The idea of white guilt is stupid.

[Germany and Prussia]

For one reason and one reason only and that is that you aren't responsible for your ancestors actions.
Frankly people today have no reason and should not feel guilty for what has been done in the past. It has nothing to do with them.
To feel guilty over something that you had nothing to do with and took place decades or centuries before you were born, is in my opinion just stupid.

[Souseiseki]

are you proud of your history, germany and prussia? seems like a pretty nationalist name.

[Infected Mushroom]

For one reason and one reason only and that is that you aren't responsible for your ancestors actions.
Frankly people today have no reason and should not feel guilty for what has been done in the past. It has nothing to do with them.
To feel guilty over something that you had nothing to do with and took place decades or centuries before you were born, is in my opinion just stupid.

Absolutely correct. There's no reason to feel guilty about being white. In fact, its fantastic.

[Germany and Prussia]

are you proud of your history, germany and prussia? seems like a pretty nationalist name.

I am not German.

But no i am not proud of my countries history because it had nothing to do with me.

Pride over something that you had nothing to do with is also stupid.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Indeed it is.

[Yugoslav Memes]

*any form of racial guilt

[Aelex]

are you proud of your history, germany and prussia? seems like a pretty nationalist name.

The point being?
You know you can be proud of your Nation's achievement will still acknowledging you played no personnal part in it, right?

[Minzerland]

[Jochizyd Republic]

White Pride is Good as long as it doesn't come with denegration of other races.

[Cetacea]

An example for you

80 years ago my great great grandmother entrusted a treasured heirloom to her Lawyer who agreed to hold in in safe keeping. That lawyer illegally went and sold the heirloom to a 'collector', the collector subsequently sold the heirloom to another collector and eventually it got to a museum.
This theft was not discovered until after the lawyer died and my grandmothers family tried to recover their property. It then took 60 years to trace who the heirloom had been onsold to (twice) until it was found to be in possession of a museum on the other side of the country.

So the question who is the rightful owner of the heirloom? and who is responsible for the initial theft?
Does the museum have a right to keep it or should it be returned?

[Minzerland]

An example for you

80 years ago my great great grandmother entrusted a treasured heirloom to her Lawyer who agreed to hold in in safe keeping. That lawyer illegally went and sold the heirloom to a 'collector', the collector subsequently sold the heirloom to another collector and eventually it got to a museum.
This theft was not discovered until after the lawyer died and my grandmothers family tried to recover their property. It then took 60 years to trace who the heirloom had been onsold to (twice) until it was found to be in possession of a museum on the other side of the country.

So the question who is the rightful owner of the heirloom? and who is responsible for the initial theft?
Does the museum have a right to keep it or should it be returned?

How is this relevant?

[Vassenor]

An example for you

80 years ago my great great grandmother entrusted a treasured heirloom to her Lawyer who agreed to hold in in safe keeping. That lawyer illegally went and sold the heirloom to a 'collector', the collector subsequently sold the heirloom to another collector and eventually it got to a museum.
This theft was not discovered until after the lawyer died and my grandmothers family tried to recover their property. It then took 60 years to trace who the heirloom had been onsold to (twice) until it was found to be in possession of a museum on the other side of the country.

So the question who is the rightful owner of the heirloom? and who is responsible for the initial theft?
Does the museum have a right to keep it or should it be returned?

How is this relevant?

Because the same scenario basically applies to most of the stuff in places like the British Museum.

[Minzerland]

How is this relevant?

Because the same scenario basically applies to most of the stuff in places like the British Museum.

How is that relevant to the topic?

[Mefpan]

Ancestry should not be used to determine a person's worth or rights. Past crimes will never justify present crimes. The hell am I supposed to do after being punished for daring to be white when people in the past were white and happened to be assholes? Make sure my children go on to kick your children in order to feed the cycle of hate further?

Because the same scenario basically applies to most of the stuff in places like the British Museum.

In terms of historically relevant objects that were taken by people a century or more in the past as trophies, memorabilia or the like, I'd advocate for museum partnerships and showing off the exhibits abroad if their condition allows for transportation, stuff like that.
But in general, with the state of many nations these things originally came from, I'd be very worried about the condition of these historical artifacts if they're returned.

[Polosnia]

ITT: Off-topic questions, for some reason.

[South-East Antarctica]

For one reason and one reason only and that is that you aren't responsible for your ancestors actions.
Frankly people today have no reason and should not feel guilty for what has been done in the past. It has nothing to do with them.
To feel guilty over something that you had nothing to do with and took place decades or centuries before you were born, is in my opinion just stupid.

Correct.

[HMS Vanguard]

It is not absurd to feel guilt for your ancestors, as your ancestors are part of you. It is not absurd to feel pride for them either. Neither your ancestors' accomplishments nor crimes define you fully, perhaps not even much, but they are part of you.

What is absurd is to regret founding America or Australia on the dirt heaps that existed before. Those are spectacular countries, that ennoble man, and their creators therefore ennobled man. You might as well regret the passing of Homo erectus or the Stegodon.

[Risottia]

*any form of racial guilt

*any form of collective guilt/shame/pride. Responsibility is individual.

[Risottia]

(Image)

Liar. You aren't white, you're pink!

[Radiatia]

It's an absolutely ludicrous idea. Half my ancestors conquered the other half of my ancestors, only to then be captured and eaten by a different set of ancestors.

I don't even know what to feel about that, other than that if my own parents barely represent who I am, how the hell do a bunch of ancestors I've never met or heard of represent me? They don't.

[Petrolheadia]

I also think it is stupid, as people should be guilty of their own actions, not actions of someone mildly related to them.

[Minzerland]

(Image)

Liar. You aren't white, you're pink!

Pffft. I stay indoors all day, I look like I have Albinism minus the white hair and red eyes. Haha

[HMS Vanguard]

It's an absolutely ludicrous idea. Half my ancestors conquered the other half of my ancestors, only to then be captured and eaten by a different set of ancestors.

I don't even know what to feel about that, other than that if my own parents barely represent who I am, how the hell do a bunch of ancestors I've never met or heard of represent me? They don't.

You're an utterly minuscule fraction of all possible genetic combinations that could have existed; almost all species that led to you will have established themselves by harming other species, where not by outright genocide.

Either we can judge that all life is evil, or we drop the notion that this sort of behaviour is intrinsically wrong.

[Cetacea]

Because the same scenario basically applies to most of the stuff in places like the British Museum.

How is that relevant to the topic?

because nobody is asking you to be guilty, they are asking you to be responsible for the present situation caused by your ancestors actions

[Madain Chrycitrine]

i mean.... you're right, it is, but you're not really understanding why. the idea behind actively fighting racism is that historical events have effects that help some people while disadvantaging others; if you're one of the people who have benefitted off the backs of others who still suffer from the effects of those same historical events then working to alleviate that suffering is just kind of what it means to be a good person. if you own a liquor store and you live near a native american reservation that's struggled with a drinking problem ever since the federal government outlawed water there in the early 1900s, you should maybe acknowledge that as a problem and work out a solution. guilt's just annoying, not productive or what anyone wants. it's just something racists accuse non-white people of wanting so that they can mischaracterise their demands and keep being unrepentant racists.