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Who Do You Support in the 2016 Election?

Hillary Rodham Clinton (Democrat)
376
37%
Donald J. Trump (Republican)
277
27%
Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
159
16%
Jill Stein (Green)
104
10%
Undecided
40
4%
Other
57
6%
 
Total votes : 1013

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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:08 pm

Shonburg wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
The picture is oddly wide and not very tall, it was probably cropped to give just that impression.

A hand-job from the Donald ... I'd probably laugh too.

768 x 416 is a 4:3 resolution

:eyebrow:
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Postby Gauthier » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:09 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:So Donald Trump used his fake charity to pay off Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi with other people's money so that she would drop a lawsuit against his fraud-ridden "university".

He's a one-man Mafia.

Now, now, I'm sure that after a careful consideration of the evidence and the applicable law, Ms Bondi simply decided that it was not in the interests of the people of Florida to ... to ... p-purs ,,, :lol: No, I can't, I just can't! *runs away*


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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:10 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:Now, now, I'm sure that after a careful consideration of the evidence and the applicable law, Ms Bondi simply decided that it was not in the interests of the people of Florida to ... to ... p-purs ,,, :lol: No, I can't, I just can't! *runs away*


She was made an offer she couldn't refuse.

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Postby Camicon » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:10 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:So Donald Trump used his fake charity to pay off Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi with other people's money so that she would drop a lawsuit against his fraud-ridden "university".

He's a one-man Mafia.

Well, yeah, he's basically been waving it in front of everyone's faces the whole time. He's ostensibly in the construction industry, up to his eyeballs in political corruption and manipulation, thinks that nepotism is the absolute best way to run a "business", and he gets everyone to call him "The Donald".
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:11 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:So Donald Trump used his fake charity to pay off Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi with other people's money so that she would drop a lawsuit against his fraud-ridden "university".

He's a one-man Mafia.

Don't give him that much credit, he probably had people under him do all the hard work.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:12 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:So Donald Trump used his fake charity to pay off Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi with other people's money so that she would drop a lawsuit against his fraud-ridden "university".

He's a one-man Mafia.

Don't give him that much credit, he probably had people under him do all the hard work.

Like that John Barron guy, his spokesman or whatever.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:14 pm

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Socialist Nordia wrote:Don't give him that much credit, he probably had people under him do all the hard work.

Like that John Barron guy, his spokesman or whatever.

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Postby Shonburg » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:14 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Shonburg wrote:768 x 416 is a 4:3 resolution

:eyebrow:

I'm just pointing out its a legit picture size
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Postby Minivanistan » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:14 pm

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Ashmoria wrote:
nah they think Clinton will win easily and just want to pretend that its a horse race and that they aren't totally in the tank for her.

It's the hideous "fairness doctrine."

"Okay, so we have to find negative things to report about Secretary Clinton."
"Uhm, why, sir? There aren't that many and they aren't anywhere near as bad as the stuff Trump has done."
"Because we have to be fair! That means they're both equally good and equally bad."
"But ... she's way better than he is."
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Cute.
Except what has Trump done?
He is not the one with a thirty year political career that has yielded what exactly?
Yeah, Donald is a wonky cartoon character of sorts, but a country has not burned down under his watch yet. One could sure, but Hillary has actually logged the hours and lost people under her watch. She cant have the benefit of the doubt.
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Postby Hittanryan » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:18 pm

Minivanistan wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:It's the hideous "fairness doctrine."

"Okay, so we have to find negative things to report about Secretary Clinton."
"Uhm, why, sir? There aren't that many and they aren't anywhere near as bad as the stuff Trump has done."
"Because we have to be fair! That means they're both equally good and equally bad."
"But ... she's way better than he is."
"Great Caesar's Ghost! What part of 'fair' are you having trouble with, Kent?"

Cute.
Except what has Trump done?
He is not the one with a thirty year political career that has yielded what exactly?
Yeah, Donald is a wonky cartoon character of sorts, but a country has not burned down under his watch yet. One could sure, but Hillary has actually logged the hours and lost people under her watch. She cant have the benefit of the doubt.

Numerous bankruptcies, Trump University, using funds from the Trump Foundation to pay off his private ventures, countless gaffes, hypocrisy, blatant ignorance of diplomacy, and in some cases calling for an end to civil liberties not good enough for you, huh?
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:24 pm

Hittanryan wrote:
Minivanistan wrote:Cute.
Except what has Trump done?
He is not the one with a thirty year political career that has yielded what exactly?
Yeah, Donald is a wonky cartoon character of sorts, but a country has not burned down under his watch yet. One could sure, but Hillary has actually logged the hours and lost people under her watch. She cant have the benefit of the doubt.

Numerous bankruptcies, Trump University, using funds from the Trump Foundation to pay off his private ventures, countless gaffes, hypocrisy, blatant ignorance of diplomacy, and in some cases calling for an end to civil liberties not good enough for you, huh?


Huh! Change a couple of things and change a name and it begins to describe the current person that currently resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Apt. 1A
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Postby Minivanistan » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:26 pm

Hittanryan wrote:Numerous bankruptcies, Trump University, using funds from the Trump Foundation to pay off his private ventures, countless gaffes, hypocrisy, blatant ignorance of diplomacy, and in some cases calling for an end to civil liberties not good enough for you, huh?

In the sense that that is all encapsulated within a subjective media narrative with little or no future real world applicability? No.

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I will take the picture please.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:32 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Hittanryan wrote:Numerous bankruptcies, Trump University, using funds from the Trump Foundation to pay off his private ventures, countless gaffes, hypocrisy, blatant ignorance of diplomacy, and in some cases calling for an end to civil liberties not good enough for you, huh?


Huh! Change a couple of things and change a name and it begins to describe the current person that currently resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Apt. 1A

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Postby AiliailiA » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:33 pm

Shonburg wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
The picture is oddly wide and not very tall, it was probably cropped to give just that impression.

A hand-job from the Donald ... I'd probably laugh too.

768 x 416 is a 4:3 resolution


No it's not?

The image size is probably bigger for me due to browser zoom (the NS text is too small on default zoom) but I can see the aspect ratio is 1.85:1

That's US Widescreen Cinema ratio ... which is plausible. But a more likely ratio is 1.77:1 (aka 16:9) which is digital HD video standard and digital TV standard.

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Postby Hittanryan » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:35 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Hittanryan wrote:Numerous bankruptcies, Trump University, using funds from the Trump Foundation to pay off his private ventures, countless gaffes, hypocrisy, blatant ignorance of diplomacy, and in some cases calling for an end to civil liberties not good enough for you, huh?


Huh! Change a couple of things and change a name and it begins to describe the current person that currently resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Apt. 1A

I mean, if you live in a different version of reality, sure.

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Hittanryan wrote:Numerous bankruptcies, Trump University, using funds from the Trump Foundation to pay off his private ventures, countless gaffes, hypocrisy, blatant ignorance of diplomacy, and in some cases calling for an end to civil liberties not good enough for you, huh?

In the sense that that is all encapsulated within a subjective media narrative with little or no future real world applicability? No.

If my choice is between a picture of the Loch Ness monster, or the monster.
I will take the picture please.

Yes, it's a "subjective media narrative" to quote Trump directly or access publicly-available information. And his calls to deploy 20-30,000 troops to Syria and refusing to rule out the possible use of nuclear weapons has "little or no future real world applicability"?

Yet the Clinton Foundation, which has basically been found innocent of any wrongdoing, THAT is the big issue here?
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Postby AiliailiA » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:41 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:So Donald Trump used his fake charity to pay off Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi with other people's money so that she would drop a lawsuit against his fraud-ridden "university".

He's a one-man Mafia.


She didn't drop the suit, rather she decided not to enter it. Actually according to her she never considered entering it ... which I don't believe.

The important point was that IT WAS REPORTED she was considering entering (on behalf of Floridians), and FOUR DAYS LATER the Trump charity made the donation. Whether or not she was corrupted by it, it was plainly Trump's intention to corrupt her.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:42 pm

Ailiailia wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:So Donald Trump used his fake charity to pay off Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi with other people's money so that she would drop a lawsuit against his fraud-ridden "university".

He's a one-man Mafia.


She didn't drop the suit, rather she decided not to enter it. Actually according to her she never considered entering it ... which I don't believe.

The important point was that IT WAS REPORTED she was considering entering (on behalf of Floridians), and FOUR DAYS LATER the Trump charity made the donation. Whether or not she was corrupted by it, it was plainly Trump's intention to corrupt her.


The essential point remains.

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Postby Jerzylvania » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:51 pm

Minivanistan wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:(Image)

Hey! WTF!
Doesn't it look like Donny is giving a handjob to Bill Clinton just out of camera range? They seem rather chummy. 'Where is Monica when you need her?" ...was probably the joke.

As a life long friend, Donald has been on a personal quest to straighten out that strange kink in Bill's tonsil wash dispenser.

He is a manipulator for sure. Tonsil wash dispenser... lol. Perhaps Bill thinks he has therapeutic semen and was kindly administering treatment to Lewinsky for a sore throat.
I would have loved to hear him tell the press that whopper. :p

Ailiailia wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:

Hey! WTF!
Doesn't it look like Donny is giving a handjob to Bill Clinton just out of camera range?


The picture is oddly wide and not very tall, it was probably cropped to give just that impression.

A hand-job from the Donald ... I'd probably laugh too.


It was released by Clinton's Presidential Library with 7 other photos. It was put up here as released and was unaltered. No conspiracy here, pal. Take it to Alex Jones. :lol:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/n ... nia-227945 (scroll down ...see second photo in article)
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Postby AiliailiA » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:53 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
She didn't drop the suit, rather she decided not to enter it. Actually according to her she never considered entering it ... which I don't believe.

The important point was that IT WAS REPORTED she was considering entering (on behalf of Floridians), and FOUR DAYS LATER the Trump charity made the donation. Whether or not she was corrupted by it, it was plainly Trump's intention to corrupt her.


The essential point remains.


Yes.

I'm very suspicious of Bondi's action as Florida AG and want it investigated. But it can wait until after November.
For a rather cynical reason: she's term limited and not up this year, and she hurts the Republican party more where she is than she would in prison.
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Postby AiliailiA » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:02 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
The picture is oddly wide and not very tall, it was probably cropped to give just that impression.

A hand-job from the Donald ... I'd probably laugh too.


It was released by Clinton's Presidential Library with 7 other photos. It was put up here as released and was unaltered.


I wasn't accusing YOU of editing the picture ..?

No conspiracy here, pal. Take it to Alex Jones. :lol:


Actually, here's a version that wasn't cropped.

All pics are 1.5:1 (aka 3:2) and the version you used has been cropped top and bottom. But amusingly the fuller version actually looks MORE sexy ... Donny's hand is within inches of Bill's junk and could actually be touching it.
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Postby Minivanistan » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:07 pm

Hittanryan wrote:Yes, it's a "subjective media narrative" to quote Trump directly or access publicly-available information. And his calls to deploy 20-30,000 troops to Syria and refusing to rule out the possible use of nuclear weapons has "little or no future real world applicability"?

Yet the Clinton Foundation, which has basically been found innocent of any wrongdoing, THAT is the big issue here?

Slush funds aside, being indicted does not mean you are guilty, and not calling in a grand jury does not mean you are not, and just because you did not see it on tv does not mean it did not happen.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:12 pm

Ailiailia wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
It was released by Clinton's Presidential Library with 7 other photos. It was put up here as released and was unaltered.


I wasn't accusing YOU of editing the picture ..?

No conspiracy here, pal. Take it to Alex Jones. :lol:


Actually, here's a version that wasn't cropped.


YOU left it as an option by being unclear. I merely made clear what you didn't plus added some humor. No BFD.

The "actual" photo looks like Bill is getting unzipped by Trump. Why is his small hand there? What the hell was actually going on that day? No sign of Hillary that day either.
And I find it quite interesting that Bill's library's curator decided to release such a photo. Most have just slipped out. :p
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Postby Hittanryan » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:28 pm

Minivanistan wrote:
Hittanryan wrote:Yes, it's a "subjective media narrative" to quote Trump directly or access publicly-available information. And his calls to deploy 20-30,000 troops to Syria and refusing to rule out the possible use of nuclear weapons has "little or no future real world applicability"?

Yet the Clinton Foundation, which has basically been found innocent of any wrongdoing, THAT is the big issue here?

Slush funds aside, being indicted does not mean you are guilty, and not calling in a grand jury does not mean you are not, and just because you did not see it on tv does not mean it did not happen.
I am not wholly dismissing Trumps history. He has done what he has done, but it is of little national consequence, and as yet, does not affect my life directly.
Trump has no significant political history, so it is difficult to take his bloviating seriously.
I cannot say the same for the Clintons.
I have been intimately familiar with Clinton politics since they left Arkansas for the national stage. I do not have to see or hear Hillary to know what is going to likely occur when she has power of any sort.

So it's better to ignore evidence of what either candidate will do in favor of gut instinct and speculation?

I can't decide whether this is truthiness or bellyfeel.
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Postby AiliailiA » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:35 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
I wasn't accusing YOU of editing the picture ..?



Actually, here's a version that wasn't cropped.


YOU left it as an option by being unclear. I merely made clear what you didn't plus added some humor. No BFD.

The "actual" photo looks like Bill is getting unzipped by Trump. Why is his small hand there? What the hell was actually going on that day? No sign of Hillary that day either.
And I find it quite interesting that Bill's library's curator decided to release such a photo. Most have just slipped out. :p


Freedom of Information claim. By Politico actually! But they don't get an exclusive from that, FoI is public release.

Now that I've seen both versions, it could actually be that Politico cropped the pic to try to make it LESS suggestive?

Anyway, both versions are funny so NBD.
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Postby Saiwania » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:48 pm

So I ran across this video of this Black Imam from New York that is normally Democrat, who is a total moron. He was giving an interview and said that he doesn't approve of either Trump or Clinton. Says that Trump goes against everything he believes but that it is clear to him that the Qur'an he believes in states that women should have no place in government. He complained, "what if Hillary is on her menses and pushes the nuke button?" He could simply be unaware that women eventually get to an age where they don't get menstruation anymore and become barren.
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