Right Wing Discussion Thread the Third

[Conscentia]

No offense but it seems incredibly naive to believe your system could create an immortal paradise on earth, creating such a radical picture of the future that you cant predict its problems could be tragic.

The alternative is the certainty of death. [...]

Death is always a certainty. Given that entropy always increases over time, death is inescapable - it can only be delayed.

[Dagashi Shojo]

The world is what you perceive it to be. You can piece it together into a view through rationality, but not everything is capably of being understood and any such view will always have holes. Obsessing over these cracks in what you take to be reality is what will wear your reality into dust and strike you with the plague of madness, our intelligibility is not even fully conceivable to ourselves let alone the whole of existence, reality is a deception, the only reality is your mind which is incorporeal. The incorporeal is clearly a crucial part of the world then, yet no rationality can explain the essence of existence itself, it lacks faith, it relies on the limitations of perceivable existence which is woefully inadequate.

If I perceive a piece of rope as a snake, that does not make it a cobra. It remains a piece of fucking rope.

Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, Hegel, and other philosophers all managed to debate and explain the essence of existence just fine.

[Ashkera]

The alternative is the certainty of death. [...]

Death is always a certainty. Given that entropy always increases over time, death is inescapable - it can only be delayed.

If I can delay to the point that I'm actually fine with it, making it voluntary rather than involuntary, then does that actually matter?

It's always trotted out in response to the possibility of life extension, like it's some super argument, but it's missing the point.
That, and we're still pretty young as a species to say that we know that much of the universe with absolute certainty.

[-Fahrong-]

No offense but it seems incredibly naive to believe your system could create an immortal paradise on earth, creating such a radical picture of the future that you cant predict its problems could be tragic.

The alternative is the certainty of death. People are willing to take on a lot of risk when facing certain death as the alternative.

I think I said it before, but when I interact with most any religion, especially their most fervent followers, it doesn't feel like a taste of enlightenment. It feels like it's a massive ideological complex attempting to hack my brain and overwrite my values. Given the available evidence, "human beings have a common trait that causes them to create and follow religions" seems far more probable to me than "[particular religion] is true," and more readily predicts the world we live in.

For reference, I feel the same way when interacting with some ultra-left things.

People have lived for millennia accepting death, in fact living ones life accepting an inevitable death and hoping to be graceful in death is a great motivator in life. The Art of death is what should guide man, limitation of time produces a need for achievement within ones life span, I fear of the psychological effect that the idea of immortality would have on a person within this world.

Im sorry I can offer no consolation to this opinion apart from the fact that Christianity can be viewed and learned for enlightenment through various philosophies, and that perhaps you simply need to hear it a certain way that you arent used to.

[-Fahrong-]

The world is what you perceive it to be. You can piece it together into a view through rationality, but not everything is capably of being understood and any such view will always have holes. Obsessing over these cracks in what you take to be reality is what will wear your reality into dust and strike you with the plague of madness, our intelligibility is not even fully conceivable to ourselves let alone the whole of existence, reality is a deception, the only reality is your mind which is incorporeal. The incorporeal is clearly a crucial part of the world then, yet no rationality can explain the essence of existence itself, it lacks faith, it relies on the limitations of perceivable existence which is woefully inadequate.

If I perceive a piece of rope as a snake, that does not make it a cobra. It remains a piece of fucking rope.

Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, Hegel, and other philosophers all managed to debate and explain the essence of existence just fine.

Perhaps it does. But I was not arguing of something so basic. I was speaking of more advanced unexplainable elements of life. The irrational.

[Selfi]

hey guys im the spooky degenerate ur so fraid of

[-Fahrong-]

hey guys im the spooky degenerate ur so fraid of

*Prepares glass of vodka*

[United Marxist Nations]

hey guys im the spooky degenerate ur so fraid of

How are you degenerate?

[Uxupox]

hey guys im the spooky degenerate ur so fraid of

DELET THIS

[Selfi]

hey guys im the spooky degenerate ur so fraid of

How are you degenerate?

im an egoist, i think all people should have all the freedom they want, there is no morality thats just a spook, so its best just to pursue pleasure

[Northern Davincia]

hey guys im the spooky degenerate ur so fraid of

*Prepares glass of vodka*

Pass it around, we'll be needing it.

[United Marxist Nations]

How are you degenerate?

im an egoist, i think all people should have all the freedom they want, there is no morality thats just a spook, so its best just to pursue pleasure

Why is it best to pursue pleasure?

[Northern Davincia]

im an egoist, i think all people should have all the freedom they want, there is no morality thats just a spook, so its best just to pursue pleasure

Why is it best to pursue pleasure?

Pleasure is a spook.

[-Fahrong-]

How are you degenerate?

im an egoist, i think all people should have all the freedom they want, there is no morality thats just a spook, so its best just to pursue pleasure

And this is why I changed my flag. Mate, that sounds bloody awful, and would we not have the freedom to believe in morality?

*Prepares glass of vodka*

Pass it around, we'll be needing it.

Man, I got the best rack. If I could host a party in person for nationstaters I would have the best on the line.

[Conserative Morality]

How are you degenerate?

This one time I was playing a roguelike and it generated a level I didn't like, so I degenerated the fuck out of it.

[Conserative Morality]

Why is it best to pursue pleasure?

Pleasure is a spook.

Spooks is a spook.

[Dagashi Shojo]

If I perceive a piece of rope as a snake, that does not make it a cobra. It remains a piece of fucking rope.

Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, Hegel, and other philosophers all managed to debate and explain the essence of existence just fine.

Perhaps it does. But I was not arguing of something so basic. I was speaking of more advanced unexplainable elements of life. The irrational.

Almost all traditional systems in history have placed the irrational at the lowest element of life, and the highest element to be the intuitive rational aspect (Aristotle, Plato, Aquinas, etc.) the irrational exists only to be molded by the intellect, and not the opposite.

[Minzerland]

Question RWDT III, who is your favourite Monarch? Mine is Charlimagne the Father of Europe.

[Taziristan]

Question RWDT III, who is your favourite Monarch? Mine is Charlimagne the Father of Europe.

King Henry the VIII Who decided that women are disposable. Love that man.

[Northern Davincia]

Question RWDT III, who is your favourite Monarch? Mine is Charlimagne the Father of Europe.

Baldwin IV of Jerusalem.

[Conserative Morality]

Question RWDT III, who is your favourite Monarch? Mine is Charlimagne the Father of Europe.

How are we defining monarch?

[Germanic Templars]

Question RWDT III, who is your favourite Monarch? Mine is Charlimagne the Father of Europe.

Charles Martel - The Hammer and [great] grandfather to Charlemagne.

[United Marxist Nations]

Question RWDT III, who is your favourite Monarch? Mine is Charlimagne the Father of Europe.

[Conscentia]

Death is always a certainty. Given that entropy always increases over time, death is inescapable - it can only be delayed.

If I can delay to the point that I'm actually fine with it, making it voluntary rather than involuntary, then does that actually matter?

At what point would that be?

It's always trotted out in response to the possibility of life extension, like it's some super argument, but it's missing the point.

If you think I was arguing against life extension, you've missed my point.

That, and we're still pretty young as a species to say that we know that much of the universe with absolute certainty.

Until some evidence shows up that gives us reason to discard what we thought we knew about thermodynamics, I'll stick to my pessimism.

[Northern Davincia]

Question RWDT III, who is your favourite Monarch? Mine is Charlimagne the Father of Europe.

How are we defining monarch?

Crowns, thrones, epic uniforms, the usual.