Jail university officials who sell career-useless majors?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

This undermines your own narrative.

If any dipshit can read a manual, then what you are saying is that Gender Studies majors are dipshits.

Are...are you new to language?

Which only reinforces my point that in some of the things in this list you don't even need a college degree anyways. They could be better off just working since they are 18 years of age instead of wasting their time and money in college if all they're going to get is a tech support position.

Okay. There's a point where someone's argument becomes so silly and desperate that it's time to pat them on the head and go, "Sure, sure..." and move on.

Because you desperately need a gender studies major in order to read a prompt and get help from a manual.

I'm not the one desperately trying to defend liberal arts majors (even though my degree is in liberal arts). You are. I might agree that liberal arts majors make you a well rounded person and all of that shit, I might even agree with someone who goes to college for one of those degrees because it's easier for them so they can focus on other things they really want. But if all your argument boils down to is "but jobs are out there!" and give me a list of things that have nothing to do with your degree, don't cry wolf when I point out that the degree is worthless if we match it to job openings and that you do need other skills for the jobs you're going to be getting, or that If this is the future of someone going to college for 4 years they might as well not go to college.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

I don't have a problem with academia in society.

And yet you're buying into a narrative about knowledge-as-job-credential created by people who hate academia and actively are seeking to dismantle it. Why is that?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I don't have a problem with academia in society.

And yet you're buying into a narrative about knowledge-as-job-credential created by people who hate academia and actively are seeking to dismantle it. Why is that?

Because it depends on what your goals are.

I took a history major not because I want a career in history. I just took it because it was the fastest track out of what I thought was an unwise plan of action I took and bit me in the ass in the middle of my academic career, and it's easier for me to read books and write essays and pass classes while focusing on the shit that really is going to get me money, which is working in computers. Admittedly, it also helped me with my speech problems since I took enough speech electives where I developed good speech habits.

I am not saying that knowledge in liberal arts majors is bad, but the notion that your major is going to translate into a job needs to fucking disappear.

If your goal is to learn more, have a good time in college and possibly focus on other things while taking a bullshit major, then yea, it works fine. The knowledge is not useless, but the degree is if you're thinking you're going to make money with it. More than likely you're not going to make money with it.

In other words, if your goal is to earn more money with a degree, and you think degrees do not matter, that as long as you get a degree you will be fine, then you're in college for the wrong reasons, because your degree is worth absolutely jack shit. If your goal however is to gain knowledge and to be a well-rounded individual then college is not a waste for you, because you're going to college with the right frame of mind.

That's a decision you have to make on your own about which is more important. If money is more important to you then pick a path that's going to be viable that can make you some money, if you have to go to college to get there do it. But if knowledge in a specific topic is more important to you then go to college, you're not going to regret it regardless of what you do.

Do I believe some degrees need to go like Gender Studies? Yea, but that's because it sounds to me like a glorified specialty within sociology, and you might as well take sociology at the undergrad and then take gender studies at the postgrad level. But that has nothing to do with it being worthless, it's simply redundant in my opinion to have two distinct sociology programs, only one with a glorified title.

[UCE Watchdog of the Puppets]

If you think universities are job credential factories and want to make that belief reality...
I dislike you.
If you commit fraud...I dislike you.

[Romakivila]

No, if people waste their time it's their fault, not the teacher's.

[Bufett and Colbert]

[...] But if all your argument boils down to is "but jobs are out there!" and give me a list of things that have nothing to do with your degree, don't cry wolf when I point out that the degree is worthless [...]

If you don't understand why employers would want college grads with a background in gender studies, that's just evidence of why the world needs more gender studies majors.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

[...] But if all your argument boils down to is "but jobs are out there!" and give me a list of things that have nothing to do with your degree, don't cry wolf when I point out that the degree is worthless [...]

If you don't understand why employers would want college grads with a background in gender studies, that's just evidence of why the world needs more gender studies majors.

I can see why employers would want college grads with a background in gender studies in, say, HR.

I don't see the same case in, say, technical support.

[Sack Jackpot Winners]

No. If the supplier fulfilled their obligation then there's no problem.

[Individual Concerns]

It sounds like there's too many degrees and not enough work to justify the number of students in academia.

Ever wonder why university enjoys the longest sharpest uninterrupted hockey stick income graphic out of any industry anywhere?

You just tripped over one element, with the other being dramatic public subsidization.

The trend is unsustainable, which is why the more entrenched career educators and students are bleating about free tuition.

[Greater Orensta]

So gender studies?

[MERIZoC]

Remember kids, you should only want to learn things if it can get you a 9-5 job in a cubicle. Isn't capitalism wonderful?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Remember kids, you should only want to learn things if it can get you a 9-5 job in a cubicle. Isn't capitalism wonderful?

I'm learning things to actually not have to work in a 9-5 job in a cubicle. I fucking hate cubicles.

Then again I've always had problems sitting down still.

[Greed and Death]

Yes, imprison all philosophy, anthropology, history and gender studies professors. Their crime? Teaching useless topics. Their punishment? Death*

*The legal way, almighty mods.

Dang it that was my line.

[USS Monitor]

We already have more than enough people in jail, and some people want to study reasons other than to get a more profitable job. As long as the universities aren't outright lying, it's fine.

[Kubra]

Do I believe some degrees need to go like Gender Studies? Yea, but that's because it sounds to me like a glorified specialty within sociology, and you might as well take sociology at the undergrad and then take gender studies at the postgrad level. But that has nothing to do with it being worthless, it's simply redundant in my opinion to have two distinct sociology programs, only one with a glorified title.

When "X Studies", be it gender or urban or postcolonial or whatever sort come into being, it's because the study and approach tends to overlap with multiple departments. What unifies gender studies is not methodology or scope, but simply its focus on gender. That ain't soci bruv, we're a more specific sort than that.

[Community Values]

I really doubt anything is "career-useless", as anything can be turned into a career. I mean, look at all the bloggers that are scrapping by with their gender studies majors.

[Conserative Morality]

I don't have a problem with academia in society.

However, if your major is going to get you a job for 10 dollars an hour then what the fuck are you doing going to college and wasting 4 years of your life if you're going to be in the same spot as if you were 18 years old and never gone to college anyways?

To become a better citizen. A better, more rounded person. A more adaptable and aware individual. Take your pick.

[Vettrera]

Liberal Arts degrees aren't inherently useless, and combining them with a large amount of internships or business education/experience can actually make you a more attractive candidate. The value of your education will depend on a lot more than just the specific major youre studying.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I don't have a problem with academia in society.

However, if your major is going to get you a job for 10 dollars an hour then what the fuck are you doing going to college and wasting 4 years of your life if you're going to be in the same spot as if you were 18 years old and never gone to college anyways?

To become a better citizen. A better, more rounded person. A more adaptable and aware individual. Take your pick.

And all of those are fine and dandy. But the main gripe I have with people is that they try to make it more than that.

I understand the need to defend your particular major and say "no it isn't useless!". And yes, it isn't useless to you, but it won't make you money. That's not what you should be banking going to college for. If that's what you were banking when you decided to take a 4 year degree and in the end you end up working for 10 bucks an hour, then you went to college and wasted 4 years of your life.

[Vettrera]

To become a better citizen. A better, more rounded person. A more adaptable and aware individual. Take your pick.

And all of those are fine and dandy. But the main gripe I have with people is that they try to make it more than that.

I understand the need to defend your particular major and say "no it isn't useless!". And yes, it isn't useless to you, but it won't make you money. That's not what you should be banking going to college for. If that's what you were banking when you decided to take a 4 year degree and in the end you end up working for 10 bucks an hour, then you went to college and wasted 4 years of your life.

I think the issue is that a lot of people don't plan ahead. They feel pressured to attend college, fuck around, change majors, and then end up with some random degree. It's really not hard at all to get a job as a Communications major or Creative Writing or really anything, as long as you plan things out so that isn't the only thing on your resume. Pick up a corporate-oriented major/minor, look for valid internships, and it won't be hard to make a pivot towards working in something like marketing.

[Kubra]

And all of those are fine and dandy. But the main gripe I have with people is that they try to make it more than that.

I understand the need to defend your particular major and say "no it isn't useless!". And yes, it isn't useless to you, but it won't make you money. That's not what you should be banking going to college for. If that's what you were banking when you decided to take a 4 year degree and in the end you end up working for 10 bucks an hour, then you went to college and wasted 4 years of your life.

I think the issue is that a lot of people don't plan ahead. They feel pressured to attend college, fuck around, change majors, and then end up with some random degree. It's really not hard at all to get a job as a Communications major or Creative Writing or really anything, as long as you plan things out so that isn't the only thing on your resume. Pick up a corporate-oriented major/minor, look for valid internships, and it won't be hard to make a pivot towards working in something like marketing.

communications majors have to have twitters tho
real deal breaker right there

[Liriena]

So... supress fields of study because they are not profitable?

Yeah, no. You keep that filthy instrumentalism away from my sciences.

[MERIZoC]

To become a better citizen. A better, more rounded person. A more adaptable and aware individual. Take your pick.

And all of those are fine and dandy. But the main gripe I have with people is that they try to make it more than that.

I understand the need to defend your particular major and say "no it isn't useless!". And yes, it isn't useless to you, but it won't make you money. That's not what you should be banking going to college for. If that's what you were banking when you decided to take a 4 year degree and in the end you end up working for 10 bucks an hour, then you went to college and wasted 4 years of your life.

Its not as if there aren't any jobs in liberal arts at all. And on the flip side, I'm sure you'll find a few business majors working 10 bucks an hour too. Life isn't so predictable. I don't think anyone is claiming that straight out of university everyone will get a 60k job with their history degree, but jobs do exist.

[Neutraligon]

I said major, not M.D.

You go to med school for becoming a doctor which most definitely qualifies as a graduate program because you need to graduate from something in college anyways before applying to med school, not to a 4 year undergraduate program.

But for instance, many undergraduate students don't actually take pre-med majors because they're useless for med school admissions. They take something like biology, chemistry, or biochemistry, even though their career is not going to be in biology, chemistry, or biochemistry itself.

Well they are still degrees. Okay nursing then, as that is undergrad. Law and Doctor are consider combined secondary and tertiary level degrees. You can get a useless undergrad and still go into them in theory. But it is smart to get a undergrad that actually helps. Like a lot of doctors do pre med or biology. Law any degree requiring a lot of reading, reseach and analysis and writing helps.

engineering is another.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And all of those are fine and dandy. But the main gripe I have with people is that they try to make it more than that.

I understand the need to defend your particular major and say "no it isn't useless!". And yes, it isn't useless to you, but it won't make you money. That's not what you should be banking going to college for. If that's what you were banking when you decided to take a 4 year degree and in the end you end up working for 10 bucks an hour, then you went to college and wasted 4 years of your life.

Its not as if there aren't any jobs in liberal arts at all. And on the flip side, I'm sure you'll find a few business majors working 10 bucks an hour too. Life isn't so predictable. I don't think anyone is claiming that straight out of university everyone will get a 60k job with their history degree, but jobs do exist.

Hence why the "if" in that sentence.

If you are in college, or are going to go to college, with the expectation that you'll end up earning a high income right out of college, then that's a fiction.