Right Wing Discussion Thread the Third

[Old Tyrannia]

I'm fond of rhine capitalism. I support distributist economics in theory, but the implementation of distributist economics requires a "bottom-up" effort and significant cultural shift. I don't foresee a transition to distributism anytime soon; in the meantime, I'd like to see the UK implement elements of the German social market model. I'm not so much socially liberal as I am opposed to government interference in people's personal lives, but other than that I would also give you a gold star of approval.

Ho there, friend. Could you explain distributist economics to me?

Simply put, a distributist economy is an economy in which ownership of the means of production is distributed as widely between members of society as possible, maximising the number of people who own their own property and possess the capacity to produce their own capital. It advocates the replacement of large corporations with smaller businesses owned by sole traders or partnerships. Such an economic model would be more sustainable and reduce wealth gaps between the richest and poorest individuals in society, whilst preserving the concept of private property and the competitive nature of capitalism that makes it so efficient.

[The Liberated Territories]

I think if you abolished chartering corporations, you would achieve your distributist ideals quicker, though I am skeptical of government enforcement of distributism being necessary.

[The East Marches]

To channel my inner East Marches, Vlad was a good guy who did literally nothing wrong. He was a champion of the people against the nobility and of national consciousness against the religious empire encroaching on his people's land.

I'm The East Marches and I approve of this characterization of my views.

[Great Kauthar]

As for UNM's autocrat thing, here is mine

0. Myself (my personal views fit my ideal society so I won't count myself obviously)
1. Diopolis - Kingdom of Heaven on earth
2. Kievan Peoples/East Marches/Alexanderians - i agree with them on a bit
3. Minzerland - My personal views (my ideal society) and my political views are different, Minzerland is more in line with my personal views from what I've seen

honourable mentions: UNM, Ramenia* and the Grey Wolf - UNM's christian socialism seems a tolerable left-wing ideology, as tolerable as Strasserism, and the Grey Wolf I haven't seen a lot recently but they seem aight. And Ramenia* I seem to recall being a right wing libertarian but honestly I can't remember (ill edit out if wrong xd)

the worst

1. Jochistan - accuses me of being a neo-nazi for opposing Islam, at least it would be right-wing I guess
2. RIG/Dagashi - Dagashi I'm not too sure but I put them with RIG because they're not as bad as number 3, too morally left-wing
3. Pantuxia/Benuty/VOID/ - please no

Let's rank people in the thread based on whether you'd want them to be an autocrat of a country with reasons why.

1. Dio - Catholicism, distributism, government based on subsidiarity, feudalism, good social values
2. Jochizyd - Just the right kind of Muslim (not radical, not liberal), steppe nomads, tribalism
3. UMN - Glorious Stalinist Russia, based Orthodoxy
4. RIG - I want to watch the world burn
5. Kauthar - Can't enforce his ideologies in his own domain, very opposed, but keeps people united
6. Everyone else who's ideologies I dont know that well

Oh believe me. I would keep them united *helicopters hover in the distance*

[Great Kauthar]

Ho there, friend. Could you explain distributist economics to me?

Simply put, a distributist economy is an economy in which ownership of the means of production is distributed as widely between members of society as possible, maximising the number of people who own their own property and possess the capacity to produce their own capital. It advocates the replacement of large corporations with smaller businesses owned by sole traders or partnerships. Such an economic model would be more sustainable and reduce wealth gaps between the richest and poorest individuals in society, whilst preserving the concept of private property and the competitive nature of capitalism that makes it so efficient.

distributism > everything else
to be honest I really think a distributist economy could work. In Scotland there are a lot of socialists, but most of them don't completely disagree with the free market. From what I perceive of it distributism takes good parts from both sides (property rights & capitalism from the right, distributing the means of production as widely as possible from the left). Idk why it's such a minor economic ideology.

[Jumalariik]

Or SSPV

SSPV is confined to North America.

:/

Lol that's probably a good thing.

[Jumalariik]

Ho there, friend. Could you explain distributist economics to me?

Simply put, a distributist economy is an economy in which ownership of the means of production is distributed as widely between members of society as possible, maximising the number of people who own their own property and possess the capacity to produce their own capital. It advocates the replacement of large corporations with smaller businesses owned by sole traders or partnerships. Such an economic model would be more sustainable and reduce wealth gaps between the richest and poorest individuals in society, whilst preserving the concept of private property and the competitive nature of capitalism that makes it so efficient.

It really is the best possible system. In general, Catholic Social Teaching is excellent.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

My list:

1. Me - Duh. So much fun

2. VOID - Seems like a cool ass guy. Not so sure about his economic ideology. But social issues are nice. And besides, I get my job at the 'Bureau of Ideological Compliance'

3. Pantuxia - Commie anarchist. Whats not to like?

4. The East Marches - Don't agree with him much but at least he's a libertarian who I don't think would fuck up my shit. Also pretty hilarious n' chill.

5. Grinstead - CHAOS! HAHAHAHAHAHA!

6. Dushan - Eerily reminds me as a rightist version of Mr. J. Rightist part's shit but, I mean, PUDDIN!

A few HELL TO THE NO'S:

Fahrog - Sorry, don't wanna get shot.

Dio - Sorry, don't wanna get shot burned a the stake

UMN - Something tells me he'd make Arkham inescapable and shove me in it again.

Kauthar - Rather not get thrown out of a helicopter.

[Diopolis]

1: OT- distributist, knowledgeable about political theory and reactionism, and probably one of the better adjusted thread posters.
2: Ramenia- a distributist, and his brand of libertarianism should be tolerable.
3: UMN- I could see his form of Christian socialism working fairly well in some regards. He actually has a plan for re-christianizing society, which is nice.
4: East Marches- despite the difference of religion, he's not too bad.
5: Fahrong- too authoritarian and nationalist for my tastes, but a sane perennial traditionalist would be interesting.
6: Great Kauthar- tends to generally get a bit more things right than wrong. A bit too authoritarian for my tastes.
7: Jochizd- I'd much rather pay jizya than watch my children be taken away and indoctrinated into some left-wing weirdness, or get shot for owning property.
8: Pantuxia- anarchism means they leave us alone, right?
9: RIG- would probably try to stamp out my ilk.

[United Marxist Nations]

Ranked from best to worst.

1 - The Liberated Territories - He seems to be a pretty decent guy, and I agree with him on some of his views. Plus, being a libertarian, he wouldn't be too authoritarian.
2 - Minzerland - Once again, same reason as TLT. Moderate, would probably allow some civil and political rights.
3 - RIG - She's claims to be a liberal, so I probably wouldn't mind.
4 - Llamalandia - I agree with some of his viewpoints, such as questioning the government. He's a libertarian, so he'd probably allow some civil rights.
5 - Dagashi Shojo - He's a syndicalist, which I support. He also seems to be fairly moderate.
6 - UNM - A bit too much of a tankie for me, but eh.
7 - Germanic Templars - Seems a little too right-leaning for my taste, but I wouldn't mind.
8 - Fahrong - We disagree on most things, but he isn't terrible.
9 - Jochizyd Republic - Way too religious, would probably be very authoritarian when it comes to civil rights.
And finally...
10 - Diopolis - Seems way to conservative, wants men to "court" women. Doesn't align with my progressive ideology.

Bit of a nitpick, but Dagashi is a she, and I am UMN, not UNM. U N M is an old puppet I have though.

[United Marxist Nations]

2. VOID - Seems like a cool ass guy. Not so sure about his economic ideology. But social issues are nice. And besides, I get my job at the 'Bureau of Ideological Compliance'

"I don't want people to force morals on me, but people who I disagree with should have their ideology outlawed!"

[Ashkera]

Let's rank people in the thread based on whether you'd want them to be an autocrat of a country with reasons why.

Ok.
1. Ashkera- their pragmatic ideas are really cool imo.

This is now one of my favorite compliments, after that time I was told I was like a Jedi master.

As for the others, I believe the reason they did not rank me is because they fear the dawn of the North American Technate.

If elected as dictator of North America, I promise to use entire cities for economic experiments, pay people to practice eugenics, make organ donation compulsory unless the subject pays an offset tax, and invest one hundred billion dollars into anti-aging and human augmentation research. I will abolish the minimum wage and replace it with direct wage subsidies, make the standing of government bureaucrats depend on betting in prediction markets, finance government projects through a competitive grant system that behaves more like a market than a business, and build an electromagnetically-assisted rocket sled launch system to give the North American Union the most cost-effective space launch program in the world. Workplace visas will be sold on an auction system. Schoolchildren will be paid money-like points redeemable at cooperating retailers for school performance. Global warming commitments will be met through a new generation of nuclear reactors. Meat will be grown as isolated muscle tissue in massive factories. And polygamous marriage will be legal, but only for gay people.

America will not only be great, but the greatest it has ever been. It will be glorious.

[Great Kauthar]

My list:

1. Me - Duh. So much fun

2. VOID - Seems like a cool ass guy. Not so sure about his economic ideology. But social issues are nice. And besides, I get my job at the 'Bureau of Ideological Compliance'

3. Pantuxia - Commie anarchist. Whats not to like?

4. The East Marches - Don't agree with him much but at least he's a libertarian who I don't think would fuck up my shit. Also pretty hilarious n' chill.

5. Grinstead - CHAOS! HAHAHAHAHAHA!

6. Dushan - Eerily reminds me as a rightist version of Mr. J. Rightist part's shit but, I mean, PUDDIN! :P

A few HELL TO THE NO'S:

Fahrog - Sorry, don't wanna get shot.

Dio - Sorry, don't wanna get shot burned a the stake

UMN - Something tells me he'd make Arkham inescapable and shove me in it again.

Kauthar - Rather not get thrown out of a helicopter.

Trust me, it's fun if you close your eyes :p

Ok.
1. Ashkera- their pragmatic ideas are really cool imo.

This is now one of my favorite compliments, after that time I was told I was like a Jedi master.

As for the others, I believe the reason they did not rank me is because they fear the dawn of the North American Technate.

If elected as dictator of North America, I promise to use entire cities for economic experiments, pay people to practice eugenics, make organ donation compulsory unless the subject pays an offset tax, and invest one hundred billion dollars into anti-aging and human augmentation research. I will abolish the minimum wage and replace it with direct wage subsidies, make the standing of government bureaucrats depend on betting in prediction markets, finance government projects through a competitive grant system that behaves more like a market than a business, and build an electromagnetically-assisted rocket sled launch system to give the North American Union the most cost-effective space launch program in the world. Workplace visas will be sold on an auction system. Schoolchildren will be paid money-like points redeemable at cooperating retailers for school performance. Global warming commitments will be met through a new generation of nuclear reactors. Meat will be grown as isolated muscle tissue in massive factories. And polygamous marriage will be legal, but only for gay people.

America will not only be great, but the greatest it has ever been. It will be glorious.

I haven't talked to many technocrats, the only one I remember I have was a eusocialist technocrat and eh... ye

[Ashkera]

I haven't talked to many technocrats, the only one I remember I have was a eusocialist technocrat and eh... ye

The original Technocracy movement was not that spectacular, including their desire to abolish the price mechanism and switch to an energy-based economy - although it's far from the dumbest economic idea I've ever heard.

I think the real reason I didn't get ranked is that most posters in this thread don't see me as different enough from the status quo. Even if I do all those things I just suggested, none of them does something like turn the economy socialist or switch the government type to Theocracy. It's a radical departure from current governance in a way that would generate plenty of protesters, but not in a way that's actually all that threatening.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

2. VOID - Seems like a cool ass guy. Not so sure about his economic ideology. But social issues are nice. And besides, I get my job at the 'Bureau of Ideological Compliance'

"I don't want people to force morals on me, but people who I disagree with should have their ideology outlawed!"

Since when is allowing something to happen forcing anything on you?

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

My list:

1. Me - Duh. So much fun

2. VOID - Seems like a cool ass guy. Not so sure about his economic ideology. But social issues are nice. And besides, I get my job at the 'Bureau of Ideological Compliance'

3. Pantuxia - Commie anarchist. Whats not to like?

4. The East Marches - Don't agree with him much but at least he's a libertarian who I don't think would fuck up my shit. Also pretty hilarious n' chill.

5. Grinstead - CHAOS! HAHAHAHAHAHA!

6. Dushan - Eerily reminds me as a rightist version of Mr. J. Rightist part's shit but, I mean, PUDDIN!

A few HELL TO THE NO'S:

Fahrog - Sorry, don't wanna get shot.

Dio - Sorry, don't wanna get shot burned a the stake

UMN - Something tells me he'd make Arkham inescapable and shove me in it again.

Kauthar - Rather not get thrown out of a helicopter.

Trust me, it's fun if you close your eyes

Jokes on you, Kauthie! Not only are helicopters on my side, but I tend to survive fallin from 'em!

[Living Stones]

Maybe RIG has bitten the bullet finally on the baiting I have been doing of them, and just decided that there is nothing wrong with anything.

Of course, I doubt this, because it would mean that they can't get all prissy about pronouns.

Remember, Expect nothing from people so you can't be disappoint when they inevitably fail you.

Words to live by.

Let's rank people in the thread based on whether you'd want them to be an autocrat of a country with reasons why.

1. Old Tyrannia; both traditional & tolerant. What's not to love?
2. Benuty; ignoring, for a moment, all that spoopy Slaanesh stuff, the contradiction of having a "Tolstoyist & Anarcho-Religious Pacifist" as autocrat would be fantastic, like a 21st century Pennsylvania w/ Benuty as ol' Billy Penn.
3. The East Marches; (seems to be) a born leader who will Do What Needs to Be Done w/o fear or favoritism.
4. The Kievan People; also will Do What Needs to be Done. Despite being a Nationalist, would probably actually be more moderate than many on this thread, & even if he isn't, I figure getting shot for treason is not as bad as getting burned at he stake for heresy.
5. Joch; as Diopolis said, "I'd much rather pay jizya than watch my children be taken away and indoctrinated into some left-wing weirdness".
6. VOID; morally terrible, yes, but still relatively tolerant.
7. UMN; as much as I respect his views & sympathize w/ him IRL, I'd imagine I'd have quite a few run ins w/ the law under his rule, though perhaps I've misinterpreted his views on religion & society.

Honourable mentions: Diopolis would make a great heresy-hunter, & Fahrong a great military leader, though I'd be utterly terrified of living in any country where either of them have power.

As for the rest, there are probably several others who's rule I wouldn't mind living under (Grey Wolf, Minzerland, & Ashkera come to mind, to name a few), I can't be bothered to add more people to the list.

I rank myself dead last; my emotional instability & bizarre religious beliefs disqualify me for any position of governmental authority. Just about anyone on this thread would be better suited as an autocrat than I (even you, RIG); not everyone is cut out for politics.

[Aelex]

No one want me as their Empereur? Hooo...
Guess exploiting minorities in far-away lands for the Glory and profit of the Fatherland just isn't popular anymore... :/

[United Marxist Nations]

"I don't want people to force morals on me, but people who I disagree with should have their ideology outlawed!"

Since when is allowing something to happen forcing anything on you?

VOID explicitly said that religions that disagree with liberalism should be outlawed.

[Geilinor]

Simply put, a distributist economy is an economy in which ownership of the means of production is distributed as widely between members of society as possible, maximising the number of people who own their own property and possess the capacity to produce their own capital. It advocates the replacement of large corporations with smaller businesses owned by sole traders or partnerships. Such an economic model would be more sustainable and reduce wealth gaps between the richest and poorest individuals in society, whilst preserving the concept of private property and the competitive nature of capitalism that makes it so efficient.

distributism > everything else
to be honest I really think a distributist economy could work. In Scotland there are a lot of socialists, but most of them don't completely disagree with the free market. From what I perceive of it distributism takes good parts from both sides (property rights & capitalism from the right, distributing the means of production as widely as possible from the left). Idk why it's such a minor economic ideology.

Most ideologies feature some distributist elements. The general idea of reducing wealth gaps while preserving property rights and capitalism is not controversial.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Since when is allowing something to happen forcing anything on you?

VOID explicitly said that religions that disagree with liberalism should be outlawed.

Eh. Don't care. Get my Bureau of Ideological Compliance enforcer job.

[Geilinor]

I'm still shocked by this thread. What happened to the democratic, non-ultra reactionary center-right?

[Uxupox]

I'm still shocked by this thread. What happened to the democratic, non-ultra reactionary center-right?

Here I am.

[The East Marches]

I'm still shocked by this thread. What happened to the democratic, non-ultra reactionary center-right?

You may find more people like that in the Libertarian thread or the US Politics.

[Aelex]

I'm still shocked by this thread. What happened to the democratic, non-ultra reactionary center-right?

Center-left, here.