Jail university officials who sell career-useless majors?

[Novus America]

I don't even know what jobs people could possibly get with the Gender Studies degree.

The following list of employers and job titles was derived from Advising & Career Services' jobs database where employers indicated an interest in recruiting students majoring in women, gender, & sexuality studies. This list does not reflect all potential places of employment or kinds of jobs for women, gender, & sexuality studies majors. This list does not reflect current openings.

AIT Laboratories – Account Manager/Account Executive
American Red Cross – Territory Representative
Aon Corporation – Early Career Development Program Associate
Book News – Editor
Capital Financial Planners – Associate Investment Advisor/Financial Planner
Cascadia Behavioral HealthCare – Behavioral Health Counselors
Cedar River Clinics — Health Services Supervisor
CollegeNET – Sales Assistant
Consolidated Federal Credit Union – Loan Servicing Specialist
Crafts Americana Groups – Product Line/Brand Manager
CTC Consulting – Research Analyst
De La Salle North Catholic High School – Development Director
De Paul Treatment Centers – Adult Milieu Counselor, Women's Residential Program Primary Counselor, Alumni Association Coordinator
Dunkin and Bush – Junior Estimator
ECONorthwest – Research Assistant
Frito-Lay – Sales Associate
Girl Scouts, Columbia River Council – Community Program Coordinator
Hacienda Community Development Corporation – Microenterprise Developer, Portland Mercado Project Associate
Indian Health Service – Contract Specialist
Inside Track – College Success Coach, College Admissions/Enrollment Coach
Integral Consulting – Document Processing Specialist
Intel – Strategic Program/Project Manager
Intercall – Event Specialist
IXL Learning – Educational Sales Consultant
Kaiser Permanente – Healthcare Data Analyst
Kaplan – Student Advisor
KeyBank Oregon – Management Associate
Kittelson & Associates – Project Management Assistant
Knowledge Universe – Customer Relationship Specialist
KOIN TV – News Director, Account Executive, Assignment Editor
Legacy Health System – Manager Employee Health
Lifeworks NW — Residential Care Facilitator
Listen to Kids — Business Manager/Office Administrator
Lutheran Community Services Northwest – New Youth Perspectives Bilingual Youth Specialist
McKenzie Books – Human Resources Administrator
Mercy Corps – Assistant Program Officer
METRO – Assistant Transportation Planner
Metropolitan Family Services – Family Involvement Coordinator, Assistant Transportation Planner
Morrison Center Child & Family Services — Night Residential Skills Specialist, Residential Skills Specialist
Oregon Food Bank – Appeals & Proposals Developer, Donor Services Coordinator, Statewide Services Coordinator, Public Policy Advocate, Major Donor Manager
Oregon Museum of Science & Industry – Executive Assistant (Development)
Outside In – Housing Specialist
Portland Business Alliance – Inside Sales Account Executive
Impact Northwest – Resident Services Coordinator 1
Portland VA Medical Center – Program Support Assistant, Research Assistant, Research Assistant 2
PSU Admissions, Registration, & Records – Admissions Counselor, Program Support Assistant
Schneider National – Fleet Manager
Sherwin Williams – Management/Sales Trainee
Sustainable Northwest – Policy Program Assistant
Susan G. Komen For the Cure — Presentation Coordinator
The Hertz Corporation – Management Trainee
The Nature Conservancy – Administrative Assistant
Thetus Corporation – Training Developer
Unitus Community Credit Union – Compliance Specialist
Urban League of Portland – Academic Coach
US Bank – Manager in Training, Relationship Manager
Waggener Edstrom Worldwide – Account Executive
Warm Springs Community Action Team – Healthy Foods Program Coordinator
Wieden + Kennedy – Macintosh Support Technician
YWCA of Greater Portland – Energy Assistance Coordinator

one sauce, picked randomly.

Any of those jobs you could get, and would have a better chance getting with another degree though.

[Cannot think of a name]

Isn't it basically an accepted fact that having a degree doesn't actually make it easier for you to get a job?

Not to people who understand the difference between 'easier' and 'guaranteed'.

[Cannot think of a name]

one sauce, picked randomly.

Any of those jobs you could get, and would have a better chance getting with another degree though.

The following list of employers and job titles was derived from Advising & Career Services' jobs database where employers indicated an interest in recruiting students majoring in women, gender, & sexuality studies.

[The Serbian Empire]

There are subjects, like STEM, that there is a predictable demand for, but if everybody studied those supply would outstrip demand and salaries, and the quality of candidates, would plummet.

Not really. If you read any major scientific journals you'll probably come across articles like this and this decrying the stagnation of postdoctoral research in places like the United States, and the ever-growing figure of students with advanced degrees in science leaving the industry to go elsewhere for lack of work and lack of funding to do research.

Of course you don't really hear much about that in the popular press or here. People seem much more interested in the age-old circlejerk of dissing the humanities than actually having a real conversation about the place of academic credentials in the workplace.

It sounds like there's too many degrees and not enough work to justify the number of students in academia.

[Cannot think of a name]

I was talking more in the sense of the number of graduates in a given field outstripping the number of jobs available in said field.

Well in that case the students should do the research themselves. The number of jobs in a career is no secret. That is how the market is supposed to work. Though the market assumes people are rational and informed. And college degrees show that is not always the case.

I like this model. Every four years we get a glut of graduates for a field that was in demand four years ago.

[Equalaria]

Everyone can benefit from certain courses- reagardless of immediately jumping into an industry. Gender studies for example can enrich people's lives for the better, helping them grow as people- there's no industrial placement equivalency.

[Novus America]

Any of those jobs you could get, and would have a better chance getting with another degree though.

The following list of employers and job titles was derived from Advising & Career Services' jobs database where employers indicated an interest in recruiting students majoring in women, gender, & sexuality studies.

Indicated an interest means they just put it down on one list of degrees. For example Indian Health Service, Contract Specialist. I mean the government is really stupid. But surely a bussines major would be better for that. Or maybe that is why our government contracting is so fucked up. People who know nothing about contracting doing it.

Most of those jobs require real bussiness skills. Women's studies is not a skill.

[Cannot think of a name]

Indicated an interest means they just put it down on one list of degrees. For example Indian Health Service, Contract Specialist. I mean the government is really stupid. But surely a bussines major would be better for that. Or maybe that is why our government contracting is so fucked up. People who know nothing about contracting doing it.

Most of those jobs require real bussiness skills. Women's studies is not a skill.

The people doing the hiring on that list disagree. But you're right, I'll take the word of someone who spells business with four 's's over those doing the hiring, you clearly have a better handle on this.

Cheap shots aside, the question was "what does one do with a gender studies degree". This is a list of things, concrete actual job offers, that people do with a gender studies degree. If instead you want to make the degree into a dick measuring contest...you probably need to talk to someone who has a background in gender studies to discuss some issues...

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

Not really. If you read any major scientific journals you'll probably come across articles like this and this decrying the stagnation of postdoctoral research in places like the United States, and the ever-growing figure of students with advanced degrees in science leaving the industry to go elsewhere for lack of work and lack of funding to do research.

Of course you don't really hear much about that in the popular press or here. People seem much more interested in the age-old circlejerk of dissing the humanities than actually having a real conversation about the place of academic credentials in the workplace.

It sounds like there's too many degrees and not enough work to justify the number of students in academia.

No.

Postdoctoral fellows play a critical role in the research productivity of any country. Currently, the United States has a relatively strong postdoc infrastructure, offering higher salaries and more benefits than most other countries. Postdocs also have support from the National Postdoctoral Association (NPA) and postdoc offices in most American universities. However, limited growth in federal research funding during the last decade has made it increasingly hard for postdocs to find permanent jobs. The limited funding has also created a highly competitive environment for those who do find positions as principal investigators (PIs). Under constant pressure to produce high-impact papers and secure large grants, many PIs no longer invest adequate time and attention in the development of their postdocs, treating them instead as a skilled labor force.

...

In the U.S., on the other hand, the number of postdocs has not increased; federal funding has decreased approximately 0.2 percent per year, resulting in a total decline of 4.7 percent between 1993 and 2012; and the annual publication output has remained relatively constant. The relative difference in publication trends held true even when examining only those papers published in the high-impact journals Science and Nature.

“From 2010 through 2013, the most recent survey years, the postdoctoral population decreased from 40,970 to 38,719, a loss of 5.5%,” the October article states. The drop affected both genders and U.S. citizens as well as foreign postdocs. It resulted both from fewer people choosing to become postdocs and from those who did make that choice spending less time in the job. The group that showed the largest decline—10.4% over the period—was American men.

What is causing the change? Not “a decrease in qualified applicants, … a technical change in employment titles, [or] a diminished demand for postdocs,” the authors argue. Instead, they believe that more and more Ph.D.s are “making decisions to pursue other career options” after completing their degrees. For a young scientist with a new doctorate, “eschewing a postdoc reflects a rational response to a tight labor market with low compensation and uncertain prospects for success,” the authors write.

The 2014 National Academies report, as we’ve noted elsewhere, provides further strong support for the rationality of that decision. “[A]n increasing fraction [of postdocs] end up in nonacademic or non-research careers that do not require the years of advanced research training provided by the postdoctoral position,” it states, and “the sacrifices made by postdoctoral researchers in salary and benefits are not compensated later in their careers” outside of academe. Ex-postdocs who take nonacademic employment start out earning less than contemporaries who took jobs right after their Ph.D.s, and their incomes never catch up. “Employers appear to be sending a signal that the time spent in postdoctoral research is not valued in many job markets,” the report observes.

The fact that American men, long the demographic backbone of U.S. science faculties, are leading the way out of the postdoc is also suggestive. Research shows that, on average, income influences men’s career choices more strongly than women’s. This preference may explain why American men, who, unlike foreigners, have full access to the nation’s job market, appear especially likely to pursue other, presumably more lucrative and promising, possibilities.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I don't even know what jobs people could possibly get with the Gender Studies degree.

The following list of employers and job titles was derived from Advising & Career Services' jobs database where employers indicated an interest in recruiting students majoring in women, gender, & sexuality studies. This list does not reflect all potential places of employment or kinds of jobs for women, gender, & sexuality studies majors. This list does not reflect current openings.

AIT Laboratories – Account Manager/Account Executive
American Red Cross – Territory Representative
Aon Corporation – Early Career Development Program Associate
Book News – Editor
Capital Financial Planners – Associate Investment Advisor/Financial Planner
Cascadia Behavioral HealthCare – Behavioral Health Counselors
Cedar River Clinics — Health Services Supervisor
CollegeNET – Sales Assistant
Consolidated Federal Credit Union – Loan Servicing Specialist
Crafts Americana Groups – Product Line/Brand Manager
CTC Consulting – Research Analyst
De La Salle North Catholic High School – Development Director
De Paul Treatment Centers – Adult Milieu Counselor, Women's Residential Program Primary Counselor, Alumni Association Coordinator
Dunkin and Bush – Junior Estimator
ECONorthwest – Research Assistant
Frito-Lay – Sales Associate
Girl Scouts, Columbia River Council – Community Program Coordinator
Hacienda Community Development Corporation – Microenterprise Developer, Portland Mercado Project Associate
Indian Health Service – Contract Specialist
Inside Track – College Success Coach, College Admissions/Enrollment Coach
Integral Consulting – Document Processing Specialist
Intel – Strategic Program/Project Manager
Intercall – Event Specialist
IXL Learning – Educational Sales Consultant
Kaiser Permanente – Healthcare Data Analyst
Kaplan – Student Advisor
KeyBank Oregon – Management Associate
Kittelson & Associates – Project Management Assistant
Knowledge Universe – Customer Relationship Specialist
KOIN TV – News Director, Account Executive, Assignment Editor
Legacy Health System – Manager Employee Health
Lifeworks NW — Residential Care Facilitator
Listen to Kids — Business Manager/Office Administrator
Lutheran Community Services Northwest – New Youth Perspectives Bilingual Youth Specialist
McKenzie Books – Human Resources Administrator
Mercy Corps – Assistant Program Officer
METRO – Assistant Transportation Planner
Metropolitan Family Services – Family Involvement Coordinator, Assistant Transportation Planner
Morrison Center Child & Family Services — Night Residential Skills Specialist, Residential Skills Specialist
Oregon Food Bank – Appeals & Proposals Developer, Donor Services Coordinator, Statewide Services Coordinator, Public Policy Advocate, Major Donor Manager
Oregon Museum of Science & Industry – Executive Assistant (Development)
Outside In – Housing Specialist
Portland Business Alliance – Inside Sales Account Executive
Impact Northwest – Resident Services Coordinator 1
Portland VA Medical Center – Program Support Assistant, Research Assistant, Research Assistant 2
PSU Admissions, Registration, & Records – Admissions Counselor, Program Support Assistant
Schneider National – Fleet Manager
Sherwin Williams – Management/Sales Trainee
Sustainable Northwest – Policy Program Assistant
Susan G. Komen For the Cure — Presentation Coordinator
The Hertz Corporation – Management Trainee
The Nature Conservancy – Administrative Assistant
Thetus Corporation – Training Developer
Unitus Community Credit Union – Compliance Specialist
Urban League of Portland – Academic Coach
US Bank – Manager in Training, Relationship Manager
Waggener Edstrom Worldwide – Account Executive
Warm Springs Community Action Team – Healthy Foods Program Coordinator
Wieden + Kennedy – Macintosh Support Technician
YWCA of Greater Portland – Energy Assistance Coordinator

one sauce, picked randomly.

I can see two which are even remotely related to Women's Studies.

Stretching it, would be around 5 or 6.

The rest of them you can gain more useful skills in other undergrad programs. Also, Macintosh Support Technicians with Women Studies' majors?! What the hell kind of heresy is this?

Then again, you don't even need a college degree to be a Mac Support Tech anyways.

[Novus America]

Indicated an interest means they just put it down on one list of degrees. For example Indian Health Service, Contract Specialist. I mean the government is really stupid. But surely a bussines major would be better for that. Or maybe that is why our government contracting is so fucked up. People who know nothing about contracting doing it.

Most of those jobs require real bussiness skills. Women's studies is not a skill.

The people doing the hiring on that list disagree. But you're right, I'll take the word of someone who spells business with four 's's over those doing the hiring, you clearly have a better handle on this.

Cheap shots aside, the question was "what does one do with a gender studies degree". This is a list of things, concrete actual job offers, that people do with a gender studies degree. If instead you want to make the degree into a dick measuring contest...you probably need to talk to someone who has a background in gender studies to discuss some issues...

As if you have never made a spelling error typing on a phone. None of those said it was the most preferred degree, or on its own enough to get the job.

[Cannot think of a name]

one sauce, picked randomly.

I can see two which are even remotely related to Women's Studies.

Stretching it, would be around 5 or 6.

The rest of them you can gain more useful skills in other undergrad programs. Also, Macintosh Support Technicians with Women Studies' majors?! What the hell kind of heresy is this?

Then again, you don't even need a college degree to be a Mac Support Tech anyways.

The following list of employers and job titles was derived from Advising & Career Services' jobs database where employers indicated an interest in recruiting students majoring in women, gender, & sexuality studies.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Everyone can benefit from certain courses- reagardless of immediately jumping into an industry. Gender studies for example can enrich people's lives for the better, helping them grow as people- there's no industrial placement equivalency.

In all honestly, this is the correct answer for gender studies, to a certain degree.

I still think there's no need for it at the undergraduate level, myself, because it's fucking redundant with sociology at that level. But I can sympathize with the sentiment behind the post.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I can see two which are even remotely related to Women's Studies.

Stretching it, would be around 5 or 6.

The rest of them you can gain more useful skills in other undergrad programs. Also, Macintosh Support Technicians with Women Studies' majors?! What the hell kind of heresy is this?

Then again, you don't even need a college degree to be a Mac Support Tech anyways.

The following list of employers and job titles was derived from Advising & Career Services' jobs database where employers indicated an interest in recruiting students majoring in women, gender, & sexuality studies.

That means absolutely nothing.

You can express interest in recruiting students majoring in IT for all these jobs too, doesn't mean you're going to get them if someone more qualified shows up. Especially for the more technical jobs in that list, you want someone who knows something about technology, and very few people go to college already knowing a lot about technology and picking a major like Women's Studies anyways.

[Dameth]

Girl Scouts, Columbia River Council – Community Program Coordinator
one sauce, picked randomly.

Girl Scouts, Columbia River Council – Community Program Coordinator

I guess it's...something ?

Seriously, gender studies is not a major in most univerity programs. Most of the times it's a minor one can choose to complete their program. That's litterally how it ought to be. I followed those courses during my education, volonteeraly mind you, they are not that bad, but never someone should make them their main focus.

[Unified Governments]

How will the world manage without gender studies?

[Cannot think of a name]

The people doing the hiring on that list disagree. But you're right, I'll take the word of someone who spells business with four 's's over those doing the hiring, you clearly have a better handle on this.

Cheap shots aside, the question was "what does one do with a gender studies degree". This is a list of things, concrete actual job offers, that people do with a gender studies degree. If instead you want to make the degree into a dick measuring contest...you probably need to talk to someone who has a background in gender studies to discuss some issues...

As if you have never made a spelling error typing on a phone.

Not generally the same one over and over again, but this is hardly the point.

None of those said it was the most preferred degree, or on its own enough to get the job.

Again, the question put forth was 'what does one do with a gender studies degree', this is a list of concrete actual job offers where there is a stated preference for people with a gender studies degree. No one has suggested that any degree is enough to get you a job on its own, so I don't know why that's where you decided to put your goalposts, and whether or not it's the 'most preferred' is arbitrarily assigned and relatively silly. The question has been answered, these are just a sampling of the things one does with a gender studies degree. I'm sorry that it doesn't fit the narrative of 'nothing' that was being sold, but shifting around the criteria will not change the fact that people with gender studies degrees are in fact sought after by people doing hiring despite what people on the internet think.

[Dameth]

How will the world manage without gender studies?

Gender studies could be a wonderful thing, if it wasn't drilled to its core by political activists. Wait a few years, when MGTOW is taught into those classes, that will become interesting. Gender dynamics or "how the gender interract with each other" will become a major field of studies when it is stripped off its political background

[Soldati Senza Confini]

As if you have never made a spelling error typing on a phone.

Not generally the same one over and over again, but this is hardly the point.

None of those said it was the most preferred degree, or on its own enough to get the job.

Again, the question put forth was 'what does one do with a gender studies degree', this is a list of concrete actual job offers where there is a stated preference for people with a gender studies degree. No one has suggested that any degree is enough to get you a job on its own, so I don't know why that's where you decided to put your goalposts, and whether or not it's the 'most preferred' is arbitrarily assigned and relatively silly. The question has been answered, these are just a sampling of the things one does with a gender studies degree. I'm sorry that it doesn't fit the narrative of 'nothing' that was being sold, but shifting around the criteria will not change the fact that people with gender studies degrees are in fact sought after by people doing hiring despite what people on the internet think.

The fact is that a degree unrelated in what you are trying to do is almost always useless though.

There's nothing in the business world that translates to what a Gender Studies degree teaches you. Same as there's nothing in the business world that directly translates to what a History degree teaches you. You have to compensate with other skills and certifications in order for your liberal arts degree to matter in other areas like communication and research skills.

[Cannot think of a name]

That means absolutely nothing.

Yeah, it's common for hiring people to put in a joke option because sifting through resumes is super fun and why not list a preference that you don't actually have.

Are you guys this fucking desperate to retain a bullshit narrative? Jesus Christ.

You can express interest in recruiting students majoring in IT for all these jobs too, doesn't mean you're going to get them if someone more qualified shows up. Especially for the more technical jobs in that list, you want someone who knows something about technology, and very few people go to college already knowing a lot about technology and picking a major like Women's Studies anyways.

Any dipshit can read a manual, you don't need an IT person to just use a computer.

[Cannot think of a name]

Not generally the same one over and over again, but this is hardly the point.

Again, the question put forth was 'what does one do with a gender studies degree', this is a list of concrete actual job offers where there is a stated preference for people with a gender studies degree. No one has suggested that any degree is enough to get you a job on its own, so I don't know why that's where you decided to put your goalposts, and whether or not it's the 'most preferred' is arbitrarily assigned and relatively silly. The question has been answered, these are just a sampling of the things one does with a gender studies degree. I'm sorry that it doesn't fit the narrative of 'nothing' that was being sold, but shifting around the criteria will not change the fact that people with gender studies degrees are in fact sought after by people doing hiring despite what people on the internet think.

The fact is that a degree unrelated in what you are trying to do is almost always useless though.

This is not actually a fact.

There's nothing in the business world that translates to what a Gender Studies degree teaches you.

This list of businesses asking for a gender studies degree disagrees with you.

Same as there's nothing in the business world that directly translates to what a History degree teaches you.

No research and analysis is done in business.

You have to compensate with other skills and certifications in order for your liberal arts degree to matter in other areas like communication and research skills.

This sentence collapses in on itself.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

That means absolutely nothing.

Yeah, it's common for hiring people to put in a joke option because sifting through resumes is super fun and why not list a preference that you don't actually have.

Are you guys this fucking desperate to retain a bullshit narrative? Jesus Christ.

You can express interest in recruiting students majoring in IT for all these jobs too, doesn't mean you're going to get them if someone more qualified shows up. Especially for the more technical jobs in that list, you want someone who knows something about technology, and very few people go to college already knowing a lot about technology and picking a major like Women's Studies anyways.

Any dipshit can read a manual, you don't need an IT person to just use a computer.

This undermines your own narrative.

If any dipshit can read a manual, then what you are saying is that Gender Studies majors are dipshits. Which only reinforces my point that in some of the things in this list you don't even need a college degree anyways. They could be better off just working since they are 18 years of age instead of wasting their time and money in college if all they're going to get is a tech support position. They'll get further ahead than wasting 4 years of their life on college to end up doing the same thing.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

Are you guys this fucking desperate to retain a bullshit narrative? Jesus Christ.

Like I said, people are way more interested in maintaining the 'academics as ivory tower gravy train' narrative than actually having a conversation about the place of academia in society.

[Cannot think of a name]

Yeah, it's common for hiring people to put in a joke option because sifting through resumes is super fun and why not list a preference that you don't actually have.

Are you guys this fucking desperate to retain a bullshit narrative? Jesus Christ.

Any dipshit can read a manual, you don't need an IT person to just use a computer.

This undermines your own narrative.

If any dipshit can read a manual, then what you are saying is that Gender Studies majors are dipshits.

Are...are you new to language?

Which only reinforces my point that in some of the things in this list you don't even need a college degree anyways. They could be better off just working since they are 18 years of age instead of wasting their time and money in college if all they're going to get is a tech support position.

Okay. There's a point where someone's argument becomes so silly and desperate that it's time to pat them on the head and go, "Sure, sure..." and move on.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Are you guys this fucking desperate to retain a bullshit narrative? Jesus Christ.

Like I said, people are way more interested in maintaining the 'academics as ivory tower gravy train' narrative than actually having a conversation about the place of academia in society.

I don't have a problem with academia in society.

However, if your major is going to get you a job for 10 dollars an hour then what the fuck are you doing going to college and wasting 4 years of your life if you're going to be in the same spot as if you were 18 years old and never gone to college anyways?