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Is there really a rape culture?

Yes and it's a very serious issue that is rooted in misogyny
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Yes but it's found in prisons not in mainstream society
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Maybe but it's not the best way to combat rape issues
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Maybe but it needs better analysis than is currently offered
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No, it's nonsense
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Postby New Edom » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:12 am

Is there really a rape culture?

Wikipedia says: "In feminist theory, rape culture is a setting in which rape is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality.The sociology of rape culture is studied academically by feminists. There is disagreement over what defines rape culture and as to whether any given societies meet the criteria to exhibit rape culture."

Now that's interesting. It's Wikipedia so we must follow up sources and take that stament with a grain of salt, but nevertheless, that starts with a rather startling claim and then goes on to say that the normalization of rape is not absolutely defined in a way that we ca readily identify it. Furthermore it is identified as a feminist theory--in short it is not defined as a philosophy, a science or a historical body of thought but as a feminist theory. If it were to exist, that would be pretty serious though, right? Let's take a look.

The website Women Against Violence Against Women quotes one woman saying "a complex set of beliefs that encourage male sexual aggression and supports violence against women. It is a society where violence is seen as sexy and sexuality as violent. In a rape culture, women perceive a continuum of threatened violence that ranges from sexual remarks to sexual touching to rape itself. A rape culture condones physical and emotional terrorism against women as the norm . . . In a rape culture both men and women assume that sexual violence is a fact of life, inevitable . . . However . . . much of what we accept as inevitable is in fact the expression of values and attitudes that can change. "

Bearing in mind that this is one of the first hits you can find in a searchon what is rape culture, and that this is the firts quote used, I'm going to go withthe idea that this is a prety popular definition within feminism. But I'm not done searching yet.

"quotes3 Rape culture includes jokes, TV, music, advertising, legal jargon, laws, words and imagery, that make violence against women and sexual coercion seem so normal that people believe that rape is inevitable. Rather than viewing the culture of rape as a problem to change, people in a rape culture think about the persistence of rape as “just the way things are.”" says another anti-rape culture website called Force.

Everyday Feminism has a 25 point list of outrages regarding rape culture, which are nearly all offenses against women. I mention this woman, woman woman thing because sometimes people try to debunk concerns about rape culture theory being all about women as saying that men are affecred negatively too. Men are barely mentioned on these sights which purport to educate our society about feminism and its concerns.

So clearly these two sites and a number of others define feminsm roughly the same way. But here's the question: is it real? Is what they're saying true? Does Western Civilization trivialize rape?

I would also like to narrow down this definition a bit more.

If feminists are so concerned about consent and about power dynamics and rape culture in part revolving around that, why won't they address the issue of women who abuse and engage in sexual misconduct without trivilizing that?

Why do feminists insist that any discussion of sexual morality on the parto f women is victim blaming rather than responsibility for ones own actions?

If feminists are concerned about the identification of culprits and preventing their being able to prey on victims, why do they reject practical analyses and solutions?

Let the discussion begin.
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Postby Dubnia » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:21 am

One of the best videos I've seen on the topic is this one. It discusses the oft-used 1-in-5/1-in-4 women sexually assaulted or abused at college. One of the most important conclusions from the video is that it shows that the study most regularly used to back up the statistic was not conducted in a way that could be construed to mean that 25% of women are raped or sexually assaulted in college. Rape culture is simply another way feminists can feel self-righteous about themselves against "evil" men. It why California now has "yes means yes" instead of "no means no" laws, demonizing almost all men. It's why Rolling Stone destroyed the lives of UVA students who have to live with the stigma of being convicted of rape in the court of public opinion despite never doing anything of that nature even remotely. Rape culture is a lie and a dangerous one. As long as it exists, real rapists can feel safer because when everyone cries rape, the real cases get lost in the white noise.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:24 am

Yes, in the sense that their are cultural attitudes/groups that condone, trivialize, or turn a blind eye toward rape.

However, they are not the entirety of our current culture, and I'm not convinced they're the majority, though that may be just idealism/optimism speaking.

So, bottom line, rape culture exists, but some people overestimate its prominence somewhat.
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Postby Alvecia » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:26 am

The Romulan Republic wrote:Yes, in the sense that their are cultural attitudes/groups that condone, trivialize, or turn a blind eye toward rape.

However, they are not the entirety of our current culture, and I'm not convinced they're the majority, though that may be just idealism/optimism speaking.

So, bottom line, rape culture exists, but some people overestimate its prominence somewhat.

On that note I think it can also vary depending on where the culture is.
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Postby Socialist Tera » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:31 am

I'd like to think it's nonsense but there is too much data to suggest otherwise, the problem is that all the data is done on females and we need to look at males as well, plus the social implications on females. We need to more data for prevention and action rather than putting our heads in the sand about it.

Relevant video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekq3OLRz1ls
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Not in the West. /thread
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:33 am

Aelex wrote:Not in the West. /thread


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Postby Socialist Tera » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:34 am

Dubnia wrote:One of the best videos I've seen on the topic is this one. It discusses the oft-used 1-in-5/1-in-4 women sexually assaulted or abused at college. One of the most important conclusions from the video is that it shows that the study most regularly used to back up the statistic was not conducted in a way that could be construed to mean that 25% of women are raped or sexually assaulted in college. Rape culture is simply another way feminists can feel self-righteous about themselves against "evil" men. It why California now has "yes means yes" instead of "no means no" laws, demonizing almost all men. It's why Rolling Stone destroyed the lives of UVA students who have to live with the stigma of being convicted of rape in the court of public opinion despite never doing anything of that nature even remotely. Rape culture is a lie and a dangerous one. As long as it exists, real rapists can feel safer because when everyone cries rape, the real cases get lost in the white noise.

Sorry but I find that video a bit short. I think that shorter video are not methodologically sound, for example Sargon does not read sources correctly.
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Postby Jumalariik » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:36 am

There is no rape culture. It's a myth in the West. In the rest of the world though........
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Postby Oskary » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:37 am

>Rape Culture
>The West
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Postby Hirota » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:37 am

If rape culture is defined as "which rape is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality." as per the OP, then I would argue the only rape culture which is permitted in western culture is that of women against boys and men.

While the incident of female on male rape may be an occurrence that happens less often, when it does the men often have no legal recourse.

If thats not the normalisation of rape due to their gender I don't know what is.
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I don't believe so, at least in the West on any large scale.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:Yes, in the sense that their are cultural attitudes/groups that condone, trivialize, or turn a blind eye toward rape.

However, they are not the entirety of our current culture, and I'm not convinced they're the majority, though that may be just idealism/optimism speaking.

So, bottom line, rape culture exists, but some people overestimate its prominence somewhat.

What "cultural attitudes" are there that trivialize rape? Though this is anecdotal, do you know any man that would not be outraged by actual rape? Why isn't rape more common if nobody cares whether or not it happens. Why have two of the most vocal celebrities about rape culture, Lena Dunham and Amy Schumer, both of whom claim to have been raped (it's more likely that Dunham actually raped her sister; she discusses it in Not That Kind of Girl), never filed a police report, and only talk about it on twitter, and actively try to prevent actual rape victims from going to the only people who can make things right, the police, and instead suggest ranting about it on twitter? Before cultural attitudes about punishment for crimes changed, people were often killed for committing such a heinous act. Its the same feminists who actively suggest that there is a pervasive "rape culture" in the United States that also suggest that we should get rid of the death penalty and harsher sentences. Meanwhile, serious men and women debate [url=abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=3985832]the merits of castrating rapists[/url] to prevent them from ever such a reprehensible crime again.
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Postby Jumalariik » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:40 am

Oskary wrote:>Rape Culture
>The West
>Pick one.

:lol: so true
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:43 am

Jumalariik wrote:
Oskary wrote:>Rape Culture
>The West
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:lol: so true


Yes, pat yourself on the back about how superior and perfect your culture is. :roll:

Oh, yes, their are a great many people in the West who think that rape is okay. And no, they're not all immigrants. The law, thankfully, does not generally agree with them (though individual cops and judges may), but that doesn't mean that they aren't their.
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Socialist Tera wrote:
Dubnia wrote:One of the best videos I've seen on the topic is this one. It discusses the oft-used 1-in-5/1-in-4 women sexually assaulted or abused at college. One of the most important conclusions from the video is that it shows that the study most regularly used to back up the statistic was not conducted in a way that could be construed to mean that 25% of women are raped or sexually assaulted in college. Rape culture is simply another way feminists can feel self-righteous about themselves against "evil" men. It why California now has "yes means yes" instead of "no means no" laws, demonizing almost all men. It's why Rolling Stone destroyed the lives of UVA students who have to live with the stigma of being convicted of rape in the court of public opinion despite never doing anything of that nature even remotely. Rape culture is a lie and a dangerous one. As long as it exists, real rapists can feel safer because when everyone cries rape, the real cases get lost in the white noise.

Sorry but I find that video a bit short. I think that shorter video are not methodologically sound, for example Sargon does not read sources correctly.

What is 'not methodologically sound' about the video? Whether he can't read a study properly is important, however, his premise was correct nonetheless and that is the most important of all. This isn't a video by Sargon.
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Socialist Tera wrote:I'd like to think it's nonsense but there is too much data to suggest otherwise, the problem is that all the data is done on females and we need to look at males as well, plus the social implications on females. We need to more data for prevention and action rather than putting our heads in the sand about it.

Relevant video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekq3OLRz1ls


You need to edit that so that we can see that video.
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Postby Greater Narkova » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:49 am

Actually this is more true in midevel and early renaissance Europe, than it is today

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Socialist Tera wrote:
Dubnia wrote:One of the best videos I've seen on the topic is this one. It discusses the oft-used 1-in-5/1-in-4 women sexually assaulted or abused at college. One of the most important conclusions from the video is that it shows that the study most regularly used to back up the statistic was not conducted in a way that could be construed to mean that 25% of women are raped or sexually assaulted in college. Rape culture is simply another way feminists can feel self-righteous about themselves against "evil" men. It why California now has "yes means yes" instead of "no means no" laws, demonizing almost all men. It's why Rolling Stone destroyed the lives of UVA students who have to live with the stigma of being convicted of rape in the court of public opinion despite never doing anything of that nature even remotely. Rape culture is a lie and a dangerous one. As long as it exists, real rapists can feel safer because when everyone cries rape, the real cases get lost in the white noise.

Sorry but I find that video a bit short. I think that shorter video are not methodologically sound, for example Sargon does not read sources correctly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvkZ9JKGoSY
https://pjmedia.com/blog/who-is-really- ... e-culture/
https://pjmedia.com/blog/the-stanford-rape-trial/
https://pjmedia.com/blog/when-a-culture-unmans-itself/
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Dubnia wrote:One of the best videos I've seen on the topic is this one. It discusses the oft-used 1-in-5/1-in-4 women sexually assaulted or abused at college. One of the most important conclusions from the video is that it shows that the study most regularly used to back up the statistic was not conducted in a way that could be construed to mean that 25% of women are raped or sexually assaulted in college. Rape culture is simply another way feminists can feel self-righteous about themselves against "evil" men. It why California now has "yes means yes" instead of "no means no" laws, demonizing almost all men. It's why Rolling Stone destroyed the lives of UVA students who have to live with the stigma of being convicted of rape in the court of public opinion despite never doing anything of that nature even remotely. Rape culture is a lie and a dangerous one. As long as it exists, real rapists can feel safer because when everyone cries rape, the real cases get lost in the white noise.


Your last line is my main concern too. I think RAINN's recommendations to the White House Task Force wer spot on--improve police procedures, community awareness, work with profilers on sex predators and improve potential victi responsiveness to danger. So by insisting on rape culture being the main culprit, practical solutions to rape (which arguably could be used regardless of statistics) are pushed aside in favour of ideologically based culture conflict.
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Greater Narkova wrote:Actually this is more true in midevel and early renaissance Europe, than it is today


Well arguably it sucked for everyone but the top 1% anyway. I read a scathing indictment of the apprenticeship system in England from the Renaissance that made Oliver Twist look like "Teletubbies".
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Postby New Edom » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:58 am

Hirota wrote:If rape culture is defined as "which rape is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality." as per the OP, then I would argue the only rape culture which is permitted in western culture is that of women against boys and men.

While the incident of female on male rape may be an occurrence that happens less often, when it does the men often have no legal recourse.

If thats not the normalisation of rape due to their gender I don't know what is.


So then as I said in the OP--why does feminism, as a movement, resist focusing on this issue? Why as well do they not focus on things like abuse and sexual assault in lesbian relationships, or others who are vulnerable to women?

I suspect part of the problem here is that rape culture is an outgrowth of patriarchy theory, and patriarchy theory basically states that all our human problems come from patriarchy--male dominated society. Without that analysis mainstream feminism's purpose and drive falls apart in the West, since it's predicated on the idea that women and girls are victims of men and boys.
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Postby Socialist Federative Slavia » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:58 am

Not so much trivializing rape, or condoning it, as much as considering it normal for men to want to have sex with lots of women and not give a damn about the women`s consent. Even considering such boorishness "manly"
So, not quite, but there is a grain of truth to it certainly.
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