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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:07 pm
by Conserative Morality
Napkiraly wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Roman Republic/Empire - parent of Western civilization - right wing, or left?

By modern standards? Right-wing.

Not that that is a bad thing.

I can see how it could be either, which is why I'm interested in hearing opinions from the good folks on here.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:10 pm
by The Empire of Pretantia
New confederate ramenia wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Right wing.

Hierarchical, conservative, religious, and white jkjk.

I'm a robotist.

I'm not sure what that is, but I'll rank you above RIG

Robotism is an ideology of my creation. It's robots literally solving every problem for us.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:10 pm
by Eisarn-Ara
Dushan wrote:
Do you happen to know "King of Dragon Pass"? If not get it from GoG, you might like it. : D


If what I've found out about the game is correct, I very well might. Colonization & Grand Strategy Games are like cocaine to me.

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It might be a bucket of fun.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:11 pm
by United Marxist Nations
I appreciate all the votes for Socialist Eastern Orthodoxy.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:11 pm
by New confederate ramenia
Conserative Morality wrote:
Uxupox wrote:It's a patriarchy white cis scum society. What do you expect.

>> Literally worshipped gods of intersex gender
>> One of the Empire's best-known poems is all about a girl turning into a boy

Those things can be right wing. Scroll back through this thread a few pages
>> North Africa
>> Multicultural af

Multiculturalism is right wing in some countries

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:13 pm
by Napkiraly
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
I wouldn't want to be ranked neither since I'd probably termed as "tyrannical" or something similar since I'd prob genocide a few people.

To be fair, we all have that one group we want to genocide. I say that as a left-winger.

I mean, after my disagreement with Joch over Mohammad's actions with the Banu Qurayza I looked into it more and if you go with the broad view of intent to destroy, than so many things can be considered genocide that it would lose a lot of its shock factor. Caesar's conquest of Gaul? Genocide. Putting down the Sepoy Rebellion? Genocide. Defeat of Biafra? Genocide. You could actually make an argument that the subjugation of the CSA was genocide with that view of it.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:14 pm
by Conserative Morality
New confederate ramenia wrote:Those things can be right wing. Scroll back through this thread a few pages

That part was objecting to 'cis', not right-wing.
Multiculturalism is right wing in some countries

Objection to 'white'.

I mean, I get that it was just a flippant response, but Rome's more nuanced than a lot of people give it credit for.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:15 pm
by Befrielsia
I feel that the American system has the potential to do very well, there are a couple of roadblocks. Most of those roadblocks would be fixed by instituting term limits on senators and representatives. We already have limits on the President to prevent the rise of a pseudo-dictatorship, why not the other politicians? There are some politicians that have been in office for more than three decades.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:17 pm
by Conscentia
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
New confederate ramenia wrote:I'm not sure what that is, but I'll rank you above RIG

Robotism is an ideology of my creation. It's robots literally solving every problem for us.

As a cylon, I can tell how we'd solve your problems for you very permanently. ;)

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:17 pm
by Conserative Morality
Also, it occurs to me that even after lurking and posting in this thread, I don't know many of you all that well. Why should I live under your iron fist? :p

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:19 pm
by The Empire of Pretantia
Conserative Morality wrote:Also, it occurs to me that even after lurking and posting in this thread, I don't know many of you all that well. Why should I live under your iron fist? :p

Robots.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:19 pm
by The Kievan People
Oh this looks fun.

Not ranked, just numbered.

1. Old Tyrannia & HMS Vanguard: I too miss the British Empire.
2. United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
3. Fahrong: Though it might damage my pride I too can learn to love the Putin.
4. Eisarn-Ara: Can we crusade now?
5. Diopolis: Because protestantism was basically a mistake.
6. RIG: Wut. No.
7. Jochi: Depends on how many wives/concubines I am eligible for under the new order.
8. East Marches: Praise the helicopter.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:19 pm
by New confederate ramenia
Conserative Morality wrote:Also, it occurs to me that even after lurking and posting in this thread, I don't know many of you all that well. Why should I live under your iron fist? :p

Kingz n shit but also libertarianism and socialism

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:20 pm
by Conserative Morality
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Robots.

Human supremacist 4 life.
New confederate ramenia wrote:Kingz n shit but also libertarianism and socialism

Does 'libertarianism' include degeneracy?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:21 pm
by Eisarn-Ara
Conserative Morality wrote:Also, it occurs to me that even after lurking and posting in this thread, I don't know many of you all that well. Why should I live under your iron fist? :p



The right to own slaves and Industrial rights + have upward mobility in society after military service to prove loyalty to the state & it's survival.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:21 pm
by Napkiraly
Conserative Morality wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:By modern standards? Right-wing.

Not that that is a bad thing.

I can see how it could be either, which is why I'm interested in hearing opinions from the good folks on here.

I suppose you could. I mean, if we are to consider the right as broadly accepting that social hierarchy is inevitable then Rome would be very right wing.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:22 pm
by Conserative Morality
Eisarn-Ara wrote:The right to own slaves

Sounds bad.
and Industrial rights + have upward mobility in society after military service to prove loyalty to the state & it's survival.

Sounds Heinlein.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:23 pm
by Eisarn-Ara
The Kievan People wrote:4. Eisarn-Ara: Can we crusade now?



When in Degenerate Trashcanistan, do as the Deus-Vulters do.

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Time to Ave Maria mein neger.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:23 pm
by Eisarn-Ara
Conserative Morality wrote:
Eisarn-Ara wrote:The right to own slaves

Sounds bad.
and Industrial rights + have upward mobility in society after military service to prove loyalty to the state & it's survival.

Sounds Heinlein.



It's color blind slavery, and Heinlein got "that" from the Byzantine Empire.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:23 pm
by Minzerland
Looks like I missed a bit.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:24 pm
by New confederate ramenia
Eisarn-Ara wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Also, it occurs to me that even after lurking and posting in this thread, I don't know many of you all that well. Why should I live under your iron fist? :p



The right to own slaves and Industrial rights + have upward mobility in society after military service to prove loyalty to the state & it's survival.

If you're a slave do you have upward mobility?
Conserative Morality wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Robots.

Human supremacist 4 life.
New confederate ramenia wrote:Kingz n shit but also libertarianism and socialism

Does 'libertarianism' include degeneracy?

Not really. Libertarianism is more small and local government, strengthening of non-government institutions, and less regulations. You would be able to be pretty degenerate without breaking any laws in my system, but there would still be some consequences.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:24 pm
by The Kievan People
Eisarn-Ara wrote:
The Kievan People wrote:4. Eisarn-Ara: Can we crusade now?



When in Degenerate Trashcanistan, do as the Deus-Vulters do.

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Time to Ave Maria mein neger.


FOR THE GRACE OF GOD

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:24 pm
by The Empire of Pretantia
Eisarn-Ara wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Sounds bad.

Sounds Heinlein.



It's color blind slavery, and Heinlein got "that" from the Byzantine Empire.

Are you a milf, Eisarn-Ara-Ara?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:25 pm
by Conserative Morality
Eisarn-Ara wrote:It's color blind slavery,

Still horrid. Slavery's terribly inefficient, not to mention inhumane.
and Heinlein got "that" from the Byzantine Empire.

Not Rome?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:27 pm
by Conserative Morality
New confederate ramenia wrote:Not really. Libertarianism is more small and local government, strengthening of non-government institutions, and less regulations. You would be able to be pretty degenerate without breaking any laws in my system, but there would still be some consequences.

But since it's delegated to local government, there would be pockets of extreme degeneracy unfettered by laws and supported by non-government institutions?