Right Wing Discussion Thread the Third

[Geilinor]

Because humans make decisions based on what is desirable. Rational ones anyway.

If I am a psychopath, killing other humans for sport is desirable. Does this make it rational and/or acceptable?

Psychopaths have a medical condition impairing their decision-making skills. So no, I would not let a psychopath make that choice.

[The Kievan People]

I think the most convincing miracle to me is the one in Spain where a man had his leg restored after it having been removed years earlier.

How do you account for miracles in other faiths, such as the Dalai Lama's selection?

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[United Marxist Nations]

I think the most convincing miracle to me is the one in Spain where a man had his leg restored after it having been removed years earlier.

People spontaneously combust, ya know. Weird shit happens. Just because a guy uttered some words before said weird shit happens doesn't mean "ZOMG! GAWD!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_Calanda

[Conscentia]

How exactly would you define morality? Your earlier post suggests that you believe merely having biases (ie. values) of any sort that influence behaviour constitutes a morality. Is this so?

I would say that said biases (values) would have to come into play when making a decision, which would exclude anything regarded as insufficiently complex to make 'decisions', but otherwise, yes. Virtue ethicist here.

So a preference for the taste of chocolate and the colour red are moral values? They come into play when making particular decisions. Is the chocolate ice-cream morally superior to the strawberry ice-cream?

[Conserative Morality]

So now empirical fact is trumped by... by... by.... what? What can you replace your basic senses with?

Skepticism. As someone who has seen things that aren't there, and seen things that were kind of there, and seen things that were there but not as I saw them, one's basic senses are incredibly unreliable.

[United Marxist Nations]

If I am a psychopath, killing other humans for sport is desirable. Does this make it rational and/or acceptable?

Psychopaths have a medical condition impairing their decision-making skills. So no, I would not let a psychopath make that choice.

Why?

[Jumalariik]

I think the most convincing miracle to me is the one in Spain where a man had his leg restored after it having been removed years earlier.

People spontaneously combust, ya know. Weird shit happens. Just because a guy uttered some words before said weird shit happens doesn't mean "ZOMG! GAWD!"

Logic 10/10.

Something you think is weird happens. It is clearly real and there is a clear explanation. Why would you not give some thought to that explanation if you cannot find a real one?

[Conserative Morality]

So a preference for the taste of chocolate and the colour red are moral values? They come into play when making particular decisions. Is the chocolate ice-cream morally superior to the strawberry ice-cream?

You're getting too complex, there. Think simpler. Why is there a preference for the taste of chocolate? Because its taste is pleasing. Why pursue pleasing taste? Because one values pleasure for oneself.

[Dagashi Shojo]

I don't believe in miracles. As for the Dalai Lama's selection? You'd need to understand the Buddhist perspective on reincarnation or at least the Vajrayana perspective because they looooove that shit I tell ye.

Yeah, yeah, I know. I used to be one of you, and I remember how much we loved telling people we didn't really believe in reincarnation because of the pedantic distinction between rebirth/reincarnation.

[Jumalariik]

So now empirical fact is trumped by... by... by.... what? What can you replace your basic senses with?

Skepticism. As someone who has seen things that aren't there, and seen things that were kind of there, and seen things that were there but not as I saw them, one's basic senses are incredibly unreliable.

So what is reliable besides the dogma of skepticism? You are not skeptical about lots of things, otherwise you could not live functionally. Extreme skepticism, like moral subjectivism are things that may be logical, but they are not true to a reality that a human can experience. They are themselves the real spooks.

[Renewed Imperial Germany-]

Because humans make decisions based on what is desirable. Rational ones anyway.

That doesn't make them right.

What does make people right then? A nonexistent diety that you can't possibly prove exists? Thats not objective.

Moreover, some people undoubtedly prefer chaos

You don't need to convince me of that. But I'd say most people sadly don't enjoy chaos.

or a form of order that clashes greatly with your worldview.

I mean, people can be wrong. I aint stoping them.

[Jumalariik]

Psychopaths have a medical condition impairing their decision-making skills. So no, I would not let a psychopath make that choice.

Why?

Because murder is bad....


Shit... we did that morality thing again.

[Nusaresa]

I'm a skeptic and I now that brains love to do crazy shit. It takes effort to say that crazy shit is in fact bullshit. But ok whatever kowtow to your brain and animal instincts why don't you.

So now empirical fact is trumped by... by... by.... what? What can you replace your basic senses with?

No. Just flip your sentence.

Empirical evidence is needed, if not, stay skeptical and if you understand your situation, dismiss it. Besides, why bother fapping over some blurry ass picture when you could be like mountain biking or canoeing or some shit.

Physical fitness is better than ruminating on 'what ifs' imho.

So now empirical fact is trumped by... by... by.... what? What can you replace your basic senses with?

Skepticism. As someone who has seen things that aren't there, and seen things that were kind of there, and seen things that were there but not as I saw them, one's basic senses are incredibly unreliable.

Pretty much. Your senses (and you by extension) create bullshit like a cow shitting in a farm.

[Minzerland II]

No. Cats are devil spawn, they don't feel anything.

The internet is made of cats. Why do you hate the internet?

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[Conserative Morality]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_Calanda

The Miracle of Calanda is an event that allegedly took place in Calanda, Spain in 1640, according to 17th century documents.

You'll remember that's about the time that a Frenchman jacked off into a pile of leaves and claimed a semiperson grew from it.

[United Marxist Nations]

That doesn't make them right.

What does make people right then? A nonexistent diety that you can't possibly prove exists? Thats not objective.

Moreover, some people undoubtedly prefer chaos

You don't need to convince me of that. But I'd say most people sadly don't enjoy chaos.

or a form of order that clashes greatly with your worldview.

I mean, people can be wrong. I aint stoping them.

What makes them wrong? Quit dancing around it, and fucking say it!

[Minzerland II]

No. Cats are devil spawn, they don't feel anything.

That's a goddamn lie. Cats feel smugness and satisfaction upon the manipulation or abuse of other living creatures.

That is merely Satan possessing their hollow body.

[Jumalariik]

So now empirical fact is trumped by... by... by.... what? What can you replace your basic senses with?

No. Just flip your sentence.

Empirical evidence is needed, if not, stay skeptical and if you understand your situation, dismiss it. Besides, why bother fapping over some blurry ass picture when you could be like mountain biking or canoeing or some shit.

Physical fitness is better than ruminating on 'what ifs' imho.

Skepticism. As someone who has seen things that aren't there, and seen things that were kind of there, and seen things that were there but not as I saw them, one's basic senses are incredibly unreliable.

Pretty much. Your senses (and you by extension) create bullshit like a cow shitting in a farm.

K. You are above using your senses yet you are typing to reply to me, my writing, which you sense. No words.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

you read about chaos
http://www.reformation.org/en-sack-of-constantinople.jpg
you think about fire and getting your ass eviscerated and hacked to pieces
does that feel good to you?
https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/49244429.jpg
get that shit away from me
i don't want to experience chaos
chaos is literally destruction and death
and hence you have successfully concluded that by your own logic it is negative
if p, then q
p is chaos, aka "fire and burning and getting eviscerated and hacked to pieces"
q is "i don't want to experience this shit keep it away from me"
if p, then q, then x because q
where x is "chaos is bad, where bad is something i wish to avoid"
p->q->x because q

So you proved that chaos is unpleasant. How does that prove that it's negative?

In the strictest sense, according to the glorious dictionary definition, it does. In one sense anyway.
Negativity is the quality of being undesirable, damaging or unfavorable. Among other things.

not positive or neutral
(physics) of electrical charge of an electron and related particles [from the 18th c.]
(mathematics) of number, less than zero
(linguistics, logic) denying a proposition
damaging; undesirable; unfavourable  [quotations ▼]
pessimistic; not tending to see the bright side of things. (Often used pejoratively.)  [quotations ▼]
Of or relating to a photographic image in which the colours of the original, and the relations of right and left, are reversed.
(chemistry) metalloidal; nonmetallic; contrasted with positive or basic.
The nitro group is negative.
(New Age jargon) (pejorative) bad, unwanted, disagreeable, potentially damaging, to be avoided, unpleasant, difficult, painful; (often precedes 'energy', 'feeling', 'emotion' or 'thought').  [quotations ▲]
2009, Christopher Johns, Becoming a Reflective Practitioner, John Wiley & Sons, page 15
Negative feelings can be worked through and their energy converted into positive energy... In crisis, normal patterns of self-organization fail, resulting in anxiety (negative energy).
2011, Joe Vitale, The Key: the missing secret for attracting anything you want, Body, Mind & Spirit, [1]
The threat of negative feelings may seem very real, but they are nothing more than mirages... Allow the unwanted feelings to evaporate and dissolve as the mirages that they are.
2011, Anne Jones, Healing Negative Energies, Hachette, page 118
If you have been badly affected by negative energy a salt bath is wonderful for clearing and cleansing yourself... Salt attracts negative energy and will draw it away from you.
Characterized by the presence of features which do not support a hypothesis.

I mean it in the sense so bolded. Chaos is unfavorable, undesirable- I do not want it. It is damaging- it brings harm and distress to myself.
And as such, it is negative. It is to be avoided and cast out like Azazel the goat off some Jordanian or Israeli mountain.

My cat is more enjoyable and friendly than my dogs.

He doesn't start yapping at the top of his lungs because I walk past the bedroom door where he's sleeping.

Thanks because you haven't trained your kampfhunds correctly. I would argue that dog training is more difficult than training other humans. At least with humans, somebody else did all the ground work.

Meanwhile, dog mothers find little benefit for training their pups to be dogs which seek out the jews, communists, irish, niggers and other assorted degenerates to be tossed into the fire or the dog meat.

[The Kievan People]

Cats don't feel anything.

... it's generally accepted that cats can experience qualia.

Qualia are spooks.

[Renewed Imperial Germany-]

People spontaneously combust, ya know. Weird shit happens. Just because a guy uttered some words before said weird shit happens doesn't mean "ZOMG! GAWD!"

Logic 10/10.

Something you think is weird happens. It is clearly real and there is a clear explanation. Why would you not give some thought to that explanation if you cannot find a real one?

Because "ZOMG GAWD" isn't a rational or clear explanation. Its much more likely that there are things that we cannot scientifically understand than it is that there is a mystical being steeped in contradiction. Oh yeah, and hates me.

[Reverend Norv]

If I am a psychopath, killing other humans for sport is desirable. Does this make it rational and/or acceptable?

Psychopaths have a medical condition impairing their decision-making skills. So no, I would not let a psychopath make that choice.

But even that is a normative judgment, is it not?

Let us assume the supposedly amoral perspective that human beings seek pleasure and avoid displeasure, and that this search alone is sufficient grounds for rational judgment. That, as I understand it, is what has been argued here.

Based on that perspective, what right do you have to judge that my lack of empathy "impairs" my judgment? I can certainly still seek pleasure and avoid displeasure. What right do you have to make the normative claim that I am less rational than anyone else?

[United Marxist Nations]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_Calanda

The Miracle of Calanda is an event that allegedly took place in Calanda, Spain in 1640, according to 17th century documents.

You'll remember that's about the time that a Frenchman jacked off into a pile of leaves and claimed a semiperson grew from it.

1640 was well into the Enlightenment, and there was a great deal of documentation of the amputation of his leg and its restoration, including testimony from the doctor who removed it.

[Dushan]

So now empirical fact is trumped by... by... by.... what? What can you replace your basic senses with?

No. Just flip your sentence.

Empirical evidence is needed, if not, stay skeptical and if you understand your situation, dismiss it. Besides, why bother fapping over some blurry ass picture when you could be like mountain biking or canoeing or some shit.

Physical fitness is better than ruminating on 'what ifs' imho.

Skepticism. As someone who has seen things that aren't there, and seen things that were kind of there, and seen things that were there but not as I saw them, one's basic senses are incredibly unreliable.

Pretty much. Your senses (and you by extension) create bullshit like a cow shitting in a farm.

This pretty much. ^^

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Nvm