US General Election Thread III: Clinton vs. Trump

[Ifreann]

Or Bill.

yeah

I would think that if mrs Clinton needed an antiseizure pen she would keep it in her purse next to her bottle of hot sauce.

Be unfortunate to mix those up.

[Patridam]

why wouldn't it be for himself?

That's like seeing a mailman on the job carrying mail and assuming it's his own mail he's taking home rather than mail he has to deliver for his goddamn job.

[Geilinor]

why wouldn't it be for himself?

That's like seeing a mailman on the job carrying mail and assuming it's his own mail he's taking home rather than mail he has to deliver for his goddamn job.

There's no clear evidence it's for Hillary. It could be for someone else.

[Patridam]

Or Bill.

yeah

I would think that if Mrs Clinton needed an antiseizure pen she would keep it in her purse next to her bottle of hot sauce.

She doesn't carry a purse usually, AFAIK.
And even if she did, why would she have it stuffed down in there and difficult to get to in a pinch, when you have a concierge doctor with you 24/7 who can carry it and is much more capable of using it?

[Patridam]

That's like seeing a mailman on the job carrying mail and assuming it's his own mail he's taking home rather than mail he has to deliver for his goddamn job.

There's no clear evidence it's for Hillary. It could be for someone else.

It's either for Bill or Hillary. Both look to be in less than optimum health for sure. However, in most of the shots where this concierge doctor is seen next to Hillary, Bill is nowhere to be seen.

[Eol Sha]

There's no clear evidence it's for Hillary. It could be for someone else.

It's either for Bill or Hillary. Both look to be in less than optimum health for sure. However, in most of the shots where this concierge doctor is seen next to Hillary, Bill is nowhere to be seen.

And what proof do you have that that guy is a doctor?

[Patridam]

It's either for Bill or Hillary. Both look to be in less than optimum health for sure. However, in most of the shots where this concierge doctor is seen next to Hillary, Bill is nowhere to be seen.

And what proof do you have that that guy is a doctor?

He's not a regular SS agent: https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/76 ... 12/photo/1
And he was with the Clintons as Hillary came home from the hospital for her blood clot: https://i.sli.mg/KD00bY.jpg, http://i2.wp.com/www.dangerandplay.com/ ... =550%2C423
And he seems to have been identified as well: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 ... unola-m-d/

[Dahon]

Except he's missed the filing deadline in about two dozen states. In Utah, though, he could make a difference.

As long as he helps in sucking votes off Trump so he loses by a landslide it's all good.

[The United Territories of Providence]

Back in January, Bob Dole warned of "cataclysmic losses" if Ted Cruz were the nominee. Saying that Donald Trump would fare better, so much for that. Why did the Republican party have to take advice from one of our loser candidates?

he was probably right about ted cruz.

god willing we will never find out for sure.

2020. The top 5 candidates... Ted Cruz, Mike Pence, Marco Rubio, Tom Cotton...Paul Ryan?

[Eol Sha]

And what proof do you have that that guy is a doctor?

He's not a regular SS agent: https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/76 ... 12/photo/1
And he was with the Clintons as Hillary came home from the hospital for her blood clot: https://i.sli.mg/KD00bY.jpg, http://i2.wp.com/www.dangerandplay.com/ ... =550%2C423
And he seems to have been identified as well: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 ... unola-m-d/

And why should I just believe what these people say?

[The United Territories of Providence]

This is the first I've heard of Clinton having epilepsy.

According to Snopes, the claim is false. http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-seizure-video/

That's not the "evidence" to which I was referring. This would be more relevant:
https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpre ... am-pen.jpg
https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpre ... m-pen1.jpg

There are two elderly Clintons. Bill has a hand tremor and is looking thin. If anyone needed medicine, it'd be him. But again, there's no evidence that the man is Hillary's guard, that he's carrying medicine, that the medicine is for Hillary, or that Hillary needs medicine.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

That's not the "evidence" to which I was referring. This would be more relevant:
https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpre ... am-pen.jpg
https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpre ... m-pen1.jpg

There are two elderly Clintons. Bill has a hand tremor and is looking thin. If anyone needed medicine, it'd be him. But again, there's no evidence that the man is Hillary's guard, that he's carrying medicine, that the medicine is for Hillary, or that Hillary needs medicine.

Exactly. And the saddest thing is, the desperation surrounding this attempt is almost palpable.

[The United Territories of Providence]

Time to update the poll, there's a new candidate in the race: Evan McMullin

Washington (CNN)Conservative Republicans have recruited a former CIA staffer and top House GOP aide to launch an independent White House bid -- and he could cause problems for Donald Trump in a key state if he gets on the ballot.

Evan McMullin opened his bid for the White House Monday morning, announcing on his website: "It's never too late to do the right thing. And if we work together, there's nothing we can't achieve.".

"Evan has spent his entire career in service to our nation and today he's continuing on that path as a candidate for president -- he is running first and foremost out of a deep love for this country, and because he understands the true brand of American leadership that is required to be Commander-in-Chief," McMullin's campaign wrote in a message to supporters.

McMullin, who had been the policy director for the House Republican Conference, is a longshot for the White House at best -- facing high hurdles in the form of ballot access deadlines that have already passed in many states -- but will offer anti-Trump conservatives an alternative to Trump and Clinton.

Realistically, this guy has no chance of winning the election. It's too late to get on the ballot in some states, much less get his name recognition high enough to be recognized by most independent voters or get any strong donors. However, he is a conservative alternative to a candidate with a lot of negatives and there is time for him to be on the ballot in enough states to steal away conservatives votes in November. Normally I'd say he has no chance to even be a spoiler, but this election is so oddball I wouldn't be surprised to wake up tomorrow and read that the Koch brothers decided to back McMullin purely to spite Trump.

I'm not updating the poll. If he enters the polling of a major firm and makes it on the ballot in enough states to get at least 270 electoral votes, I'll add him in the poll. Right now, he's just some guy. It'd be the same as adding you or me into the poll.

[Patridam]

There are two elderly Clintons. Bill has a hand tremor and is looking thin. If anyone needed medicine, it'd be him. But again, there's no evidence that the man is Hillary's guard, that he's carrying medicine, that the medicine is for Hillary, or that Hillary needs medicine.

Exactly. And the saddest thing is, the desperation surrounding this attempt is almost palpable.

I don't want or need your pity. I gave this example as a half joking question, right next to the much much less founded claim that Trump has dementia, and asked how fit Johnson currently is. It was the onslaught of people demanding sixteen cited sources on it that made this turn ugly, and you're certainly not helping the situation with your contemptuous attitude.

[Eol Sha]

Exactly. And the saddest thing is, the desperation surrounding this attempt is almost palpable.

I don't want or need your pity. I gave this example as a half joking question, right next to the much much less founded claim that Trump has dementia, and asked how fit Johnson currently is. It was the onslaught of people demanding sixteen cited sources on it that made this turn ugly, and you're certainly not helping the situation with your contemptuous attitude.

If I'd known that then i wouldn't have kept discussing this ridiculous...thing.

[Patridam]

I don't want or need your pity. I gave this example as a half joking question, right next to the much much less founded claim that Trump has dementia, and asked how fit Johnson currently is. It was the onslaught of people demanding sixteen cited sources on it that made this turn ugly, and you're certainly not helping the situation with your contemptuous attitude.

If I'd known that then i wouldn't have kept discussing this ridiculous...thing.

The evidence doesn't stand up to any sort of burden of proof (though burdens against Hillary seem to be higher than normal), and even if it did she'd hardly be the first president with a medical condition, so it's hardly something to disqualify her or even not to vote for her (there are much better reasons out there not to vote for Clinton than a possible medical condition).

I do find it troubling though that I was jumped on by a pack of angry wolves for the Clinton part of my statement but meanwhile no one bats an eye at the equally if not moreso unfounded claims directed at Trump's mental health.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

If I'd known that then i wouldn't have kept discussing this ridiculous...thing.

The evidence doesn't stand up to any sort of burden of proof (though burdens against Hillary seem to be higher than normal), and even if it did she'd hardly be the first president with a medical condition, so it's hardly something to disqualify her or even not to vote for her (there are much better reasons out there not to vote for Clinton than a possible medical condition).

I do find it troubling though that I was jumped on by a pack of angry wolves for the Clinton part of my statement but meanwhile no one bats an eye at the equally if not moreso unfounded claims directed at Trump's mental health.

The sad thing about Trump (one of countless things) is that conservatives are questioning out loud his mental health.

He “appears haunted by multiple personality disorders,” conservative David Brooks wrote last week in the New York Times.

“We can gloss over it, laugh about it, analyze it, but Donald Trump is not a well man,” Stuart Stevens, chief strategist to Mitt Romney’s 2012 campaign, wrote last week on Twitter.

Source: https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/07/31/is-donald-trump-ok-erratic-behaviour-raises-mental-health-questions.html

Obviously none of this is medical, but it obviously raises salient questions and shows that his behaviour truly is seen as questionable and "not normal" by people who would otherwise support Republicans.

[Corrian]

Jesus, I check out of curiosity and a joke and Clinton's chances to win still went up another 1%.

[The United Territories of Providence]

If I'd known that then i wouldn't have kept discussing this ridiculous...thing.

The evidence doesn't stand up to any sort of burden of proof (though burdens against Hillary seem to be higher than normal), and even if it did she'd hardly be the first president with a medical condition, so it's hardly something to disqualify her or even not to vote for her (there are much better reasons out there not to vote for Clinton than a possible medical condition).

I do find it troubling though that I was jumped on by a pack of angry wolves for the Clinton part of my statement but meanwhile no one bats an eye at the equally if not moreso unfounded claims directed at Trump's mental health.

Because his public statements suggest the existence of some kind of problem. Maybe there wouldn't be so much speculation, if his "doctor's note" wasn't full of typos and didn't include the phrase "healthiest individual to ever run for President" which makes it sound..unreal. Which wouldn't be unheard of, given his history of making up characters to make himself look good. For example, John Miller, John Baron, and he created a fake company in New Hampshire called "Sterling Draper".

Most, normal people, don't make a public statement...several times...then pretend they didn't say it. Most normal individuals don't say one thing in one speech, forget they said it on a TV interview, say a different thing on twitter, and then finally settle on an opinion later that day. Most normal people don't make up videos, say the videos are fake, and then give speeches about what they saw in the videos. Most normal people don't make up lies about receiving letters and phone calls. Most normal people....you see where I'm going? These claims aren't unfounded, at least not like "here's a grainy photo of a black guy in a suit with something in his hand...therefore Clinton is sick".

I find it troubling that you think the claims against Donald are as baseless as the claims against Clinton.

[Ashmoria]

why wouldn't it be for himself?

That's like seeing a mailman on the job carrying mail and assuming it's his own mail he's taking home rather than mail he has to deliver for his goddamn job.

if the mailman has one letter that he puts into his pocket, I would think it was his.

[Ashmoria]

yeah

I would think that if Mrs Clinton needed an antiseizure pen she would keep it in her purse next to her bottle of hot sauce.

She doesn't carry a purse usually, AFAIK.
And even if she did, why would she have it stuffed down in there and difficult to get to in a pinch, when you have a concierge doctor with you 24/7 who can carry it and is much more capable of using it?

she has to put her hotsauce somewhere.

[Nariterrr]

Conservatives go to so such lengths to call Hillary a sociopath

[Eol Sha]

The evidence doesn't stand up to any sort of burden of proof (though burdens against Hillary seem to be higher than normal), and even if it did she'd hardly be the first president with a medical condition, so it's hardly something to disqualify her or even not to vote for her (there are much better reasons out there not to vote for Clinton than a possible medical condition).

I do find it troubling though that I was jumped on by a pack of angry wolves for the Clinton part of my statement but meanwhile no one bats an eye at the equally if not moreso unfounded claims directed at Trump's mental health.

The sad thing about Trump (one of countless things) is that conservatives are questioning out loud his mental health.

He “appears haunted by multiple personality disorders,” conservative David Brooks wrote last week in the New York Times.

“We can gloss over it, laugh about it, analyze it, but Donald Trump is not a well man,” Stuart Stevens, chief strategist to Mitt Romney’s 2012 campaign, wrote last week on Twitter.

Source: https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/07/31/is-donald-trump-ok-erratic-behaviour-raises-mental-health-questions.html

Obviously none of this is medical, but it obviously raises salient questions and shows that his behaviour truly is seen as questionable and "not normal" by people who would otherwise support Republicans.

Just a note, but I think David Brooks works for the Clintons now.

[Ashmoria]

There are two elderly Clintons. Bill has a hand tremor and is looking thin. If anyone needed medicine, it'd be him. But again, there's no evidence that the man is Hillary's guard, that he's carrying medicine, that the medicine is for Hillary, or that Hillary needs medicine.

Exactly. And the saddest thing is, the desperation surrounding this attempt is almost palpable.

it is so pathetic. they have so little to dis Hillary Clinton over that they are making shit up.

she had a stroke, she said she had a short circuit in her brain, she said she was going to raise taxes on the middle class, she had something to do with the death of that guy who was going to sue the DNC.

isn't there anything TRUE they can go with?

[Patridam]

and he created a fake company in New Hampshire called "Sterling Draper".

I'm going to ignore the rest of your post, because it doesn't provide anything resembling real evidence, just observations and personal opinions on the implications of behavior, alongside a healthy does of pro-clinton bias. But this bit... I just want to give Trump a congrats for making a Mad Men reference in the name of his fake ad agency. He may as well name a fake law firm Dewey, Cheatem & Howe.