To burkini or not burkini, that’s the question.

[Ifreann]

Apparently the State Council has overturned these bans.

Telegraph
Graun

The mayor of Sisco, in Corsica, vowed to defy the State Council's ruling and maintain the ban in his town.

For fuck's sake, he thinks he's a little Andrew Jackson or something.

French Revolution 2016

[Seperates]

I wonder if they'll ban wet-suits next...

[Gauthier]

I wonder if they'll ban wet-suits next...

Only for Muslims.

[Skyviolia]

Hasn't the French court lifted the ban?

[Ifreann]

Hasn't the French court lifted the ban?

Yes.

[Wallenburg]

Hasn't the French court lifted the ban?

Technically, they've simply suspended it. At least one local government is throwing a temper tantrum now, but I imagine most will comply with the court.

[Imperializt Russia]

Apparently the State Council has overturned these bans.

Telegraph
Graun

What is the "State Council"?

The Independent describes it as "France's highest court", and ruling that the bans are "seriously, and clearly illegal".
In light of this, I wonder if the officers involved in forcing a woman to remove her burkini will face disciplinary measures.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 11396.html

[Gauthier]

Apparently the State Council has overturned these bans.

Telegraph
Graun

What is the "State Council"?

The Independent describes it as "France's highest court", and ruling that the bans are "seriously, and clearly illegal".
In light of this, I wonder if the officers involved in forcing a woman to remove her burkini will face disciplinary measures.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 11396.html

In before someone salty about the lifting says it should be renamed to the Supreme Council.

[Alvecia]

Apparently the State Council has overturned these bans.

Telegraph
Graun

What is the "State Council"?

The Independent describes it as "France's highest court", and ruling that the bans are "seriously, and clearly illegal".
In light of this, I wonder if the officers involved in forcing a woman to remove her burkini will face disciplinary measures.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 11396.html

In France, the Council of State (French: Conseil d'État; French pronunciation: ​[kɔ̃.sɛj.deˈta]) is a body of the French national government that acts both as legal adviser of the executive branch and as the supreme court for administrative justice.

[Risottia]

Apparently the State Council has overturned these bans.

Telegraph
Graun

What is the "State Council"?

It's the topmost court for administrative justice. Basically, if you think a governmental instance (ranging from town councils to the President of the Republic) has violated your rights or passed an illegal act, you file a case at the administrative courts.

[Risottia]

For fuck's sake, he thinks he's a little Andrew Jackson or something.

French Revolution 2016

The Charles De Gaulle is already enroute to Corsica.

[Galloism]

French Revolution 2016

The Charles De Gaulle is already enroute to Corsica.

Aww, Charles De Gaulle is such a cute little boat.

[Wallenburg]

Apparently the State Council has overturned these bans.

Telegraph
Graun

What is the "State Council"?

The Independent describes it as "France's highest court", and ruling that the bans are "seriously, and clearly illegal".
In light of this, I wonder if the officers involved in forcing a woman to remove her burkini will face disciplinary measures.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 11396.html

I don't imagine they would. The local government would be in support of the ban, and so it would not be interested in punishing its officers for enforcing its law.

[Imperializt Russia]

What is the "State Council"?

The Independent describes it as "France's highest court", and ruling that the bans are "seriously, and clearly illegal".
In light of this, I wonder if the officers involved in forcing a woman to remove her burkini will face disciplinary measures.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 11396.html

I don't imagine they would. The local government would be in support of the ban, and so it would not be interested in punishing its officers for enforcing its law.

But the law was "seriously and clearly illegal". The officers should have had no business enforcing it.

[Risottia]

I don't imagine they would. The local government would be in support of the ban, and so it would not be interested in punishing its officers for enforcing its law.

It's not like the local government is allowed to act against a ruling of the Conseil d'Etat.

But the law was "seriously and clearly illegal". The officers should have had no business enforcing it.

Yes they had. It's not like an agent can choose whether to apply a local regulation (not laws: a French city council cannot make law).

[Jolthig]

Ridiculous. All over fighting between cultures..smh..

The villages should instead prosecute whoever causes violence to begin with.

[Risottia]

Ridiculous. All over fighting between cultures..smh..

The villages should instead prosecute whoever causes violence to begin with.

"Villages" aren't prosecutor offices.

[Risottia]

The Charles De Gaulle is already enroute to Corsica.

Aww, Charles De Gaulle is such a cute little boat.

Littlé? Mais non! Every ton of it counts as ten because of la grandeur de la France!

[Wallenburg]

I don't imagine they would. The local government would be in support of the ban, and so it would not be interested in punishing its officers for enforcing its law.

But the law was "seriously and clearly illegal". The officers should have had no business enforcing it.

Laws cannot be illegal, and officers are sworn to enforce the law.

[Jolthig]

Ridiculous. All over fighting between cultures..smh..

The villages should instead prosecute whoever causes violence to begin with.

"Villages" aren't prosecutor offices.

Well, still.

[Galloism]

But the law was "seriously and clearly illegal". The officers should have had no business enforcing it.

Laws cannot be illegal, and officers are sworn to enforce the law.

Well, I don't know about France, but in the United States, laws can be illegal.

[Risottia]

But the law was "seriously and clearly illegal". The officers should have had no business enforcing it.

Laws cannot be illegal, and officers are sworn to enforce the law.

Not quite. Laws and regulations can be illegal - that's why there are a Conseil d'Etat and a Constitutional Court - not to mention international courts. If they're found to be illegal, they get stricken out and every legal consequence of the illegal bits is voided. Eventually the CdE can even grant a compensation to those who have been impacted adversely by an illegal act.

[Imperializt Russia]

But the law was "seriously and clearly illegal". The officers should have had no business enforcing it.

Laws cannot be illegal, and officers are sworn to enforce the law.

Your argument is with the French courts, not me.

Of course laws can be illegal. Say that Nice imposed a law saying that, in light of the Nice attack, anyone in traditional Middle Eastern or otherwise "Muslim" dress were to be shot on sight.
Would you disagree that this local law was "illegal"?

[Risottia]

"Villages" aren't prosecutor offices.

Well, still.

It's not like mayors and councils can determine laws or how the judiciary acts, you know.

[Wallenburg]

Laws cannot be illegal, and officers are sworn to enforce the law.

Well, I don't know about France, but in the United States, laws can be illegal.

In the US, laws can be unconstitutional, but not illegal.