Right Wing Discussion Thread the Third

[Jumalariik]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Zeitoun

Mass Hysteria's a thing, honey.

You can't just say that something is mass hysteria if it was photographed, filmed, and acknowledged as true by unbiased sourced.

[Jochizyd Republic]

To quote a popular song from my senior year of high school that one of my best friends continuously repeated regardless of context: "Sticks and stones can break my bones but whips and chains excite me."

Rihanna's ancestors didn't think that way.

That one caught me off guard.

[Dagashi Shojo]

Rihanna's ancestors didn't think that way.

Yeah, yeah, and my ancestors thought god lived in a river. Doesn't stop me from mocking the Potomac.

Mine thought rabbits came from the stars.

Fortunately the white man put an end to that.

[Renewed Imperial Germany-]

How am I being edgy? The whole basis of your faith is that God can't be proven, and so you have to believe in him. The whole fucking point of Faith is Faith, otherwise it wouldn't be called fucking Faith.

Hume, the whole basis for all belief can't be proven.

Do you worship God or Hume?

[Conserative Morality]

Do cats have morality?

In a very basic kind of way, yes.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Literally you don't know how he fucking thinks. For all you know, he could choose to not murder people because of some logical thinking about how allowing it would burn society down or something. Doing stuff on principle =/= morals. Not every principle is a moral.

Eh.... yes it is. If you say "I will not go rape somebody because rape is against my principles, as a logical person, you could claim that those principles should be obeyed by others as well.

Then again, David Hume must be gleefully looking at the mess that he has created.

how about we derive morality purely from our impulses instead of from supposed natural truths instead
oh wait
that just evades the problem

[Renewed Imperial Germany-]

Mass Hysteria's a thing, honey.

You can't just say that something is mass hysteria if it was photographed, filmed, and acknowledged as true by unbiased sourced.

Photographs can be edited. And besides, with how fucking blurry that thing is you can't make anything out.

[Jumalariik]

Eh.... yes it is. If you say "I will not go rape somebody because rape is against my principles, as a logical person, you could claim that those principles should be obeyed by others as well.

Then again, David Hume must be gleefully looking at the mess that he has created.

If your principle is that raping someone would cause chaos, and chaos would logically have negative effects, and so on then no its not morals.

Morals are right/wrong judgements without any logic involved.

No. Morals are saying x is bad to do. If you think chaos is bad, you have a moral problem with chaos. " moral-concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character: the moral dimensions of medical intervention | a moral judgment." Where does this deffiniton include anything relating to logic? Oh wait. I forgot, sociology means we can just define stuff as we see fit to make the edgiest arguments. Who needs a dictionary when you have portable goalposts?

[Conscentia]

Do cats have morality?

In a very basic kind of way, yes.

I think most people do not regard non-human animals to be moral agents. Your understanding of the word "morality" seems to be unusual.

[Jumalariik]

You can't just say that something is mass hysteria if it was photographed, filmed, and acknowledged as true by unbiased sourced.

Photographs can be edited. And besides, with how fucking blurry that thing is you can't make anything out.

It was in the 1960s at night. Further, that's a ludicrous argument. It was seen by thousands upon thousands of people, including Muslim politicians who acknowledged it as true.

[Dagashi Shojo]

For the Perennial Traditionalists here (which I think Fahrong, Jochi, and Dushan are), I have a question - devayana or pitriyana?

The Theravada Buddhist here says hi.

And says to live mindfully and to live the middle way.

The Middle Way doesn't really apply here. It might for the Mahayana with their Bodhisattva ideal, but not for Theravada.

[Minzerland II]

Do cats have morality?

In a very basic kind of way, yes.

No, they don't, they're little shits.

[Renewed Imperial Germany-]

If your principle is that raping someone would cause chaos, and chaos would logically have negative effects, and so on then no its not morals.

Morals are right/wrong judgements without any logic involved.

No. Morals are saying x is bad to do. If you think chaos is bad, you have a moral problem with chaos. " moral-concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character: the moral dimensions of medical intervention | a moral judgment." Where does this deffiniton include anything relating to logic? Oh wait. I forgot, sociology means we can just define stuff as we see fit to make the edgiest arguments. Who needs a dictionary when you have portable goalposts?

The person I created never said that chaos was "bad," though. They logically believed that chaos has negative effects in the form of people being harmed, society being disrupted, etc, etc. At no point did they consider anything morally 'bad.' Again, morals don't have to do with logic. If you base your 'right' and 'wrong' based on logic it isn't morality.

[Jumalariik]

In a very basic kind of way, yes.

No, they don't, they're little shits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG5mOd8Ubsk

[Renewed Imperial Germany-]

Photographs can be edited. And besides, with how fucking blurry that thing is you can't make anything out.

It was in the 1960s at night. Further, that's a ludicrous argument. It was seen by thousands upon thousands of people, including Muslim politicians who acknowledged it as true.

Thousands of people seeing a fantasy sky woman sounds like mass hysteria of huge tier.

[Conserative Morality]

I think most people do not regard non-human animals to be moral agents. Your understanding of the word "morality" seems to be unusual.

Most people strip animals of their moral agency not out of any deep consideration for the matter, but simply because that's how the modern West perceives lower life forms. It's not that animals don't meet the standards set for morality by most people - it's just that they're animals, and so automatically disqualified.

[United Marxist Nations]

Hume, the whole basis for all belief can't be proven.

Do you worship God or Hume?

God, but I have been greatly influenced by Hume's ideas, along with those of Karl Marx, Frederick Engels, V I Lenin, Sorel, and even a bit of Stirner.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

In a very basic kind of way, yes.

I think most people do not regard non-human animals to be moral agents. Your understanding of the word "morality" seems to be unusual.

i worry the most generalized sense of morality would call operating systems moral agents because they have failsafes or some shit against their own destruction

No. Morals are saying x is bad to do. If you think chaos is bad, you have a moral problem with chaos. " moral-concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character: the moral dimensions of medical intervention | a moral judgment." Where does this deffiniton include anything relating to logic? Oh wait. I forgot, sociology means we can just define stuff as we see fit to make the edgiest arguments. Who needs a dictionary when you have portable goalposts?

The person I created never said that chaos was "bad," though. They logically believed that chaos has negative effects in the form of people being harmed, society being disrupted, etc, etc. At no point did they consider anything morally 'bad.' Again, morals don't have to do with logic. If you base your 'right' and 'wrong' based on logic it isn't morality.

person i created said they didn't want chaos, only a human race united under one interstellar government perpetually expanding its' colonies further beyond the limits of this earth

[Conserative Morality]

No, they don't, they're little shits.

Egoistic morality is still morality of a kind. But I agree. Fuckin' parasite infested parasites.

[Novus America]

Freudianism needs to stop.

Yeah, honestly. Freud got a lot wrong and had a really weird sex obsession.

Well he was an insane coke fiend obsessed with cocks and had a weird incest fetish. And tried to justify it by convincing himself everyone else had the same issues.

[Minzerland II]

No, they don't, they're little shits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG5mOd8Ubsk

[Jumalariik]

No. Morals are saying x is bad to do. If you think chaos is bad, you have a moral problem with chaos. " moral-concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character: the moral dimensions of medical intervention | a moral judgment." Where does this deffiniton include anything relating to logic? Oh wait. I forgot, sociology means we can just define stuff as we see fit to make the edgiest arguments. Who needs a dictionary when you have portable goalposts?

The person I created never said that chaos was "bad," though. They logically believed that chaos has negative effects in the form of people being harmed, society being disrupted, etc, etc. At no point did they consider anything morally 'bad.' Again, morals don't have to do with logic. If you base your 'right' and 'wrong' based on logic it isn't morality.

"negative effects in the form of people being harmed, society being disrupted, etc, etc."

Let's use standard English: "Synonyms for negative: adj bad, contradictory"
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/negative

So, if morality is, as is said in standard English, that something bad is immoral, and if we use English and something is negative, it is bad, meaning that it is immoral.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Yeah, honestly. Freud got a lot wrong and had a really weird sex obsession.

Well he was an insane coke fiend obesession with cocks and had a weird incest fetish. An tried to justify it by convincing himself everyone else had the same issues.

man, he shoulda gone on milftoon as one of the cartoonists
they need more fuckers like sigmund

[Nusaresa]

The Theravada Buddhist here says hi.

And says to live mindfully and to live the middle way.

The Middle Way doesn't really apply here. It might for the Mahayana with their Bodhisattva ideal, but not for Theravada.

It does apply in a very 'loose' sense in Theravada. And I say loose because that whole Theravada practice technically died for a good two centuries in a big chunk of where it used to be (still practiced, but it was rather negligible and for the most part, on the decline anyways due to various factors) and was revived through the birth of nationalism and by way of the theosophists (in Sri Lanka and iirc Myanmar).

But you want to escape everything? You got to do it by one's own efforts and realizations. No savior is coming for you.

[Jumalariik]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG5mOd8Ubsk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBRe2PC6QCM
For your viewing pleasure.