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by Kalosia » Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:40 am
by Frank Zipper » Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:44 am
by Felrik » Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:45 am
Kalosia wrote:IMO a major to a career is like a set of paint to a painting. It may help immensely but it's not necessarily the only way to get there; it's what you make of it that counts.
Besides, even useful majors don't guarantee you a related career. My english teacher in my senior year of high school majored in business, but that didn't stop him from becoming an... english teacher. Or was it chemistry he majored in? I forgot. The point is, he didn't major in the English language despite his job.
by Teemant » Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:52 am
by Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:05 am
Purpelia wrote:To be fair, I can sort of agree on the gender studies thing. Like what is that supposed to even be? And how is it anything but a subset of sociology? It certainly does not sound valuable or broad enough to warrant a separation from general sociology.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:08 am
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by Kalosia » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:02 am
Felrik wrote:Kalosia wrote:IMO a major to a career is like a set of paint to a painting. It may help immensely but it's not necessarily the only way to get there; it's what you make of it that counts.
Besides, even useful majors don't guarantee you a related career. My english teacher in my senior year of high school majored in business, but that didn't stop him from becoming an... english teacher. Or was it chemistry he majored in? I forgot. The point is, he didn't major in the English language despite his job.
It just gives people a higher chance and more job opportunities doesn't it?
by Vassenor » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:14 am
by Individual Concerns » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:18 am
Bufett and Colbert wrote:Useless is in the eye of the degree holder.
by Novus America » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:19 am
Vassenor wrote:Isn't it basically an accepted fact that having a degree doesn't actually make it easier for you to get a job?
by Uxupox » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:20 am
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Also, let's not kid ourselves here, no major guarantees a career in said major, so in a way every major is career-useless.
It's what you do while in college and afterwards that defines your career in the job market, not just how pretty your degree looks.
Vassenor wrote:Isn't it basically an accepted fact that having a degree doesn't actually make it easier for you to get a job?
by Uxupox » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:20 am
Novus America wrote:Vassenor wrote:Isn't it basically an accepted fact that having a degree doesn't actually make it easier for you to get a job?
Depends on the job. Having a law degree makes it easier to get a job a lawyer. As you need one to get the job at all. Same with nurses, doctors etc.
Some degrees howver are of limited to no ultimate though. Like Women's studies and the like. We should not ban them. But we should stop providing any government funding or support for them. If somebody wants a useless degree fine. But the public should not pay for it.
by The Serbian Empire » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:22 am
Kannap wrote:Speaking as a college student, it's the student's place to research the current job market as well as the projected job market in five years to determine if their major is going to get them anywhere.
by Vassenor » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:22 am
Novus America wrote:Vassenor wrote:Isn't it basically an accepted fact that having a degree doesn't actually make it easier for you to get a job?
Depends on the job. Having a law degree makes it easier to get a job a lawyer. As you need one to get the job at all. Same with nurses, doctors etc.
Some degrees howver are of limited to no ultimate though. Like Women's studies and the like. We should not ban them. But we should stop providing any government funding or support for them. If somebody wants a useless degree fine. But the public should not pay for it.
by Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:22 am
Novus America wrote:Vassenor wrote:Isn't it basically an accepted fact that having a degree doesn't actually make it easier for you to get a job?
Depends on the job. Having a law degree makes it easier to get a job a lawyer. As you need one to get the job at all. Same with nurses, doctors etc.
Some degrees howver are of limited to no ultimate though. Like Women's studies and the like. We should not ban them. But we should stop providing any government funding or support for them. If somebody wants a useless degree fine. But the public should not pay for it.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:23 am
Uxupox wrote:Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Also, let's not kid ourselves here, no major guarantees a career in said major, so in a way every major is career-useless.
It's what you do while in college and afterwards that defines your career in the job market, not just how pretty your degree looks.
Unless your a doctor. :^)
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by Uxupox » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:29 am
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I said major, not M.D.
You go to med school for becoming a doctor which most definitely qualifies as a graduate program because you need to graduate from something in college anyways before applying to med school, not to a 4 year undergraduate program.
But for instance, many undergraduate students don't actually take pre-med majors because they're useless for med school admissions. They take something like biology, chemistry, or biochemistry, even though their career is not going to be in biology, chemistry, or biochemistry itself.
by The Serbian Empire » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:29 am
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Novus America wrote:
Depends on the job. Having a law degree makes it easier to get a job a lawyer. As you need one to get the job at all. Same with nurses, doctors etc.
Some degrees howver are of limited to no ultimate though. Like Women's studies and the like. We should not ban them. But we should stop providing any government funding or support for them. If somebody wants a useless degree fine. But the public should not pay for it.
The problem with majors like Women's Studies is that they sound more like specializations of sociology.
We don't need an entire fucking major to teach something so narrowly specific as to ignore sociology in general.
I'd say provide support for high degrees in Women's Studies while gutting out the undergrad programs on the subject. They're useless.
by Freefall11111 » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:29 am
by Novus America » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:30 am
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I said major, not M.D.
You go to med school for becoming a doctor which most definitely qualifies as a graduate program because you need to graduate from something in college anyways before applying to med school, not to a 4 year undergraduate program.
But for instance, many undergraduate students don't actually take pre-med majors because they're useless for med school admissions. They take something like biology, chemistry, or biochemistry, even though their career is not going to be in biology, chemistry, or biochemistry itself.
by Novus America » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:32 am
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Novus America wrote:
Depends on the job. Having a law degree makes it easier to get a job a lawyer. As you need one to get the job at all. Same with nurses, doctors etc.
Some degrees howver are of limited to no ultimate though. Like Women's studies and the like. We should not ban them. But we should stop providing any government funding or support for them. If somebody wants a useless degree fine. But the public should not pay for it.
The problem with majors like Women's Studies is that they sound more like specializations of sociology.
We don't need an entire fucking major to teach something so narrowly specific as to ignore sociology in general.
I'd say provide support for high degrees in Women's Studies while gutting out the undergrad programs on the subject. They're useless.
by Cannot think of a name » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:32 am
Felrik wrote:Purpelia wrote:To be fair, I can sort of agree on the gender studies thing. Like what is that supposed to even be? And how is it anything but a subset of sociology? It certainly does not sound valuable or broad enough to warrant a separation from general sociology.
I don't even know what jobs people could possibly get with the Gender Studies degree.
The following list of employers and job titles was derived from Advising & Career Services' jobs database where employers indicated an interest in recruiting students majoring in women, gender, & sexuality studies. This list does not reflect all potential places of employment or kinds of jobs for women, gender, & sexuality studies majors. This list does not reflect current openings.
AIT Laboratories – Account Manager/Account Executive
American Red Cross – Territory Representative
Aon Corporation – Early Career Development Program Associate
Book News – Editor
Capital Financial Planners – Associate Investment Advisor/Financial Planner
Cascadia Behavioral HealthCare – Behavioral Health Counselors
Cedar River Clinics — Health Services Supervisor
CollegeNET – Sales Assistant
Consolidated Federal Credit Union – Loan Servicing Specialist
Crafts Americana Groups – Product Line/Brand Manager
CTC Consulting – Research Analyst
De La Salle North Catholic High School – Development Director
De Paul Treatment Centers – Adult Milieu Counselor, Women's Residential Program Primary Counselor, Alumni Association Coordinator
Dunkin and Bush – Junior Estimator
ECONorthwest – Research Assistant
Frito-Lay – Sales Associate
Girl Scouts, Columbia River Council – Community Program Coordinator
Hacienda Community Development Corporation – Microenterprise Developer, Portland Mercado Project Associate
Indian Health Service – Contract Specialist
Inside Track – College Success Coach, College Admissions/Enrollment Coach
Integral Consulting – Document Processing Specialist
Intel – Strategic Program/Project Manager
Intercall – Event Specialist
IXL Learning – Educational Sales Consultant
Kaiser Permanente – Healthcare Data Analyst
Kaplan – Student Advisor
KeyBank Oregon – Management Associate
Kittelson & Associates – Project Management Assistant
Knowledge Universe – Customer Relationship Specialist
KOIN TV – News Director, Account Executive, Assignment Editor
Legacy Health System – Manager Employee Health
Lifeworks NW — Residential Care Facilitator
Listen to Kids — Business Manager/Office Administrator
Lutheran Community Services Northwest – New Youth Perspectives Bilingual Youth Specialist
McKenzie Books – Human Resources Administrator
Mercy Corps – Assistant Program Officer
METRO – Assistant Transportation Planner
Metropolitan Family Services – Family Involvement Coordinator, Assistant Transportation Planner
Morrison Center Child & Family Services — Night Residential Skills Specialist, Residential Skills Specialist
Oregon Food Bank – Appeals & Proposals Developer, Donor Services Coordinator, Statewide Services Coordinator, Public Policy Advocate, Major Donor Manager
Oregon Museum of Science & Industry – Executive Assistant (Development)
Outside In – Housing Specialist
Portland Business Alliance – Inside Sales Account Executive
Impact Northwest – Resident Services Coordinator 1
Portland VA Medical Center – Program Support Assistant, Research Assistant, Research Assistant 2
PSU Admissions, Registration, & Records – Admissions Counselor, Program Support Assistant
Schneider National – Fleet Manager
Sherwin Williams – Management/Sales Trainee
Sustainable Northwest – Policy Program Assistant
Susan G. Komen For the Cure — Presentation Coordinator
The Hertz Corporation – Management Trainee
The Nature Conservancy – Administrative Assistant
Thetus Corporation – Training Developer
Unitus Community Credit Union – Compliance Specialist
Urban League of Portland – Academic Coach
US Bank – Manager in Training, Relationship Manager
Waggener Edstrom Worldwide – Account Executive
Warm Springs Community Action Team – Healthy Foods Program Coordinator
Wieden + Kennedy – Macintosh Support Technician
YWCA of Greater Portland – Energy Assistance Coordinator
by Bogdanov Vishniac » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:32 am
Frank Zipper wrote:There are subjects, like STEM, that there is a predictable demand for, but if everybody studied those supply would outstrip demand and salaries, and the quality of candidates, would plummet.
by Novus America » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:35 am
Vassenor wrote:Novus America wrote:
Depends on the job. Having a law degree makes it easier to get a job a lawyer. As you need one to get the job at all. Same with nurses, doctors etc.
Some degrees howver are of limited to no ultimate though. Like Women's studies and the like. We should not ban them. But we should stop providing any government funding or support for them. If somebody wants a useless degree fine. But the public should not pay for it.
I was talking more in the sense of the number of graduates in a given field outstripping the number of jobs available in said field.
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