinists because they are women.

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I most certainly know that not all women are feminists. I actually admire women who can stand up against feminism.

Sure you do. In any case, I never said you think that all women are feminists. I said that you think all feminists are women.

Wait, do you think I am Costa? I haven't even been on that long. I know men can be feminists. Steve Shives exists, after all.

[Wallenburg]

Wait, do you think I am Costa? I haven't even been on that long. I know men can be feminists. Steve Shives exists, after all.

I think I lost my brain a little bit there. Well, this is embarrassing. Sorry about that.

[Frenline Delpha]

Wait, do you think I am Costa? I haven't even been on that long. I know men can be feminists. Steve Shives exists, after all.

I think I lost my brain a little bit there. Well, this is embarrassing. Sorry about that.

It's alright. Happens to all of us sometimes.

[Neutraligon]

Rape culture? Dont make me laugh! The idea of rape being seen as acceptable or even encouraged is preposterous. Maybe a thousand years ago one could argue there was a culture that trivilised rape and rape victims, but nowadays? No chance!

Oh, so the rape of men isn't trivialized?

[Neutraligon]

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Sure you do. In any case, I never said you think that all women are feminists. I said that you think all feminists are women.

Wait, do you think I am Costa? I haven't even been on that long. I know men can be feminists. Steve Shives exists, after all.

Steve Shives is ridiculous. It is sad to see what he has become considering he was once a skeptic. His dismissal of men being raped is rather disgusting.

[New Edom]

Have you found that many have been moving away from the organisation in recent times? And if so, what has driven them away?

Those like me, yes, and for precisely the reason listed above. The group is less and less representing us. Many of us strongly disagree with the authoritarianism that those like Anita represent, and unfortunately that group seems to be more of the mainstream. I would say we are leaving because we are being pushed out.

I get the impression feminists like Christina Hoff Somers et al have been trying to save the movement. However it seems like they are not as popular with politicians and NGOs as the other sort.

[Neutraligon]

Those like me, yes, and for precisely the reason listed above. The group is less and less representing us. Many of us strongly disagree with the authoritarianism that those like Anita represent, and unfortunately that group seems to be more of the mainstream. I would say we are leaving because we are being pushed out.

I get the impression feminists like Christina Hoff Somers et al have been trying to save the movement. However it seems like they are not as popular with politicians and NGOs as the other sort.

That is because they are not as ... bombastic as those like Anita, and so they get less attention, both in the media and from politicians. If what you say is reasonable, why would the news or politicians pay any attention to it? It doesn't help that she isn't as good looking. The fact is that looks sell.

[Frenline Delpha]

Wait, do you think I am Costa? I haven't even been on that long. I know men can be feminists. Steve Shives exists, after all.

Steve Shives is ridiculous. It is sad to see what he has become considering he was once a skeptic. His dismissal of men being raped is rather disgusting.

Tell me about it.

Also, on the subject of rape culture, I would suggest this video: https://youtu.be/s5RhQgLd3tk

He uses sources, and backs up his evidence.

[New Edom]

I made an edit that is rather important here



So yeah, I agree with you. I have a big issue with where mainstream feminism is heading. I keep the word because in my own way I am trying to fight against it. Problem is I and many like me are not interested in going on news shows or making videos of ourselves.

I think you perfectly summed up one of my main concerns with the movement. And I think you are right to keep the word. Feminism has done a lot of good for the world and people like yourself, those who are truly interested in equality, have the right to claim that legacy, as opposed to those who have hijacked the movement.

I used to strongly support he movement until a few ears ago when there was this constant beating down of any dissenting views. There are a handful of issues that are acknowledged as fair to diverge upon, like trans issues, but they're not really ones that actually affect lobbying or funding or policy, and those are the chief issues. Rape culture plays a big role in that. It establishes the idea that there's a huge crisis and it needs to be dealt with, and so more funding, more studies, more resources are needed to fight this crisis.

[Yorkers]

Not in white neighborhoods, at least.

[New Edom]

I get the impression feminists like Christina Hoff Somers et al have been trying to save the movement. However it seems like they are not as popular with politicians and NGOs as the other sort.

That is because they are not as ... bombastic as those like Anita, and so they get less attention, both in the media and from politicians. If what you say is reasonable, why would the news or politicians pay any attention to it? It doesn't help that she isn't as good looking. The fact is that looks sell.

I think it's partly that, but it's also that they have a sexy story. CHS says that people need to be vigilant about their existing rights and practice citizenship and education thoughtfully. Anita S. says that women are in crisis, and everywhere you look there are rapists and molesters waiting to grab women! That's a heroic struggle. It's sexier. And it's marketing gold; it's like selling a cough medicine or beer, it will never not be needed as far as anyone can tell. So fighting stuff like tht is a huge ffort, you need to be stubborn and clever.

[Wallenburg]

Not in white neighborhoods, at least.

Edgy.

[MERIZoC]

Not in white neighborhoods, at least.

lol ok

Brock Turner is black now.

[New Owca]

Rape culture? Dont make me laugh! The idea of rape being seen as acceptable or even encouraged is preposterous. Maybe a thousand years ago one could argue there was a culture that trivilised rape and rape victims, but nowadays? No chance!

Oh, so the rape of men isn't trivialized?

No. I dont believe it is.

[Galloism]

It's the most recent report. No report has been released since the 2011 report.

That's quite unfortunate. I guess that might be another thing that Congress has prohibited the CDC from researching.

I'm not sure why. They released a 2010 and 2011, and I thought it was going to become a regular annual thing, but nothing ever happened after 2011.

(Of note, the 2011 report wasn't published until 2014)

[Neutraligon]

Oh, so the rape of men isn't trivialized?

No. I dont believe it is.

Really, so men aren't told they should be proud when a teacher rapes them? Men aren't told that they cannot be raped? Men aren't told that they are terrible because they where so weak as to be raped by a woman?

http://sourcefed.com/why-male-rape-is-hilarious/

[New Owca]

No. I dont believe it is.

Really, so men aren't told they should be proud when a teacher rapes them? Men aren't told that they cannot be raped? Men aren't told that they are terrible because they where so weak as to be raped by a woman?

http://sourcefed.com/why-male-rape-is-hilarious/

Male rape, like female rape, is trivialised by a few vocal individual wankers. I will concede that male rape is not seen as seriously as female rape, but thatw a statistical thing and we all know that statistics can be very, very faulty. I've read that only around 10% of rapes occur to a male and thats obviously a faulty stat - men may be disinclined to report it or lack evidence to prove what happened.
On the other hand, I wouldnt say that the majority of people trivialise rape, male or female. Some people might not get it - my mum once thought that men couldnt get erect unless they wanted it, for an anecdotal example, and I doubt shes the only one - but the act of rape itself is seen as very serious, whether it happens to men or women.

Might I ask where you live? It might help me understand the cultural differences between yourself and I.

[USS Monitor]

There are some unhealthy attitudes about sex floating around, but the people who rant about "rape culture" don't always do a good job of addressing it.

[The Jaclean Empire]

Completely false

[Neutraligon]

Really, so men aren't told they should be proud when a teacher rapes them? Men aren't told that they cannot be raped? Men aren't told that they are terrible because they where so weak as to be raped by a woman?

http://sourcefed.com/why-male-rape-is-hilarious/

Male rape, like female rape, is trivialised by a few vocal individual wankers. I will concede that male rape is not seen as seriously as female rape, but thatw a statistical thing and we all know that statistics can be very, very faulty. I've read that only around 10% of rapes occur to a male and thats obviously a faulty stat - men may be disinclined to report it or lack evidence to prove what happened.
On the other hand, I wouldnt say that the majority of people trivialise rape, male or female. Some people might not get it - my mum once thought that men couldnt get erect unless they wanted it, for an anecdotal example, and I doubt shes the only one - but the act of rape itself is seen as very serious, whether it happens to men or women.

Might I ask where you live? It might help me understand the cultural differences between yourself and I.

I am sorry but when I read about male rape many of the comments I see are about how the boy should be happy that his teacher raped him. We see rape trivialized all the time when it comes to prison rape. That video, the things he said, those comments are all to common. I live in Utah, and grew up in MD, to very different cultures...with the exact same problem.

[The Alexanderians]

Oh, so the rape of men isn't trivialized?

No. I dont believe it is.

I haven't laughed that hard in a long time. Thanks for making me laugh. at myself.