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Who Do You Support in the 2016 Election?

Hillary Rodham Clinton (Democrat)
376
37%
Donald J. Trump (Republican)
277
27%
Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
159
16%
Jill Stein (Green)
104
10%
Undecided
40
4%
Other
57
6%
 
Total votes : 1013

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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:49 pm

Clinton has withdrawn from the race citing health concerns after fainting at the 9/11 memorial and going to the hospital.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11-EAzsGxgQ
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Postby AmericanEmpire1 » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:50 pm

Hittanryan wrote:

You had to go back a month and a half to find that. They've been running daily hit pieces on Clinton for weeks now. There's never been a single credible source about Clinton's health. Trump said some bullshit without evidence (as always) and suddenly people accept it without question.

Lol, credible sources have reported on her health. Fox News (like them or not, they are indeed credible), Russia Today (While being very biased for Russia, they are credible and hate both Trump and Hillary so i would say its credible) and others such as the NY Post

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Postby Senkaku » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:51 pm

Jumalariik wrote:
Senkaku wrote:A few articles talking about Twitter talking about one incident where he ate KFC with a knife and fork, as opposed to deafening silence from much of the media on some of his actual scandals (not to mention all the horrible things he's said on the side). Meanwhile every negative story about Hillary has been getting traction with media outlets basically since the DNC stuff died down.

But sure, continue to ignore Trump's insanity.

First, Chickengate was reported by tons of sources. Second, Clinton has been getting positive coverage, and all the establishment has sided with her to make her win. Trump is actually right about policy, unlike Clinton.

Chickengate? That term has been used by one person- you. It was reported as an amusing sideshow when it was reported, jabbed at by late night, and then dropped by the wayside. Secondly, I don't know if you've seen all the bullshit about the Clinton Foundation and the basket of deplorables and her health, but Hillary is not getting positive coverage right now (but since you can handwave into a different reality and mutter about "The Establishment", I guess it's fine to make up lies).

Thirdly, I don't know what you mean by "policy" or "right", but I don't think there's any element of Trump's platform, experience, or personality that makes him more qualified than Hillary to be president, besides his ability to convince people that he is simply by repeating it over and over again.
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Postby Ever Victorious Iron Willed Commanders » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:51 pm

greed and death wrote:Clinton has withdrawn from the race citing health concerns after fainting at the 9/11 memorial and going to the hospital.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11-EAzsGxgQ

Withdrawn? No.
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Postby AmericanEmpire1 » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:52 pm

Have we also forgotten that just today Hillary "felt overheated" and fainted in NYC when it was humid and in the 70s?

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Postby European Guilds » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:53 pm

greed and death wrote:Clinton has withdrawn from the race citing health concerns after fainting at the 9/11 memorial and going to the hospital.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11-EAzsGxgQ

Stop it, greed. Your sad attempts at making "jokes" are not funny.

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Postby Senkaku » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:53 pm

greed and death wrote:Clinton has withdrawn from the race citing health concerns after fainting at the 9/11 memorial and going to the hospital.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11-EAzsGxgQ

What are you fucking talking about lmfao

AmericanEmpire1 wrote:Lol, credible sources have reported on her health. Fox News (like them or not, they are indeed credible), Russia Today (While being very biased for Russia, they are credible and hate both Trump and Hillary so i would say its credible) and others such as the NY Post

The extent of Fox and RT's "reporting" on her health has been baseless speculation and rumor-mongering.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:53 pm

Ever Victorious Iron Willed Commanders wrote:
greed and death wrote:Clinton has withdrawn from the race citing health concerns after fainting at the 9/11 memorial and going to the hospital.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11-EAzsGxgQ

Withdrawn? No.

So Trump vs. Kaine.

I wish it was Trump vs. Johnson.
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Postby Senkaku » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:54 pm

AmericanEmpire1 wrote:Have we also forgotten that just today Hillary "felt overheated" and fainted in NYC when it was humid and in the 70s?

Old lady gets tired after standing in the sun for a while. News at six.

greed and death wrote:
Ever Victorious Iron Willed Commanders wrote:Withdrawn? No.

So Trump vs. Kaine.

I wish it was Trump vs. Johnson.

I can't tell if you think you're funny or if you realize that you aren't but are proceeding anyways.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:54 pm

AmericanEmpire1 wrote:Have we also forgotten that just today Hillary "felt overheated" and fainted in NYC when it was humid and in the 70s?

Haven't you ever had heat stroke before? It sucks, it happened to me, but it's no indicator of one's health.
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Postby Hittanryan » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:55 pm

Jumalariik wrote:
Senkaku wrote:A few articles talking about Twitter talking about one incident where he ate KFC with a knife and fork, as opposed to deafening silence from much of the media on some of his actual scandals (not to mention all the horrible things he's said on the side). Meanwhile every negative story about Hillary has been getting traction with media outlets basically since the DNC stuff died down.

But sure, continue to ignore Trump's insanity.

First, Chickengate was reported by tons of sources. Second, Clinton has been getting positive coverage, and all the establishment has sided with her to make her win. Trump is actually right about policy, unlike Clinton.

What reality do you live in? Where did your timeline diverge? Is the Cold War still going because Gorbachev was never named Premier? Is John Lennon alive?

Trump has NO policy platform. One second he's saying we should deploy 30,000 troops to Syria the next he's pretending to be an isolationist. He has NO plans on HOW he's going to enact anything he's proposed. He proposes things that are illegal, impossible, or blatantly self-destructive to the US' interests and the media lets it slide.

Meanwhile "Hillary gets out of the sun for 5 minutes" is considered newsworthy.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:55 pm

greed and death wrote:
Ever Victorious Iron Willed Commanders wrote:Withdrawn? No.

So Trump vs. Kaine.

I wish it was Trump vs. Johnson.


So I guess the majority of the country doesn't vote I'm your preferred scenerio?
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Postby AmericanEmpire1 » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:55 pm

Senkaku wrote:
greed and death wrote:Clinton has withdrawn from the race citing health concerns after fainting at the 9/11 memorial and going to the hospital.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11-EAzsGxgQ

What are you fucking talking about lmfao

AmericanEmpire1 wrote:Lol, credible sources have reported on her health. Fox News (like them or not, they are indeed credible), Russia Today (While being very biased for Russia, they are credible and hate both Trump and Hillary so i would say its credible) and others such as the NY Post

The extent of Fox and RT's "reporting" on her health has been baseless speculation and rumor-mongering.

Fox News actually did a good article that looks in depth at her medical record with numerous doctors. I try to look it up

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Postby Ever Victorious Iron Willed Commanders » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:56 pm

Senkaku wrote:
AmericanEmpire1 wrote:Have we also forgotten that just today Hillary "felt overheated" and fainted in NYC when it was humid and in the 70s?

Old lady gets tired after standing in the sun for a while. News at six.

greed and death wrote:So Trump vs. Kaine.

I wish it was Trump vs. Johnson.

I can't tell if you think you're funny or if you realize that you aren't but are proceeding anyways.

If Clinton were to withdraw, the DNC would choose the nominee, which would likely be Tim Kaine.
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Postby AmericanEmpire1 » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:56 pm

Hittanryan wrote:
Jumalariik wrote:First, Chickengate was reported by tons of sources. Second, Clinton has been getting positive coverage, and all the establishment has sided with her to make her win. Trump is actually right about policy, unlike Clinton.

What reality do you live in? Where did your timeline diverge? Is the Cold War still going because Gorbachev was never named Premier? Is John Lennon alive?

Trump has NO policy platform. One second he's saying we should deploy 30,000 troops to Syria the next he's pretending to be an isolationist. He has NO plans on HOW he's going to enact anything he's proposed. He proposes things that are illegal, impossible, or blatantly self-destructive to the US' interests and the media lets it slide.

Meanwhile "Hillary gets out of the sun for 5 minutes" is considered newsworthy.

Tell me one thing that Trump has said that is illegal to do

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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:56 pm

Jumalariik wrote:
Senkaku wrote:A few articles talking about Twitter talking about one incident where he ate KFC with a knife and fork, as opposed to deafening silence from much of the media on some of his actual scandals (not to mention all the horrible things he's said on the side). Meanwhile every negative story about Hillary has been getting traction with media outlets basically since the DNC stuff died down.

But sure, continue to ignore Trump's insanity.

First, Chickengate was reported by tons of sources. Second, Clinton has been getting positive coverage, and all the establishment has sided with her to make her win. Trump is actually right about policy, unlike Clinton.


Trump's policy changes every two days, if not every two minutes.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:57 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Jumalariik wrote:If Trump said the same thing, even 20 years ago, somebody would shoot him in the face. You know this.

Given all the things Trump has gotten away with saying, I think this is false.

For reference, here's just the stuff he's tweeted.

my sister is incensed that he claimed to have helped remove rubble at the wtc site.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:57 pm

AmericanEmpire1 wrote:
Hittanryan wrote:You had to go back a month and a half to find that. They've been running daily hit pieces on Clinton for weeks now. There's never been a single credible source about Clinton's health. Trump said some bullshit without evidence (as always) and suddenly people accept it without question.

Lol, credible sources have reported on her health. Fox News (like them or not, they are indeed credible), Russia Today (While being very biased for Russia, they are credible and hate both Trump and Hillary so i would say its credible) and others such as the NY Post


None of those is a credible source.
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Postby Amerikan Columbia » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:57 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Jumalariik wrote:First, Chickengate was reported by tons of sources. Second, Clinton has been getting positive coverage, and all the establishment has sided with her to make her win. Trump is actually right about policy, unlike Clinton.


Trump's policy changes every two days, if not every two minutes.

Trump has a policy?
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Postby AmericanEmpire1 » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:58 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
AmericanEmpire1 wrote:Lol, credible sources have reported on her health. Fox News (like them or not, they are indeed credible), Russia Today (While being very biased for Russia, they are credible and hate both Trump and Hillary so i would say its credible) and others such as the NY Post


None of those is a credible source.

How is Fox News not credible when other networks like CNN or NBC cite them? And RT is biased certainly but they are credible

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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:58 pm

Senkaku wrote:
greed and death wrote:So Trump vs. Kaine.

I wish it was Trump vs. Johnson.

I can't tell if you think you're funny or if you realize that you aren't but are proceeding anyways.

I am sorry this upsets you but you really need to change that flag of yours to a K.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:59 pm

AmericanEmpire1 wrote:
Senkaku wrote:What are you fucking talking about lmfao


The extent of Fox and RT's "reporting" on her health has been baseless speculation and rumor-mongering.

Fox News actually did a good article that looks in depth at her medical record with numerous doctors. I try to look it up

no ethical doctor diagnoses someone from afar.
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Postby Hittanryan » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:00 pm

AmericanEmpire1 wrote:
Hittanryan wrote:You had to go back a month and a half to find that. They've been running daily hit pieces on Clinton for weeks now. There's never been a single credible source about Clinton's health. Trump said some bullshit without evidence (as always) and suddenly people accept it without question.

Lol, credible sources have reported on her health. Fox News (like them or not, they are indeed credible), Russia Today (While being very biased for Russia, they are credible and hate both Trump and Hillary so i would say its credible) and others such as the NY Post

None of them are credible. Fox News viewers on the whole still think that Saddam Hussein helped plan 9/11 and that Obama is a Muslim. People who get their news from Fox know less about the world than people who don't watch the news at all because they're constantly lied to. RT is Putin's propaganda outlet, and Putin is pro-Trump because he wants to see NATO destroyed.
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Postby European Guilds » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:00 pm

AmericanEmpire1 wrote:
Hittanryan wrote:What reality do you live in? Where did your timeline diverge? Is the Cold War still going because Gorbachev was never named Premier? Is John Lennon alive?

Trump has NO policy platform. One second he's saying we should deploy 30,000 troops to Syria the next he's pretending to be an isolationist. He has NO plans on HOW he's going to enact anything he's proposed. He proposes things that are illegal, impossible, or blatantly self-destructive to the US' interests and the media lets it slide.

Meanwhile "Hillary gets out of the sun for 5 minutes" is considered newsworthy.

Tell me one thing that Trump has said that is illegal to do

Killing the relatives of terrorists.

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Postby National Rhodesia » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:01 pm

Of course, Clinton collapses at the 9/11 rememberance event.

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