Ohio Transwoman killed, called "Satan"

[Socialist Nordia]

That sounds like it would be accurate.

So it's not a sin if you're attracted to both genders, not just your own.

UMN has said in the past its only a sin if you act on your homosexual attractions.

[United Marxist Nations]

That sounds like it would be accurate.

So it's not a sin if you're attracted to both genders, not just your own.

It's not a sin to be attracted to any sex, it is the actions that are sinful.

[The Serbian Empire]

It is the values of gang culture, the prostitution that gangs are involved in, and that sex work and trans women are associated with each other. Gangs see killing sex workers as depriving a rival gang of money or removing an independent competitor. Poverty is more common in minority communities to begin with and thus you can see a multitude of factors that lead to some disturbing homicide numbers.

Wait, wait, wait! I agree with your first embedded post, but it's unnecessarily disparaging, even for those of us who are sex-worker-positive, to claim her murder had anything to do with prostitution when we don't know that.

It's because gangs are in the vice business. I'm in favor of legalizing prostitution as to be able to regulate the industry to a higher quality and safer standard.

[Noraika]

The condition of being transgender itself does not cause anything. It can result in Gender Dysphoria, which is a diagnosable condition, but being transgender in of itself is not a mental illness, because it does not fulfill the necessary requirements.

Gender Dysphoria is pretty much what happens when a transgender person is unable to be themselves (ie. the gender that is congruent with their gender identity), or incongruence with their assigned gender and desire to be their true gender. Given adequate resources, and the ability to be themselves, transgender people would not find their gender identity to be distressing at all.

That is why, transgender identity cannot be considered a disorder in of itself, because their being their gender is not the direct cause of dysphoria.

The emphasized sounds an awful lot like medical treatment for a medical condition.

Gender Dysphoria is a diagnosable condition, which many transgender people have. Transgender identity in of itself, however, is not a mental illness, and is not pathological. With that said, even Gender Dysphoria is a mental condition, rather than an illness or disorder.

[Luziyca]

Condolences to the victim, hope justice is served, yadda yadda yadda.

Doubt anything will ever change though.

[United Marxist Nations]

The emphasized sounds an awful lot like medical treatment for a medical condition.

Some mental illnesses requirement a lot of treatment of monitoring. Others don't.

So, then, it is a mental illness?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The emphasized sounds an awful lot like medical treatment for a medical condition.

Gender Dysphoria is a diagnosable condition, which many transgender people have. Transgender identity in of itself, however, is not a mental illness, and is not pathological. With that said, even Gender Dysphoria is a mental condition, rather than an illness or disorder.

I'm sure UMN is going to insist that you're mentally ill. No matter what you say.

[Noraika]

Some mental illnesses requirement a lot of treatment of monitoring. Others don't.

So, then, it is a mental illness?

No. Its not pathological.

[The Serbian Empire]

I dunno, let me go ask my bisexual girlfriend.

"I'm not homophobic, I have a bisexual girlfriend!"

It's just like the "I'm not racist, but..." line.

[Gauthier]

So it's not a sin if you're attracted to both genders, not just your own.

It's not a sin to be attracted to any sex, it is the actions that are sinful.

And yet the Catholic Church had to dole out millions of dollars to families of children who had their anuses dilated by desperate priests who were clearly acting on homosexual urges rather than being driven animalistic by an outdated dogma that forbids them from venting natural urges by any means, even getting married to a wife you can then bang.

[Italios]

Some mental illnesses requirement a lot of treatment of monitoring. Others don't.

So, then, it is a mental illness?

Yes. We just spent the last page discussing the distinction between gender dysphoria and being transgender.

[Liriena]

Once again, I say 'Meh'.

Once again, you add nothing. Why are you even bothering to post?

[United Marxist Nations]

The emphasized sounds an awful lot like medical treatment for a medical condition.

Gender Dysphoria is a diagnosable condition, which many transgender people have. Transgender identity in of itself, however, is not a mental illness, and is not pathological. With that said, even Gender Dysphoria is a mental condition, rather than an illness or disorder.

It certainly seems to be a risk-factor, though. I'm glad we got to the root of the matter, though.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

So, then, it is a mental illness?

Yes. We just spent the last page discussing the distinction between gender dysphoria and being transgender.

Not that it matters. The American Psychological Association has explained why being transgender is not a mental illness but what do they know, right?

[United Marxist Nations]

It's not a sin to be attracted to any sex, it is the actions that are sinful.

And yet the Catholic Church had to dole out millions of dollars to families of children who had their anuses dilated by desperate priests who were clearly acting on homosexual urges rather than being driven animalistic by an outdated dogma that forbids them from venting natural urges by any means, even getting married to a wife you can then bang.

I'm not Roman Catholic.

Orthodox priests are allowed to be married, but monastics aren't.

[Des-Bal]

Not that it matters. The American Psychological Association has explained why being transgender is not a mental illness but what do they know, right?

They've done very little but offer a pretext for a political decision.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Not that it matters. The American Psychological Association has explained why being transgender is not a mental illness but what do they know, right?

They've done very little but offer a pretext for a political decision.

Mhm. There's no political decision, the point has been explained and evidence has been shown here but, eh, whatever you say.

[Svebia]

There is nothing political about this, a human being was killed because he/she wanted to be what they wanted to be, and another human didn't like that so they killed them. It's a hate crime and should be treated as such. Manslaughter will always be manslaughter.

[Des-Bal]

Mhm. There's no political decision, the point has been explained and evidence has been shown here but, eh, whatever you say.

The only evidence I've seen is them saying "here's why we did this." The only response to how illogical what they said is has been "did you see what they said?"

[Noraika]

Gender Dysphoria is a diagnosable condition, which many transgender people have. Transgender identity in of itself, however, is not a mental illness, and is not pathological. With that said, even Gender Dysphoria is a mental condition, rather than an illness or disorder.

It certainly seems to be a risk-factor, though. I'm glad we got to the root of the matter, though.

Indeed, but you must understand that medically speaking there are huge differences between how simple terms are used. A condition is simply something that exists that, of its own nature is not inherently damaging or restricting to the individual. A disorder actually inhibits a person's ability to function in normalcy, and is pathological in origin.

Transgender people's gender identity is neither pathological, nor is it, of its own nature, inhibiting to the individual's ability to live a normal and fulfilled life. Therefore the state of a person simply being transgender cannot be considered equatable to Gender Dysphoria, because Gender Dysphoria only arises with transgender identity, under specific circumstances, and is not intrinsic to it. Therefore that is why Gender Dysphoria/Gender Incongruence is the diagnosis, instead of simply the presence of a person's gender identity not matching their gender assigned to them.

With that said, the good news is that, as more resources and information are out there to help transgender youth understand themselves, and as accessibility to medically necessary care is ever increasing, and people can transition younger and more effective, and even prevent themselves from having the wrong puberty, I think that Gender Dysphoria will be better addressed.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Mhm. There's no political decision, the point has been explained and evidence has been shown here but, eh, whatever you say.

The only evidence I've seen is them saying "here's why we did this." The only response to how illogical what they said is has been "did you see what they said?"

Did you read the link or are you just being cute?

[Des-Bal]

There is nothing political about this, a human being was killed because he/she wanted to be what they wanted to be, and another human didn't like that so they killed them. It's a hate crime and should be treated as such. Manslaughter will always be manslaughter.

It's not a perfect antonym but Manslaughter is basically the opposite of a hate crime. Also I'm not persuaded this is a hate crime. There's very little information in the posted link- the ex boyfriend left the bedroom with a gun and shot her then beat her. What the hell happened before that?

[Noraika]

There is nothing political about this, a human being was killed because he/she wanted to be what they wanted to be, and another human didn't like that so they killed them. It's a hate crime and should be treated as such. Manslaughter will always be manslaughter.

It's not a perfect antonym but Manslaughter is basically the opposite of a hate crime. Also I'm not persuaded this is a hate crime. There's very little information in the posted link- the ex boyfriend left the bedroom with a gun and shot her then beat her. What the hell happened before that?

You mean other than referring to her as "the devil" while he did so, and distinctive history of transphobia, and referring to her as such because she was transgender? I can't possibly imagine what the reason could be to see transphobia as a primary motivator.

[Des-Bal]

Did you read the link or are you just being cute?

What link? The one where the American Psychological Association observes categories of transgenderism, looks at the incidence rate of transgenderism, gives advice on managing transgenderism and creates a complete epidemiology of transgenderism all prefaced by saying "this isn't a disease but we can totally treat it?" I somehow found it less than persuasive.

[Noraika]

Did you read the link or are you just being cute?

What link? The one where the American Psychological Association observes categories of transgenderism, looks at the incidence rate of transgenderism, gives advice on managing transgenderism and creates a complete epidemiology of transgenderism all prefaced by saying "this isn't a disease but we can totally treat it?" I somehow found it less than persuasive.

"transgenderism"....implying transgender identity and people are somehow an ideology.

Or more for the fact that transgender identity, in of itself, is non-pathological, and does not meet the qualifications of a mental illness? We've kind of been over this, but if you want to contact the APA directly I'm sure they can give you a better and more detailed breakdown of how being transgender does not, in of itself, meet the qualifications for a disorder or illness. Because it doesn't