US General Election Thread III: Clinton vs. Trump

[Ashmoria]

So Donald Trump used his fake charity to pay off Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi with other people's money so that she would drop a lawsuit against his fraud-ridden "university".

He's a one-man Mafia.

Now, now, I'm sure that after a careful consideration of the evidence and the applicable law, Ms Bondi simply decided that it was not in the interests of the people of Florida to ... to ... p-purs ,,, No, I can't, I just can't! *runs away*

well trumpU was no longer operating in florida so, as long as you don't consider the students who were already bilked, there was no reason to go after it.

[Farnhamia]

Now, now, I'm sure that after a careful consideration of the evidence and the applicable law, Ms Bondi simply decided that it was not in the interests of the people of Florida to ... to ... p-purs ,,, No, I can't, I just can't! *runs away*

well trumpU was no longer operating in florida so, as long as you don't consider the students who were already bilked, there was no reason to go after it.

Sure, because those losers had already been educated by Trump U. It wasn't the sort of lesson they thought they would learn but they certainly learned one.

[Gauthier]

Slush funds aside, being indicted does not mean you are guilty, and not calling in a grand jury does not mean you are not, and just because you did not see it on tv does not mean it did not happen.
I am not wholly dismissing Trumps history. He has done what he has done, but it is of little national consequence, and as yet, does not affect my life directly.
Trump has no significant political history, so it is difficult to take his bloviating seriously.
I cannot say the same for the Clintons.
I have been intimately familiar with Clinton politics since they left Arkansas for the national stage. I do not have to see or hear Hillary to know what is going to likely occur when she has power of any sort.

So it's better to ignore evidence of what either candidate will do in favor of gut instinct and speculation?

I can't decide whether this is truthiness or bellyfeel.

Trumpiness

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Now, now, I'm sure that after a careful consideration of the evidence and the applicable law, Ms Bondi simply decided that it was not in the interests of the people of Florida to ... to ... p-purs ,,, No, I can't, I just can't! *runs away*

well trumpU was no longer operating in florida so, as long as you don't consider the students who were already bilked, there was no reason to go after it.

So you're saying that there was no reason to go after them other than the fact that there were victims who needed to be represented?

You do realize that's the purpose of the state bringing charges in a case like that in the first place, right? To get justice for the victims?

[Ashmoria]

well trumpU was no longer operating in florida so, as long as you don't consider the students who were already bilked, there was no reason to go after it.

So you're saying that there was no reason to go after them other than the fact that there were victims who needed to be represented?

You do realize that's the purpose of the state bringing charges in a case like that in the first place, right? To get justice for the victims?

no I'm saying it is an easier self justification.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

So you're saying that there was no reason to go after them other than the fact that there were victims who needed to be represented?

You do realize that's the purpose of the state bringing charges in a case like that in the first place, right? To get justice for the victims?

no I'm saying it is an easier self justification.

It's not just an easier justification. It's a good part of the purpose of having a criminal justice system to begin with.

[Ashmoria]

no I'm saying it is an easier self justification.

It's not just an easier justification. It's a good part of the purpose of having a criminal justice system to begin with.

supposedly at that time they had only had a handful of complaints

and there was a very good chance that mr trump would contribute to her campaign...

[Jerzylvania]

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[Yumyumsuppertime]

It's not just an easier justification. It's a good part of the purpose of having a criminal justice system to begin with.

supposedly at that time they had only had a handful of complaints

and there was a very good chance that mr trump would contribute to her campaign...

"A handful" is a meaningless term. "Dozens" is more descriptive.

Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi is denying that a $25,000 donation from Donald Trump is in any way connected to her office's decision not to pursue action against Trump University, despite dozens of complaints in Florida, her spokesman said.

I love how people try to minimize this: "Oh, it was just a handful of people he cheated out of their life savings in a series of blatantly fraudulent "classes" that taught nothing, and were actually events where people were goaded into buying ever more expensive "classes" that served the purpose for even more expensive ones."

[Gauthier]

Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi is denying that a $25,000 donation from Donald Trump is in any way connected to her office's decision not to pursue action against Trump University, despite dozens of complaints in Florida, her spokesman said.

I love how people try to minimize this: "Oh, it was just a handful of people he cheated out of their life savings in a series of blatantly fraudulent "classes" that taught nothing, and were actually events where people were goaded into buying ever more expensive "classes" that served the purpose for even more expensive ones."

"Trump You" is well on its way to becoming an obscenity.

[Jerzylvania]

I love how people try to minimize this: "Oh, it was just a handful of people he cheated out of their life savings in a series of blatantly fraudulent "classes" that taught nothing, and were actually events where people were goaded into buying ever more expensive "classes" that served the purpose for even more expensive ones."

"Trump You" is well on its way to becoming an obscenity.

"Bork off" made the rounds in 1987. Robert Bork did not make SCOTUS and hopefully "Trump You" will have the same career result for Donny.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Just read this.

A front to buy himself gifts, route money back into his own pocket, and buy political influence while dodging taxes and using other people's money.

Why is it the Clinton foundation the one people keep talking about?

Because the scope of Trumps financial self-service is very limited in comparison.

How so? Exactly what financial benefit have the Clintons personally received from the foundation, and how is it worse than what Trump has done with his own foundation?

[New West Guiana]

Get ready for tomorrow when trump and his supporters start spewing the most fact free BS and trump creates a new theory that Hillary knew about 9-11 and didn't tell anyone.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

"Trump You" is well on its way to becoming an obscenity.

"Bork off" made the rounds in 1987. Robert Bork did not make SCOTUS and hopefully "Trump You" will have the same career result for Donny.

To this day, people refer to potential political appointees as being "Borked" if they don't pass muster. The term fell out of general use when the GOP Senate was blocking any and all nominations, as it was no longer a rare enough occurrence to point out.

[Wallenburg]

So it's better to ignore evidence of what either candidate will do in favor of gut instinct and speculation?

I can't decide whether this is truthiness or bellyfeel.

Trumpiness

By far one of the best episodes of the show. Long live Stephen Colbert.

[Jerzylvania]

"Bork off" made the rounds in 1987. Robert Bork did not make SCOTUS and hopefully "Trump You" will have the same career result for Donny.

To this day, people refer to potential political appointees as being "Borked" if they don't pass muster. The term fell out of general use when the GOP Senate was blocking any and all nominations, as it was no longer a rare enough occurrence to point out.

It will take more than a wondrous feat to end this ignorance of hate. Seems that only a greater hate, as in an act of war will partly even do it. Not a half ass terrorist war either. A real war that we all feel pain from directly.

I wish I had the where with all to see a better short term future, but I am more pessimistic about the direction of things than ever. I am so sorry, but we are still hundreds of years away. We must keep trying.

[AiliailiA]

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Get ready for tomorrow when trump and his supporters start spewing the most fact free BS and trump creates a new theory that Hillary knew about 9-11 and didn't tell anyone.

Giuliani did say "in those 8 years before Obama" ... which counts as a gaffe I guess ... but in context it's obvious he meant in the 8 years after the enactment of the Patriot Act. Source.

Giuliani is a total muppet, but let's not lie about what he said.

[Galloism]

Lindsey Graham looks at state of election, mulls move to Canada.

[USS Monitor]

Lindsey Graham looks at state of election, mulls move to Canada.

But he'd hate Canada. It's full of socialism, or at least what passes for socialism in Republicans' minds.

[New Chalcedon]

a must read article from the Washington post about the trump foundation

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

my fav quote so far

In two cases, he has used money from his charity to buy himself a gift. In one of those cases — not previously reported — Trump spent $20,000 of money earmarked for charitable purposes to buy a six-foot-tall painting of himself.

Not quite what happened: Melania bought the portrait, and the money wasn't "earmarked" for any specific purposes. But the more digging is done into the Trump Foundation, the worse it looks - with self-dealing laws now also looking to have been violated by both Melania (the portrait) and Donald ($12,000 for a helmet autographed by Tim Tebow, also paid for out of the Foundation's money). Notably, the IRS is likely to take more of a dim view than usual, since Trump doesn't actually donate his own money to his Foundation - he hasn't since 2008. In short, he and his wife are buying gifts for themselves out of other peoples' money, under the guise of a charitable organization.

Between this, the revelation that the Trump Foundation's "donations" correlate to charities which hold events in Mar-a-Lago and other Trump properties (also self-enrichment, obviously) and the improper donations to Bondi in Florida (and other assorted pay-to-play problems, such as the questions surrounding New Jersey's mysterious $25,000,000 write-down on back-taxes owed by Trump's casinos - right after Gov. Christie took office), the more unflattering is the picture of Trump emerging. He's not a philanthropist - he last donated to his own Foundation in 2008. He's not a good businessman - he keeps going bankrupt, as well as routinely stiffing contractors who work for him. He's not a good citizen - he uses money as a tool of influence and access to politicians for his own enrichment.

In short, Donald Trump is coming across as virtually everything he's accused Hillary Clinton of being: a crooked, corrupt cheapskate.

[New Chalcedon]

Now, now, I'm sure that after a careful consideration of the evidence and the applicable law, Ms Bondi simply decided that it was not in the interests of the people of Florida to ... to ... p-purs ,,, No, I can't, I just can't! *runs away*

well trumpU was no longer operating in florida so, as long as you don't consider the students who were already bilked, there was no reason to go after it.

TrumpU was the kind of case that every prosecutor would dream of prosecuting - a slam-dunk white-collar crime case that makes careers. But Bondi nixed it against her own office's advice, right after her own "Foundation" received $25,000 from the Trump Foundation. Again, a prosecutor's dream - this is as clear-cut a case of bribery as one can hope to find in this day & age.

[Vassenor]

So Donald has demonstrated his commitment to fighting to secure LGBT rights... by making an appearance at an event chaired by a notable anti-LGBT hate group.

[UED]

So Donald has demonstrated his commitment to fighting to secure LGBT rights... by making an appearance at an event chaired by a notable anti-LGBT hate group.

I honestly don't know why Trump is still rising in the polls. I mean the media did pounce on Clinton this August but you would think Trump's crawl towards 42-44% would be stopped by his insane nonsense.

[Vassenor]

So Donald has demonstrated his commitment to fighting to secure LGBT rights... by making an appearance at an event chaired by a notable anti-LGBT hate group.

I honestly don't know why Trump is still rising in the polls. I mean the media did pounce on Clinton this August but you would think Trump's crawl towards 42-44% would be stopped by his insane nonsense.

Because more often than not his doing this crap goes unreported.

[UED]

I honestly don't know why Trump is still rising in the polls. I mean the media did pounce on Clinton this August but you would think Trump's crawl towards 42-44% would be stopped by his insane nonsense.

Because more often than not his doing this crap goes unreported.

It's annoying how people call the mainstream media stuff like "Clinton News Network" and other shit when they do make actual efforts to scrutinize Clinton (example, Clinton Foundation).