Right Wing Discussion Thread the Third

[Diopolis]

In other words, you're just a social liberal who hasn't grown out of the "I should rule the world unchallenged" phase?

Believe it or not, I used to be a staunch conservative. Then, I educated myself and looked at the facts and logic. Now, here we are. I used to be just your every day traditional Bonapartist. Now, I'm not. I'm sortof but not quite.

I've heard your logic and reason spiel before.

[Aelex]

>Roman Empire
>Less Influential Than Napoleon

You wot m8?

:facepalm:
Do you even read mate? I said Hadrien influenced less the world than Napoléon. You can argue that if you want but you would need to use really specious arguments to do so.

[The V O I D]

I believe it meant 'political' conservatism; hence why I emphasize it is replaced by social liberalism.

Simple. Eliminate any rights determined to be political - the right to vote, the right to free press [state-controlled press is a must], the right to free speech is regulated. No political parties; everyone must conform to State ideology and teaching. Also, eliminate 'rights' which aren't necessary for one to live a good life. Guns belong in the hands of law enforcement and military alone. Anyone who illegally has a weapon is a dissident, and if they don't hand it over, they'll be arrested and detained. Eliminate a few other rights here and there that are mostly political or not social, at least.

Then, by virtue of the State's constitution or founding document, ensure the following rights are assured and enforced: the right to marry for any man or woman of consenting age regardless of sexuality, sex, or gender. The right for anyone to identify as they wish, and be identified and acknowledged as such by the State. The right to not be turned down service regardless of race, sex, gender, sexuality, or any other causes. I could go on but I think you get the gist.

Wow. I'm not sure I would describe your ideology as being "Bonapartiste" but well, at least now I know a little more about your ideas.

Someone pointed me in Bonapartism's direction, and it is very similar to what type of State I want; just replace the conservatism (political conservatism, as far as I can tell) with social liberalism. Or add social liberalism since authoritarian politics are technically politically ultraconservative, I suppose.

[The V O I D]

Believe it or not, I used to be a staunch conservative. Then, I educated myself and looked at the facts and logic. Now, here we are. I used to be just your every day traditional Bonapartist. Now, I'm not. I'm sortof but not quite.

I've heard your logic and reason spiel before.

It did wonders for me. Not quite sure why it doesn't do wonders for others. Hence why I believe that the State should be as I have described it.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Believe it or not, I used to be a staunch conservative. Then, I educated myself and looked at the facts and logic. Now, here we are. I used to be just your every day traditional Bonapartist. Now, I'm not. I'm sortof but not quite.

I've heard your logic and reason spiel before.

Logic and reason. Totally worse than fairy dust and fantasy sky-men, amirite?

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

>Roman Empire
>Less Influential Than Napoleon

You wot m8?

:facepalm:
Do you even read mate? I said Hadrien influenced less the world than Napoléon. You can argue that if you want but you would need to use really specious arguments to do so.

Hadrian was the Emperor of Rome, meaning he had an awful lot of influence on the world being the leader of Rome.

[Diopolis]

I've heard your logic and reason spiel before.

It did wonders for me. Not quite sure why it doesn't do wonders for others. Hence why I believe that the State should be as I have described it.

That's exactly the same grounds for every other system, at some level.

[Dagashi]

What? You mean the countless child emperors, upstarts generals and all other joyful kinds of puppets that danced in the hands of the Army for several centuries?

Augustus Caesar, Marcus Aurelius, Trajan, Hadrian, so on and so forth. All better than your artillery officer wanna be Caesar.

The artillery officer who went from a poor Corsican to achieving massive military victories and putting in place one of the most influential legal codes in the world? I mean, you're really obsessed with LGBT rights, I thought you'd be thirsty for the guy who legalized homosexuality.

As Hegel said after seeing Napoleon in-person, "The Emperor - this world-soul - I saw riding through the city to review his troops. It is indeed a wonderful feeling to see such an individual who, here concentrated into a single point, reaches out over the world and dominates it."

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Augustus Caesar, Marcus Aurelius, Trajan, Hadrian, so on and so forth. All better than your artillery officer wanna be Caesar.

The artillery officer who went from a poor Corsican to achieving massive military victories and putting in place one of the most influential legal codes in the world? I mean, you're really obsessed with LGBT rights, I thought you'd be thirsty for the guy who legalized homosexuality.

As Hegel said after seeing Napoleon in-person, "The Emperor - this world-soul - I saw riding through the city to review his troops. It is indeed a wonderful feeling to see such an individual who, here concentrated into a single point, reaches out over the world and dominates it."

I just have an irrational hatred of France XD

In reality I kinda like Napoleon

[Great Kauthar]

Ah yes. The BMJ, NCBI and WSJ, NCJRS and the university of michigan are all biased MRA sources.

Anyway, is it still nationalist or is it race mixing if two people of the same skin colour but different country went out

Who gives a crap? If they're the same faith it shouldn't matter.
If the question is actually important, somehow(let's just assume Kauth is asking the internets for advice about his personal life), then it depends on all sorts of complicated things like the countries in question and whatnot.

it was a general question based off of recent events in my personal life, I'll keep it at that

[Aelex]

Hadrian was the Emperor of Rome, meaning he had an awful lot of influence on the world being the leader of Rome.

>"Martin Van Buren didn't had nearly as much influence in the world as Napoléon"
>"Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? He was an U.S president which mean that he had a lot of Influence on the world!"

No. Just no.

We're talking about Hadrien the man versus Napoléon the man and not their respective Empire took as a whole.
If we're comparing the two then, yes. Napoléon did influenced the world way more and for way longer than Hadrien did.

[The V O I D]

It did wonders for me. Not quite sure why it doesn't do wonders for others. Hence why I believe that the State should be as I have described it.

That's exactly the same grounds for every other system, at some level.

Logic and reason are the grounds for a Secular, Humanist State of almost any kind. I cannot think of a logical or reasonable thing that is found in the Bible, a 2,000 year old book that was written by people who would've thought a cell phone was magic or godly, that would make me think it should be law and that we should live according to some old religion that makes zero sense most of the time.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Who gives a crap? If they're the same faith it shouldn't matter.
If the question is actually important, somehow(let's just assume Kauth is asking the internets for advice about his personal life), then it depends on all sorts of complicated things like the countries in question and whatnot.

it was a general question based off of recent events in my personal life, I'll keep it at that

Ok then lemme give you some advice, fam. IF YOU LOVE HER LET IT FUCKING HAPPEN

[Zottistan]

>Roman Empire
>Less Influential Than Napoleon

You wot m8?

:facepalm:
Do you even read mate? I said Hadrien influenced less the world than Napoléon. You can argue that if you want but you would need to use really specious arguments to do so.

...well does Napoleon have a wall?

:facepalm:
Do you even read mate? I said Hadrien influenced less the world than Napoléon. You can argue that if you want but you would need to use really specious arguments to do so.

Hadrian was the Emperor of Rome, meaning he had an awful lot of influence on the world being the leader of Rome.

Hadrian has probably had less influence on the world today than Napoleon, although Napoleon has a significant time advantage. Napoleon has had nowhere near as much influence on western culture than Julius or Augustus, though.

[Aelex]

I just have an irrational hatred of France XD

Don't worry, it's normal to hate what is too superior to you.

In reality I kinda like Napoleon

That however isn't. The man was an A class asshole.

[Zottistan]

That's exactly the same grounds for every other system, at some level.

Logic and reason are the grounds for a Secular, Humanist State of almost any kind. I cannot think of a logical or reasonable thing that is found in the Bible, a 2,000 year old book that was written by people who would've thought a cell phone was magic or godly, that would make me think it should be law and that we should live according to some old religion that makes zero sense most of the time.

Everyone thinks their views are the most logical and in most cases they're obviously wrong. So if your whole selling point is "moar logickal" you're not going to get far.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

The French have given the world the greatest king (William the Conqueror), the greatest maiden (Joan of Arc), the greatest emperor (Napoleon Bonaparte), and the greatest socialist (Georges Sorel). Can't help but be something of a Francophile.

I don't feel like being a virgin is something you pin your greatness on. Besides, she's not Mary so you're automatically wrong if you're a Christian.

Cyrus was a greater king than William (So was Victoria if you count queens, which you should), and Genghis Khan was a greater Emperor than Napoleonhonhon (So was Victoria if you count empresses of India, which you should).

And greatest socialist? Not that much of an achievement.

[Dagashi]

I just have an irrational hatred of France XD

Don't worry, it's normal to hate what is too superior to you.

In reality I kinda like Napoleon

That however isn't. The man was an A class asshole.

Compared to some of the other world leaders at the time?

[The V O I D]

Logic and reason are the grounds for a Secular, Humanist State of almost any kind. I cannot think of a logical or reasonable thing that is found in the Bible, a 2,000 year old book that was written by people who would've thought a cell phone was magic or godly, that would make me think it should be law and that we should live according to some old religion that makes zero sense most of the time.

Everyone thinks their views are the most logical and in most cases they're obviously wrong. So if your whole selling point is "moar logickal" you're not going to get far.

The reason I say mine is more logical and reasonable is because I don't justify my position with magic sky fairies and their omnipotent bearded wizard guy who likes to play magician and has a god-complex.

[Aelex]

Compared to some of the other world leaders at the time?

No, as a whole. I personally have quite a distaste for his personality even tho I acknowledge his achievements.

[Zottistan]

Everyone thinks their views are the most logical and in most cases they're obviously wrong. So if your whole selling point is "moar logickal" you're not going to get far.

The reason I say mine is more logical and reasonable is because I don't justify my position with magic sky fairies and their omnipotent bearded wizard guy who likes to play magician and has a god-complex.

Neither do communists, ancaps, fascists or the vast majority of other political ideologies.

[Dagashi]

Compared to some of the other world leaders at the time?

No, as a whole. I personally have quite a distaste for his personality even tho I acknowledge his achievements.

His treatment of one of his brothers (the king of Holland) was appalling, but other than that, I can't really recall anything that he had that showed particularly bad character. I don't think he was a saint, he was as selfish as any other ruler, but I found him more sympathetic than anything.

[Benuty]

Human beings aren't terrible just insignificant on a grand scale of cosmic predetermism.

You are a very strange man.

Nothing strange about the reality of our universe.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I just have an irrational hatred of France XD

Don't worry, it's normal to hate what is too superior to you.

That explains why French hate Americans.

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[The V O I D]

The reason I say mine is more logical and reasonable is because I don't justify my position with magic sky fairies and their omnipotent bearded wizard guy who likes to play magician and has a god-complex.

Neither do communists, ancaps, fascists or the vast majority of other political ideologies.

Yes, but at least with those I can see how someone could logically and reasonably conclude that their position and governmental system might be justified.