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Who Do You Support in the 2016 Election?

Hillary Rodham Clinton (Democrat)
376
37%
Donald J. Trump (Republican)
277
27%
Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
159
16%
Jill Stein (Green)
104
10%
Undecided
40
4%
Other
57
6%
 
Total votes : 1013

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Postby UED » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:03 pm

Libertarian Paumanok wrote:And the supreme Court will not smite her down if Hillary has a chance to appoint her liberal judges. Republicans would grumble about it for a week and then give up like the weak cuckservatives that they are. Democrats in Congress will not be in an uproar, and will likely side with Hillary. You underestimate the treachery of our politicians.


The liberals of the Supreme Court will not stand by and let her oppress free speech. Considering how the Republicans haven't caved in despite Obama's pretty moderate proposals, I doubt the Republicans would cave in to Clinton. The Republicans hate Clinton more than they hate Obama, which is quite an achievement actually, and would do anything to make Clinton's time as President similar to Obama's tenure. You really think progressives like Warren and Sanders will just stand around and let Clinton oppress free speech? And that's considering if she even does it, which she won't.

I also find it funny how you can't defend your candidate so you just go on the offensive.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:08 pm

Jumalariik wrote:Very glad that Trump has been making it up back in the polls.

The thing about the Clintons is that we do know their involvement with some morally evil things. Hillary called a KKK member her mentor without even criticizing the man's racism. Her foundation has shown to be very corrupt. She has been useless to defend American life at various times. She has refused to come clean with her emails. She wants to continually suppress religious freedom. I don't know how so many good Americans can allow her to be up in the polls.


We know Trump has a long history of ripping people off, lying, hiring undocumented workers, running businesses into the ground, etc.
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Postby Alien Space Bats » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:08 pm

Libertarian Paumanok wrote:Well just recently Little Bill alienated every blue collar voter by mocking "the coal people." It's as if the Clintons are TRYING to be as unlikable as possible.


And Hillary even admitted to the FBI that she couldn't remember key details due to her concussion..... unfit to lead.

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Just sayin'...
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Postby Minivanistan » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:08 pm

Alien Space Bats wrote:
Libertarian Paumanok wrote:This is huge. Dare I say "yuuuge". Finally the media acknowledges Hillary's poor health.

I think Tim Kaine would make a great President.

Yeah, junior senators seem to do really well. :D
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:18 pm

Senkaku wrote:
New West Guiana wrote:A new Hillary scandal is breaking, she leaves 9/11 memorial because she was getting hot and not feeling well. And the media is all over saying how trump was right and there are now serious concerns about her health.

@The Media bite me

that's why bringing up the "issue" of health was brilliant. it was likely that some time during the election campaign Clinton was going to have SOMETHING that could be spun as a health crisis.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:21 pm

Alien Space Bats wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:Trump will end up alienating much of his own party (if he hasn't already). He is likely to get little accomplished in any case, except the naming of a justice for the SCOTUS.

I'm far less terrified of Donald Trump's possible Supreme Court picks than the fact that — should he win — he'll get to name the next Chairman of the Federal Reserve.

he has said that if Iranian sailors use rude gestures on HIS watch war will follow!

or he doesnt understand that "blowing them out of the water" is war.
whatever

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Postby Jumalariik » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:22 pm

Alien Space Bats wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:Trump supporters wanted to get political correctness out of politics. They got what they wished for when they were called a "basket of deplorables". Hillary finally came out and said something off the cuff(that was very true) and now they're acting all offended. They're a bunch of hypocrites. After they've backed a man who has disparaged countless groups of actual hard-working Americans shamelessly, they're going to act offended after finally being called out for who they really are.

The Alternative Right has only gotten half of what it wants in this election.

The war on "political correctness" is not just a war to normalize offensive ideas like racism, sexism, xenophobia, and (ultimately) neo-fascism; it is also a war to silence the opponents of such ideas. The idea is not just to use a critic's supposed "political correctness" as a shield against condemnation; it is also to turn "political correctness" into a sword (or, more properly, a muzzle) to reverse the old terms of engagement and make being "politically correct" taboo. This is because the Alternative Right understands that, even if allowed to crawl out from beneath the rotting wood pile where their ideas fester, they still won't prevail in the grand marketplace of ideas. To win, they have to make ideas like racial and sexual equality the targets of ridicule and outrage; then and only then can they have the future Hell they so fervently desire.

Interestingly, nothing in this post is remotely true.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:23 pm

Alien Space Bats wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:Trump will end up alienating much of his own party (if he hasn't already). He is likely to get little accomplished in any case, except the naming of a justice for the SCOTUS.

I'm far less terrified of Donald Trump's possible Supreme Court picks than the fact that — should he win — he'll get to name the next Chairman of the Federal Reserve.


Do not agree. It's easier to get rid of the Chairman of the Fed.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:28 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:

Truth truly is stranger than fiction.


This should belongs in Ripley's "Believe it or Not." I find it relatively easy to believe.
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Postby Jumalariik » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:28 pm

Spainard wrote:
Jumalariik wrote:Very glad that Trump has been making it up back in the polls.

The thing about the Clintons is that we do know their involvement with some morally evil things. Hillary called a KKK member her mentor without even criticizing the man's racism. Her foundation has shown to be very corrupt. She has been useless to defend American life at various times. She has refused to come clean with her emails. She wants to continually suppress religious freedom. I don't know how so many good Americans can allow her to be up in the polls.


I'd love to see a legitimate source claiming that "Hillary called a KKK member her mentor". It irks me when Trump supporters spit out false claims and statement to make the other side look bad. Donald Trump isn't truly a real Republican if yoh actually put your mind to it. Hes more of a moderate if anything, but the ignorance from his supporters will stand like a mule as they dodge and weave anything that speaks out against Trump. I think that mentality on either side is absurd.

1. Robert Byrd used the phrase "white niggers" on public tv. If Trump said the same thing, even 20 years ago, somebody would shoot him in the face. You know this.

2. I'm not affiliated with the Republican Party, and honestly I would not ever be affiliated with it. I just like Trump.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:29 pm

Jumalariik wrote:
Alien Space Bats wrote:The Alternative Right has only gotten half of what it wants in this election.

The war on "political correctness" is not just a war to normalize offensive ideas like racism, sexism, xenophobia, and (ultimately) neo-fascism; it is also a war to silence the opponents of such ideas. The idea is not just to use a critic's supposed "political correctness" as a shield against condemnation; it is also to turn "political correctness" into a sword (or, more properly, a muzzle) to reverse the old terms of engagement and make being "politically correct" taboo. This is because the Alternative Right understands that, even if allowed to crawl out from beneath the rotting wood pile where their ideas fester, they still won't prevail in the grand marketplace of ideas. To win, they have to make ideas like racial and sexual equality the targets of ridicule and outrage; then and only then can they have the future Hell they so fervently desire.

Interestingly, nothing in this post is remotely true.


really? why do YOU think the altright has such a hatred of political correctness?
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:30 pm

Jumalariik wrote:
Spainard wrote:
I'd love to see a legitimate source claiming that "Hillary called a KKK member her mentor". It irks me when Trump supporters spit out false claims and statement to make the other side look bad. Donald Trump isn't truly a real Republican if yoh actually put your mind to it. Hes more of a moderate if anything, but the ignorance from his supporters will stand like a mule as they dodge and weave anything that speaks out against Trump. I think that mentality on either side is absurd.

1. Robert Byrd used the phrase "white niggers" on public tv. If Trump said the same thing, even 20 years ago, somebody would shoot him in the face. You know this.

2. I'm not affiliated with the Republican Party, and honestly I would not ever be affiliated with it. I just like Trump.

byrd has been dead for a while. when did he say that?
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Postby Hittanryan » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:30 pm

Libertarian Paumanok wrote:
New West Guiana wrote:A new Hillary scandal is breaking, she leaves 9/11 memorial because she was getting hot and not feeling well. And the media is all over saying how trump was right and there are now serious concerns about her health.



This is huge. Dare I say "yuuuge". Finally the media acknowledges Hillary's poor health.

Yeah, "finally." It's not like the media has been laser focused on every non-story about Clinton for several weeks now.

It's a complete non-issue.

By the way you wouldn't happen to have those sources would you?
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Postby Jumalariik » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:34 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Jumalariik wrote:1. Robert Byrd used the phrase "white niggers" on public tv. If Trump said the same thing, even 20 years ago, somebody would shoot him in the face. You know this.

2. I'm not affiliated with the Republican Party, and honestly I would not ever be affiliated with it. I just like Trump.

byrd has been dead for a while. when did he say that?

2001
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:36 pm

Jumalariik wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:byrd has been dead for a while. when did he say that?

2001

if you know when it was, don't you have a link?
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Postby Jumalariik » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:39 pm

Hittanryan wrote:
Libertarian Paumanok wrote:

This is huge. Dare I say "yuuuge". Finally the media acknowledges Hillary's poor health.

Yeah, "finally." It's not like the media has been laser focused on every non-story about Clinton for several weeks now.

It's a complete non-issue.

By the way you wouldn't happen to have those sources would you?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/politics/ ... nife-fork/
http://www.thewrap.com/donald-trump-eat ... sapproves/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don ... e15eb750a4
http://www.people.com/article/donald-tr ... nton-devil

The media never talks about non-issues with Trump. Never.
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Postby Jumalariik » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:40 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Jumalariik wrote:2001

if you know when it was, don't you have a link?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnO6ai0Ktro
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:43 pm

Jumalariik wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:if you know when it was, don't you have a link?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnO6ai0Ktro

thank you very much

he immediately apologized, eh?
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Postby Senkaku » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:44 pm

Jumalariik wrote:
Hittanryan wrote:Yeah, "finally." It's not like the media has been laser focused on every non-story about Clinton for several weeks now.

It's a complete non-issue.

By the way you wouldn't happen to have those sources would you?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/politics/ ... nife-fork/
http://www.thewrap.com/donald-trump-eat ... sapproves/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don ... e15eb750a4
http://www.people.com/article/donald-tr ... nton-devil

The media never talks about non-issues with Trump. Never.

A few articles talking about Twitter talking about one incident where he ate KFC with a knife and fork, as opposed to deafening silence from much of the media on some of his actual scandals (not to mention all the horrible things he's said on the side). Meanwhile every negative story about Hillary has been getting traction with media outlets basically since the DNC stuff died down.

But sure, continue to ignore Trump's insanity.
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Postby Jumalariik » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:44 pm

Ashmoria wrote:

thank you very much

he immediately apologized, eh?

Does immediate apology ever get politicians off the hook?
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:45 pm

Jumalariik wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:thank you very much

he immediately apologized, eh?

Does immediate apology ever get politicians off the hook?

sometimes.

but he's dead now so ...
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Postby Kelinfort » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:46 pm

Jumalariik wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:thank you very much

he immediately apologized, eh?

Does immediate apology ever get politicians off the hook?

Yes.

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Postby Jumalariik » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:46 pm

Senkaku wrote:

A few articles talking about Twitter talking about one incident where he ate KFC with a knife and fork, as opposed to deafening silence from much of the media on some of his actual scandals (not to mention all the horrible things he's said on the side). Meanwhile every negative story about Hillary has been getting traction with media outlets basically since the DNC stuff died down.

But sure, continue to ignore Trump's insanity.

First, Chickengate was reported by tons of sources. Second, Clinton has been getting positive coverage, and all the establishment has sided with her to make her win. Trump is actually right about policy, unlike Clinton.
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Postby Hittanryan » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:46 pm

Jumalariik wrote:
Hittanryan wrote:Yeah, "finally." It's not like the media has been laser focused on every non-story about Clinton for several weeks now.

It's a complete non-issue.

By the way you wouldn't happen to have those sources would you?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/politics/ ... nife-fork/
http://www.thewrap.com/donald-trump-eat ... sapproves/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don ... e15eb750a4
http://www.people.com/article/donald-tr ... nton-devil

The media never talks about non-issues with Trump. Never.

You had to go back a month and a half to find that. They've been running daily hit pieces on Clinton for weeks now. There's never been a single credible source about Clinton's health. Trump said some bullshit without evidence (as always) and suddenly people accept it without question.
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Postby Senkaku » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:47 pm

Jumalariik wrote:If Trump said the same thing, even 20 years ago, somebody would shoot him in the face. You know this.

Given all the things Trump has gotten away with saying, I think this is false.

For reference, here's just the stuff he's tweeted.
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